the lesser of 2 evils

[CanIPlayWithMadness]

have we all really stopped smoking or is it just a fad ?
first let me start by saying that im sure many of us are aware smoking is an evil and extremely addictive habit
and
being relatively new to vaping and off reg cigs for 50 days now I wanted to learn as much about ecigs as I could so I have spent a lot of time reading every article on the web I could find and also different sections of several forums in reguards to various different topics , from problems with ecigs
to possible side effects and so on and so on and so on, the goods the bads , and since there really are no solid long term studies avail on these items are we really
stopping smoking ?? or are we just smoking something else ? its certainly clear that both smoking real cigs and vaping both come complete with their own set of related issues ,as does anything else , I personally know people that have smoked and vaped and they claimed
they felt no different health wise at all , I also know people that smoked tried vaping saw no personal benefits in vaping and went back to smoking...... so clearly both smoking and vaping have their own pros and cons .
so what are we really doing are we stopping smoking or are we just smoking something else instead ?
and are we destined to return to Cigs in the end ???
in all the people I know that have tried vaping and I know many that have tried I can honestly say its been a 50/50 failure/ success rate from what ive seen.
now lets be honest cigs are extremely addictive
several issues ive heard about from friends that have tried vaping but returned to reg smoking
burning throat
dry mouth
heavy feeling in lungs
shortness of breath
acne issues
PG sensitivity
burning nazel passages and congestion

one of my friends said it felt like I was taking a medication with nagging daily side effects vaping that never really went away
so it just wasnt worth it
smoking reg cigs didn't do any of that to me on a daily basis ....so he went back to smoking . and he was vaping and off cigs for 16 weeks .he returned to cigs just this past week and stopped vaping , because he said vaping just wasn't fun anymore and wasn't worth the way he was feeling and now he says he feels fine
now we all know vaping and ecigs use are just like anything else they aren't for everyone

I did recently read an article that was a 2 year study of 500 participants all smokers that were put on ecigs
and over 80% reported failure and returned to smoking so
the question is are we all just looking at ecigs as the lesser of 2 evils for the moment ? because its a popular fad
and someday will we all most likely return to cigs ?
and does anyone really know of anyone that has been successful at stopping smoking cigs and vaping and now do neither ???
also if the FDA or the government suddenly clamped down on ecig use would you return to smoking ?
are ecigs really the lesser of 2 evils and how do we know that for sure ??

any opinions welcomed .

E-Cig's are the lesser of two evils but, that is not to say that their evilness is similarly evil. Hehe. In other words, real cigarettes are far, far worse for you.

I only recently discovered this phenomenon known as vapor or E-cigs or whatever. I'm on my second disposable. The first was V2 for $5 bucks and the second is PureSmoke for $10. In this case, you definitely DO get what you pay for because the PureSmoke one is twice as good, at least.

I do plan on upgrading to something with more power soon but there are so many options that it makes my head spin. Hopefully, i'll have a complete reusable system soon.

Edit: Oh and I do hope to be smoke/Nicotine free sometime in the semi-near future.

 

[Jman8]

ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement , if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

You could've gone with "I'm hurting everyday." And then considered responses from fellow vapers to hopefully ease your pain.

 

[Skinr1]

Have you tried PG free?

Sounds like PG allergy to me!



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yes sir and the 100% VG after a few days left a groose filmy oily taste in my mouth since you ask oh and gave me an upset stomach , i stoped that right away and threw it away

 

[Skinr1]

You could've gone with "I'm hurting everyday." And then considered responses from fellow vapers to hopefully ease your pain.

ok that's a good suggestion , however i doubt that mere words on a board is gonna ease a burning throat or blood running down my face
boss . yes again i openly admit the transition from smoking to vaping has been a hard and painful experience . it really has .
i often ask myself is this really working for me , as i watch others around me fail , and im sitting here talking to 1 and i catch a nose bleed or my throat is raspy cause its so raw and they are telling me man your stupid to keep going through that and sounding like that ........ but i keep trying ......yeah its been hard real hard .

 

[EddardinWinter]

How about 100% PG? I know VG allergy is even more rare than PG, but it does happen.



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[Huckleberried]

ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement ,some things im feeling i have read posts from others that say oh it will go away well its not .... if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

Maybe you posted and I missed that part, but what is your nic strength?

A friend of mine quit smoking cold turkey and experienced mouth sores for months. I've been vaping since mid July and have not had that. Well once, for one day and that was from a peppermint liquid I got. Didn't use it anymore and the sores went away the next day. The chickie at the vape shop I go to is experiencing that kind of thing for a while now. My nic strength has gone from 24 to 12 in this time frame,, for me that's made a difference in throat hit. My mouth hurt WAY more and had sores when I smoked. My throat ALWAYS hurt. Since vaping, not at all. The craziest thing about all this is that I used to say I loved smoking??? I had a nosebleed the other day. It's gotten colder out, my heat is on, and it dawned on me I got a nosebleed last year when I turned my heat on.

When I think about lighting a cigarette, taking a puff, remembering how that tasted...... gross. What's worse? Thinking about stubbing out a cigarette. To me that seems disgusting now. Can I say I'll never smoke again? No. I know that today I don't want to. I also don't have to. I love that part. I haven't had to smoke a cigarette in 90 days now! Wahooooooo!

Is it possible that you could be experiencing the effects of stopping smoking? I'm curious, seriously. I know we have different experiences when we stop smoking, so it just popped into my mind. Maybe someone can answer that question.

 

[Skinr1]

yes the 100% PG the throat hit vas very harsh could handle it made me gag Bad

 

[EddardinWinter]

yes the 100% PG the throat hit vas very harsh could handle it made me gag Bad

Okay, you experimented with any WTA's. If your symptoms are withdrawal from smoking as suggested astutely by Huckleberried, WTAs have been known to help. Might be worth a shot.

 

[Skinr1]

WTA ?
definition please

 

[Uma]

ok that's a good suggestion , however i doubt that mere words on a board is gonna ease a burning throat or blood running down my face
boss . yes again i openly admit the transition from smoking to vaping has been a hard and painful experience . it really has .
i often ask myself is this really working for me , as i watch others around me fail , and im sitting here talking to 1 and i catch a nose bleed or my throat is raspy cause its so raw and they are telling me man your stupid to keep going through that and sounding like that ........ but i keep trying ......yeah its been hard real hard .

Have you stopped smoking completely or slowed way down? It's been mentioned that sometimes smoking hides a myriad of symptoms we become aware of once the mask is tossed. Your symptoms might be something to ask your Doc about. Especially the bloody nose.

To help, we'd need full report.
battery
atomizer/cart/clear used
mg strength
vg or pg or mix ratio
flavors
volt
resistance
Other

 

[Skinr1]

Maybe you posted and I missed that part, but what is your nic strength?

A friend of mine quit smoking cold turkey and experienced mouth sores for months. I've been vaping since mid July and have not had that. Well once, for one day and that was from a peppermint liquid I got. Didn't use it anymore and the sores went away the next day. The chickie at the vape shop I go to is experiencing that kind of thing for a while now. My nic strength has gone from 24 to 12 in this time frame,, for me that's made a difference in throat hit. My mouth hurt WAY more and had sores when I smoked. My throat ALWAYS hurt. Since vaping, not at all. The craziest thing about all this is that I used to say I loved smoking??? I had a nosebleed the other day. It's gotten colder out, my heat is on, and it dawned on me I got a nosebleed last year when I turned my heat on.

When I think about lighting a cigarette, taking a puff, remembering how that tasted...... gross. What's worse? Thinking about stubbing out a cigarette. To me that seems disgusting now. Can I say I'll never smoke again? No. I know that today I don't want to. I also don't have to. I love that part. I haven't had to smoke a cigarette in 90 days now! Wahooooooo!

Is it possible that you could be experiencing the effects of stopping smoking? I'm curious, seriously. I know we have different experiences when we stop smoking, so it just popped into my mind. Maybe someone can answer that question.

started at 24mg ....to harsh
went to 18mg ........ still to harsh
dropped to 12mg ....still harsh but better
tried 8mg ........way better but lost a lot of throat hit ........which i found odd because i did all this buying liquids from the same dealer .i need that throat hit

 

[EddardinWinter]

WTA ?
definition please

I keep doing that to you. Sorry.


Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.

 

[Skinr1]

pro tank 2
ego twist
2.5 atomizer
12mg nic.............kinda hurts the throat though
PG 60%
VG 40%
have tried 100% of each found both had draw back at that ratio
flavor ......... Miami vice ....strawberry coconut
volt 3.2-3.5

does that help ?

went in for my annual physical recently cause i am 48 so i get 1 every 9 mo. drained 2 gallons of blood like they always do ...... found nothing im fine but of course gave me the buissness about a touch bit of high cholesterol .

 

[phorumph]

several issues ive heard about from friends that have tried vaping but returned to reg smoking
burning throat
dry mouth
heavy feeling in lungs
burning nazel passages and congestion

I also experienced the above, but they tend to go away by themselves or by changing the coil/wick/power. Your body adjusts to vape as it did to smoking. I vividly remember on my second ever cigarette, some of my friends told me to take a deep inhale. I did that and passed out as expected. That cigarette was the lightest you could find. Fast forward 5 year later and I was 3 PAD smoker of Viceroy (at the age of 17, now just thinking of it makes me punch myself in the face). Fast forward another 15 years and find a heavy consumer of hand rolled tobacco. If the human body can take that, it surely can take some vapor (unless one is allergic to both PG and VG, don't know these details).

There is this second part of quitting smoking and the most important: the motivation. If you don't have a good motivation you might as well not quit at all. I had no issues with smoking, I had no medical condition, but what motivated me was my daughter and my far future grandkids. I suddenly realized that I do want those extra years at the end

If one has the motivation, one will make vaping work for him/her as it's the best replacement of the real thing. If there is no motivation, any small detail will make one go back.

As for the long term effects, I doubt there will be any fatal ones. If there was any relevant amount of a fatal substance inside I am sure the product would have been banned long time ago. That's my own speculation of course.

 

[blondeambition3]

ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement ,some things im feeling i have read posts from others that say oh it will go away well its not .... if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

This post disturbs me profoundly Skinr1! The symptoms you're describing just don't sound right to me on any level!
I recommend you make it a priority to get to the root of what's happening with you physically.

Sincerely, you need to take care of this.
You'll be in my thoughts and prayers .... sending comfort your way.

 

[Huckleberried]

Losing the throat hit..... yeah someone told me the lower your nic, the less throat hit. The guy I order liquid from has the option to add throat hit in 3 different strengths. I add a throat hit. It helps. But if you have a sore throat, I might try to get used to not having throat hit for a while, see how you feel, then progress (or not) from there. Just a thought.

 

[Skinr1]

I also experienced the above, but they tend to go away by themselves or by changing the coil/wick/power. Your body adjusts to vape as it did to smoking. I vividly remember on my second ever cigarette, some of my friends told me to take a deep inhale. I did that and passed out as expected. That cigarette was the lightest you could find. Fast forward 5 year later and I was 3 PAD smoker of Viceroy (at the age of 17, now just thinking of it makes me punch myself in the face). Fast forward another 15 years and find a heavy consumer of hand rolled tobacco. If the human body can take that, it surely can take some vapor (unless one is allergic to both PG and VG, don't know these details).

There is this second part of quitting smoking and the most important: the motivation. If you don't have a good motivation you might as well not quit at all. I had no issues with smoking, I had no medical condition, but what motivated me was my daughter and my far future grandkids. I suddenly realized that I do want those extra years at the end

If one has the motivation, one will make vaping work for him/her as it's the best replacement of the real thing. If there is no motivation, any small detail will make one go back.

As for the long term effects, I doubt there will be any fatal ones. If there was any relevant amount of a fatal substance inside I am sure the product would have been banned long time ago. That's my own speculation of course.

i understand what your talking about , and as i said i am still experimenting and haven't found the perfect vape like ive heard it called
whatever im doing wrong id love to know what it is because im having the hardest time finding
and honestly i did start this to help me put the cigs down and i did 50+ days ago but i can honestly say i have had more bad days then good doing this ............ i keep hearing everyone say it will go away man just wait it will go away ....
ok here i am again 50+ days after the fact can i get a time frame as to when the hurt will go away ?

 

[Myk]

ok let me respond to this so you guys aren't confused , i define evil or use the term " lesser there of " about anything that causes me pain or discomfort in some way .
now keeping in mind many of you vets on ecf have prob found the perfect vape i have seen it called but i haven't , some of the stuff i have used has burned my throat , gave me nose bleeds , tore my mouth up etc etc im still experimenting ....hence making it hard and discouraging and well skeptical .

Are you kidding? I've probably had Ulcerative Colitis since I was 9 months old, at least since I was 14.
It wasn't the cause (in fact a flare was the cause of me quitting) but as soon as I quit I got bad enough to get diagnosed for the first time in my life. 50-35 years of UC (35 while smoking), it was just my life. 2 months of vaping and I was in the ER. I have $500 medicine bills on a light month and I go to doctors at least 6 times a year.

It may not be sane but I could easily blame vaping for UC and use that as an excuse to go back to smoking.

ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement ,some things im feeling i have read posts from others that say oh it will go away well its not .... if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

Your mouth shouldn't be raw, at all. Throat could be sore if you're getting dry hits, it doesn't take much of a dry hit to give me a sore throat.
My first thought would be PG problem. Maybe no drinking enough liquid (I hate when people claim it has to be water, like your body can't filter water out of other things).

Really don't know what you've tried to offer suggestions.

"Is Reduced Risk Increasing My Risks?"?

yes sir and the 100% VG after a few days left a groose filmy oily taste in my mouth since you ask oh and gave me an upset stomach , i stoped that right away and threw it away

Have you tried VG free?
But if it came down to raw throat and mouth with a bloody nose vs an oily film in my mouth with an upset stomach I know which one I'd be trying to stick with.

Did you ever consider that it could be mental? (Not so much the physical manifestations of PG but the thoughts of VG. VG is not oil.)
When I first started in '09 I had issues trusting vaping Chinese liquid (turns out I also had PG issues which helped me feel bad which fed the anxiety).

started at 24mg ....to harsh
went to 18mg ........ still to harsh
dropped to 12mg ....still harsh but better
tried 8mg ........way better but lost a lot of throat hit ........which i found odd because i did all this buying liquids from the same dealer .i need that throat hit

You don't need the throat hit as much as you think you do.
I went to 0mg and that was the first I ever understood someone wanting throat hit. I got used to it.
I tried 18mg flavorless. It was less than the 0mg flavored. I got used to it.

You say the same dealer. Have you tried different brands? (And why are we having to pry information out of you? Offer up everything, things you've tried, things you use, brands, everything. That way we're not wasting our time suggesting something only to be shot down.)

 

[Anjaffm]

Originally Posted by Skinr1
ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement ,some things im feeling i have read posts from others that say oh it will go away well its not .... if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

That sounds very worrying!
I would recommend seeing an ear-nose-and-throat doctor as soon as possible. A general practitioner is not specialized in such things.
Those symptoms do not sound good at all.
Smoking cessation can have several nasty side effects. Not vaping. But smoking cessation.
Allergies to PG do happen and make the throat feel bad, but they are not known to cause nosebleeds.
Those symptoms sound horrible -and cannot be treated by laymen / laywomen in a forum, however much we may know about vaping as such.
Please go see a doctor who specializes in that region of the body.

I wish you all the best!

 

[Skinr1]

This post disturbs me profoundly Skinr1! The symptoms you're describing just don't sound right to me on any level!
I recommend you make it a priority to get to the root of what's happening with you physically.

Sincerely, you need to take care of this.
You'll be in my thoughts and prayers .... sending comfort your way.

i have been checked recently , during my physical they sucked blood out of me did this test that test allergy test several cancer tests found nothing ........ im 6ft 235 pds i don't really suffer from anything other then maybe alittle high cholesterol and over worksyndrome .............. and well maybe some high stress because of my work schedule but as for physically im fine
according to the tests .