Very well said.
We need the public behind us, or we will lose.
Plain and simple.
And the public starts with your family...
Your co-workers...
Your friends...
And sometimes, if you have it in you, the people you pass by on the street.
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We need the public behind us, or we will lose.
Plain and simple.
And the public starts with your family...
Your co-workers...
Your friends...
And sometimes, if you have it in you, the people you pass by on the street.
Well, I have prepared by having 75 atomizers and generic battery APVs.
And I think I can continue to get my favorite juice (Dekang DK-TAB) from China no matter what they do.
But rather than prepare, I'd rather fight, and win...
1) Join CASAA
2) Donate to CASAA if you can
3) Educate yourself
4) Educate others
5) Grow our numbers
I think I missed the part about underwear and profit.
(You Southpark fans will understand that reference)
The thing is, so many people just want to roll over and let them screw us.
They think there is nothing we can do.
But we HAVE been doing things...
We HAVE been winning...
And we can get stronger every day.
Exactly.... vape publicly, and let people know what you're doing and why you're doing it. I actually get ...... when people stealth vape and tell others to stealth vape. Yes, I'll go into a bathroom at a wake or something, but otherwise..... we NEED to vape openly so that "the public" sees it, smells it, and knows what it is. Seeing something first hand and hearing the story from someone you know is more influential than some twit they're going to read online or see on the news.
I think that all we can do is educate people on not only the science behind e-cigs and vaping, but safe vendors (in the future) that have no connection to big tobacco.
Thank you all for the info. I live in a county that has the health dept trying to ban ecigs everywhere you can't smoke. So far, this county hasn't adopted it but the neighboring county (where I work) banned them over a year ago. Guess who got that pushed through? the Health Dept, what a joke as they obviously don't care about health. Health Departments have more political control than many people realize.
Absolutely. I always have folks at work asking about my SD, and the juices. There are only 2 other people there that use a PV, but neither is educated to any degree on what they are using. A lot of the folks I have talked with have tried the disposables and the gas station specials, discovered they got ripped and write off vaping. It is a real eye opener when I can put more vapor in their face than they can put smoke in mine (and mine smells better too). Most of the younger folks I work with are very interested in my flavors like Mtn. Dew, Monster, have some people that want to try the Bacon. I am always passing the SD around, letting people handle it, try it. There is not much else I can do to help.
In a recent news story here in Britain, some bloody idiot called the police after some poor young man was vaping on a bus and told them he had a bomb, thereby triggering a half million dollar anti-terrorism response. The BBC actually asked the ECF owner to represent the vapers and give his opinion.
BBC News - Fake cigarette caused M6 police Megabus coach swoop
He's British, I think, though. So I doubt he'd be able to perform the role that Americans need right now. But it just goes to show, that if this all comes down, a responsible media will certainly help, or whoever it is will need to develop a relationship with the media.
The government department that oversees healthcare here isn't like that. I think, at the end of the day, the real crux of the issue is lobbying legislation. Here it is quite strict. Politicians and officials need to be made to declare their interests so that they are never put on committees or in departments which would make them have a conflict of interests. Also, 'gifts' have to be declared. Here anything over £50, I think that is given as a gift can't be kept.
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"Wow!, Reynolds is coming out with their own ecig?...that blows my effin mind.
So if they can't stop us, theyre going to join us?..... is this somehow not a 'good' thing? ..sorry , late at nite right now, and i'm a little loopy.
But wouldnt that mean, they won't be pushing for a ban anymore in north america?
So if they can't stop us, theyre going to join us?..... is this somehow not a 'good' thing? ..sorry , late at nite right now, and i'm a little loopy.
But wouldnt that mean, they won't be pushing for a ban anymore in north america?
If I remember correctly, it's already available in some area of N.C. I personally do not see this is a good thing. I don't see vaping being attached to Big Tobacco as being desirable. People wanting to quit smoking are trying to get away from Big Tobacco, so it could easily be a turn off for them. People who are fighting against vaping will want to attach us to Big Tobacco even more now . Reynolds is working on making their Vcig taste more like their analogs, which means adding more chemicals found in analogs to it. What's to stop them from eventually banning what we have now, and telling us we can only buy their product?
On a more positive note this morning, I just read that WE WON in MA!! For those of you who might not know it, MA law makers were tryiing to pass a bill where they would be able to put a HUGE tax on anythiing and everything dealing with vaping! That would have been akin to paying the same huge tax they have on analogs to ashtrays and cigarette lighters! But WE, as vapers, standing TOGETHER have been able to put the quatias on that!
YAY US!!
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wow, this is A VERY INTERESTING thread. One of theee most newsworthy ones i've ever read', thats for sure. I usually dont come into these, because they usually are pretty serious..and being serious, is incredibly hard for me'....but when i heard that about Reynolds, i dam near vaped my coffee'..... and i definitely see what your saying Kay...
If I remember correctly, it's already available in some area of N.C. I personally do not see this is a good thing. I don't see vaping being attached to Big Tobacco as being desirable. People wanting to quit smoking are trying to get away from Big Tobacco, so it could easily be a turn off for them. People who are fighting against vaping will want to attach us to Big Tobacco even more now . Reynolds is working on making their Vcig taste more like their analogs, which means adding more chemicals found in analogs to it. What's to stop them from eventually banning what we have now, and telling us we can only buy their product?
On a more positive note this morning, I just read that WE WON in MA!! For those of you who might not know it, MA law makers were tryiing to pass a bill where they would be able to put a HUGE tax on anythiing and everything dealing with vaping! That would have been akin to paying the same huge tax they have on analogs to ashtrays and cigarette lighters! But WE, as vapers, standing TOGETHER have been able to put the quatias on that!
YAY US!!
Yeah, I understand completely!
Some threads like this get into stuff that I don't understand, and it's alittle 'over my head'? I guess. Or maybe I get info-overload? I don't know, but they get too difficult for me to understand, so I just move on.
For anyone interested, I'm posting a link to a website I've recently found. It has alot of good info on it, and she seems to present her topics in an unbiased way. She also seems to post regularly.
ECigarette News - eCig One
ECigarette News - eCig One
Agree.
However, having deep pockets, when you have issues that may be litigated, and over a long period of time, can be an alliance that may come in handy?
I try to think practical rather than emotional. I don't like the connection to them, but I doubt vaporers are a big enough lobby group or PAC to raise the sheer gobs of money that might be required to fight anti-vaping efforts.
This is the BIGGEST news on ECF since the win in Hawaii. I'm SO HAPPY for everyone in MA! Thank goodness there seems to be some shred of commonsense somewhere. How did it happen? Because we all need to do it again and again. And ESPECIALLY right now in election year where the politicians are out to win votes. And that includes ours. PS Can't swear to this but I heard that Hawaii got through it because the speaker of the house is (WHAT?!) a vaper! lol. Aha! Anyone on the forum want to run for office? We'll all vote for you! Very good thread. I keep hearing that the FDA is going to make a declaration "this summer" but anyone know when or if?
On a more positive note this morning, I just read that WE WON in MA!! For those of you who might not know it, MA law makers were tryiing to pass a bill where they would be able to put a HUGE tax on anythiing and everything dealing with vaping! That would have been akin to paying the same huge tax they have on analogs to ashtrays and cigarette lighters! But WE, as vapers, standing TOGETHER have been able to put the quatias on that!
YAY US!!
"Those in MA should consider thanking the Majority Leader of the MA House, as he has apparently made some sort of 'no new taxes' pledge." Also, there are places on this forum where CASAA posts 'Call to Action' reports. We do what we can by emailing, making phone calls, and writing letters to the goverment officials involved. When we can, we show up at our local goverment meetings, when they are discussing and deciding such things. That's wonderful about Hawaii!! Sounds like we need to work on converting more goverment officials to vaping! I'm sure alot of them smoke just like us 'plain ole folks'.
I haven't heard about the FDA making any declarations this Summer. I'll have to google that and see what I can find out.
I'm sure alot of them smoke just like us 'plain ole folks'.I haven't heard about the FDA making any declarations this Summer. I'll have to google that and see what I can find out.
I did find where they are supposed to have some report out this Summer. According to what I read, they will post in the 'Federal Register' their findings and declarations. As of yet, I see no such reports on the Federal Register. Here's a link to the Federal Register.
https://www.federalregister.gov/art...6/2012&conditions[term]=electronic+cigarettes
I also found where they are asking anyone who has had an ADVERSE reaction to ecigs to please contact them! Now there's an unbiased report if I ever did see one!
Edited to add: Perhaps what we should all do is click to report an adverse reactiion, and then state something like....'HELP! I want to report a major problem with these ecigs! They made me quit smoking! They cleared up my lungs! They made me breathe better! They made me smell better! They saved me money! My teeth are better now! My gums are healthier now! They...etc etc....(you get the idea) After all....we can't have THAT now, can we?
https://www.federalregister.gov/art...6/2012&conditions[term]=electronic+cigarettes
I also found where they are asking anyone who has had an ADVERSE reaction to ecigs to please contact them! Now there's an unbiased report if I ever did see one!
Edited to add: Perhaps what we should all do is click to report an adverse reactiion, and then state something like....'HELP! I want to report a major problem with these ecigs! They made me quit smoking! They cleared up my lungs! They made me breathe better! They made me smell better! They saved me money! My teeth are better now! My gums are healthier now! They...etc etc....(you get the idea) After all....we can't have THAT now, can we?
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I also found where they are asking anyone who has had an ADVERSE reaction to ecigs to please contact them! Now there's an unbiased report if I ever did see one!
Edited to add: Perhaps what we should all do is click to report an adverse reactiion, and then state something like....'HELP! I want to report a major problem with these ecigs! They made me quit smoking! They cleared up my lungs! They made me breathe better! They made me smell better! They saved me money! My teeth are better now! My gums are healthier now! They...etc etc....(you get the idea) After all....we can't have THAT now, can we?
Want to be careful with this, they could just as easily use this to restrict the sales as they would medical equipment. That would mean we would lose most of out suppliers, and the nic juice would have to be mad by BP. I think just chiming in to say there are no adverse effects would do us better.
I was just joking about posting on the adverse reaction thing. I wouldn't really DO it, just tempting sometimes. The reason I'm here posting on this thread again is to let everyone know that the KY Vapemeet went on without a hitch! And it looks like they converted the DJ who was broadcasting the vapemeet, and her husband too! She has posted in the New Members forum today. 
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