the lesser of 2 evils

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Myk

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pro tank 2
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2.5 atomizer
12mg nic.............kinda hurts the throat though
PG 60%
VG 40%
have tried 100% of each found both had draw back at that ratio
flavor ......... Miami vice ....strawberry coconut
volt 3.2-3.5

does that help ?

went in for my annual physical recently cause i am 48 so i get 1 every 9 mo. drained 2 gallons of blood like they always do ...... found nothing im fine but of course gave me the buissness about a touch bit of high cholesterol .


I'm not sure about the PT2. Does it have a "flavor wick"? Have you tried pulling some strands out of it?
Your volts aren't too high. That's something else I would've suggested.

Try a different brand of liquid. I would jump to high end, Johnson Creek and Virgin Vapor. (I have no idea what you're vaping even with those flavors given.)
 

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That sounds very worrying!
I would recommend seeing an ear-nose-and-throat doctor as soon as possible. A general practitioner is not specialized in such things.
Those symptoms do not sound good at all.
Smoking cessation can have several nasty side effects. Not vaping. But smoking cessation.
Allergies to PG do happen and make the throat feel bad, but they are not known to cause nosebleeds.
Those symptoms sound horrible -and cannot be treated by laymen / laywomen in a forum, however much we may know about vaping as such.
Please go see a doctor who specializes in that region of the body.

I wish you all the best!

Yes! Exactly what Anjfaffm said! :thumbs:
 
Well peer pressure definitely played a part for me making the switch. A friend at work got the blu ecig, and was talking about how great it was. After he badgered me about it for like a month, and upgraded to an elite 808, I decided to take the plunge. I picked up a njoy king at the corner store and was amazed at how much I enjoyed it. I then decided to pick up the Finiti kit, because I wanted it to look like a cigarette (I know, right?). Well that crapped out after like 3 weeks, so I ordered an ego battery, a protank, and 2 EVODs from eBay, and juice from mbv. I'm so satisfied with the change, and really feel like it has saved my life, or at least added many years to it. I'm now waiting on my innokin SVD to arrive from China, and a couple kayfun clones. That friend at work has a vamo V4 now, and we are just trying to 1 up each other at this point lol. For some, if may be a passing trend, we have another friend who went back to cigs, but for me and my buddy at work, we're set. He's 90 days in, and I'm 60. We were both pack a day smokers too.

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i have been checked recently , during my physical they sucked blood out of me did this test that test allergy test several cancer tests found nothing ........ im 6ft 235 pds i don't really suffer from anything other then maybe alittle high cholesterol and over worksyndrome .............. and well maybe some high stress because of my work schedule but as for physically im fine
according to the tests .

Your BODY is your best Friend, (and best detective regarding your Health) Skinr1... and from what you've been describing your body is having some problems that make me very worrisome. If you can, please seek more Medical testing, perhaps with a good ENT? (Ear/Nose/Throat) specialist.

I sincerely wish you all the best and will continue sending healing thoughts your way.:vapor:
 
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ok let me ask you all something ,
im hurting everyday , my mouth my throat is raw no matter how much liquids i consume , nose bleeds out of no where , i have been checked by a doctor ,
im feeling pain and discouragement ,some things im feeling i have read posts from others that say oh it will go away well its not .... if the proper title to this tread isn't " the lesser of 2 evils "
what should i have used ?

I'll jump right on that! How about: Need help with symptoms since I started vaping............or.......List of side effects from not smoking/starting vaping?

You would have gotten easily 20+ replies and pointed to threads where this topic has been discussed many times, without the issue of the wording.
 
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Are you kidding? I've probably had Ulcerative Colitis since I was 9 months old, at least since I was 14.
It wasn't the cause (in fact a flare was the cause of me quitting) but as soon as I quit I got bad enough to get diagnosed for the first time in my life. 50-35 years of UC (35 while smoking), it was just my life. 2 months of vaping and I was in the ER. I have $500 medicine bills on a light month and I go to doctors at least 6 times a year.

It may not be sane but I could easily blame vaping for UC and use that as an excuse to go back to smoking.




Your mouth shouldn't be raw, at all. Throat could be sore if you're getting dry hits, it doesn't take much of a dry hit to give me a sore throat.
My first thought would be PG problem. Maybe no drinking enough liquid (I hate when people claim it has to be water, like your body can't filter water out of other things).

Really don't know what you've tried to offer suggestions.

"Is Reduced Risk Increasing My Risks?"?



Have you tried VG free?
But if it came down to raw throat and mouth with a bloody nose vs an oily film in my mouth with an upset stomach I know which one I'd be trying to stick with.

Did you ever consider that it could be mental? (Not so much the physical manifestations of PG but the thoughts of VG. VG is not oil.)
When I first started in '09 I had issues trusting vaping Chinese liquid (turns out I also had PG issues which helped me feel bad which fed the anxiety).





You don't need the throat hit as much as you think you do.
I went to 0mg and that was the first I ever understood someone wanting throat hit. I got used to it.
I tried 18mg flavorless. It was less than the 0mg flavored. I got used to it.

You say the same dealer. Have you tried different brands? (And why are we having to pry information out of you? Offer up everything, things you've tried, things you use, brands, everything. That way we're not wasting our time suggesting something only to be shot down.)

i have told you everything ............ i have tried several different juices from several different dealers in the past 50+ days
several different flavors mainly the fruit stuff ....i found their versions of the tobacco blend to nutty and nasty

ummmm i have tried several different nic levels
i been to the doc and they poked and prodded and everything else , found my nazel passages to be irritated and inflamed , well duhhhhhh
gee i knew that ,sorry forgot that part and high cholesterol then my last physical
that's about it .
but the point is with all im going through and i do agree with what you said as far as the mental part .....is me going through all this worth it
my throat never hurt like this when i smoked i never got a nose bleed once when i smoked ever and all this stuff happened when i stopped smoking and started vaping i just cant figure out weather its the stopping that is causing this or the vaping or the mix or what it is
hence is why im having a hard time believe me its easy to be discouraged and skeptical when what you want to work isn't ...........im not sure what other info you could want or need before 50 or so days ago none of this was happening to me plus just a note : to add i have went over hundreds of posts from others and i still have to ask when does it all get easier and go away .
 
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i understand what your talking about , and as i said i am still experimenting and haven't found the perfect vape like ive heard it called
whatever im doing wrong id love to know what it is because im having the hardest time finding
and honestly i did start this to help me put the cigs down and i did 50+ days ago but i can honestly say i have had more bad days then good doing this ............ i keep hearing everyone say it will go away man just wait it will go away ....
ok here i am again 50+ days after the fact can i get a time frame as to when the hurt will go away ?

I didn't read the whole thread, sorry for that, still doing it, so I might mention stuff you already tried.

Me being closer to your day count, I can share some of my experiences. My nose is still congested by the way, waiting myself for that to go away. But it doesn't bother me too much. I don't blow vapor out of my nose though, as well as I didn't use to blow the cig smoke of my nose as well.

Setup: I can tell that you don't have enough power. 2.5 Ohm at 3.5 V is around 4.9 W. I couldn't vape anything below 6 W. I tried at first the recommended 5.2 W, it felt like I was inhaling exhaust gas from a car. So first try around 4.0-4.2 V see if that helps.

Flavors: There are some that I cannot vape at all, although some people appreciate them. They are simply physically hurting my mouth and throat. One of them is Pinacolada, which has coconut, an ingredient found in your juice as well. When I vape Pinacolada I feel my mouth and throat like they are on fire. I have Rum separately, that one is not the culprit. I don't have the pineapple though. The ones that I can vape all day are Hangsen RY4 and Liqua Berrymix. They don't produce any discomfort. Especially the berry mix, that one is a light soothing caress for throat. RY4 can scratch a bit sometimes.

Are you drinking something while vaping? I found that taking a sip of something after each inhale is good. I drink my coffee with milk and can tell that is much better to vape with than water, the throat irritation and overall mouth/throat feeling was better than with water.

The tank: Protank 2 has a airy inhale, it lets you drag a lot. I bought an Evod just to see how it is and I could see why some people preffer it. The draw is more tight and because you don't draw too much you get less irritated.

Nicotine level: I use 24 and 18. I bought all the rest lower strengths and tried a tank of each. Bad experience, on the 6mg I felt desperate and hopeless the whole day.

Inhalation: I am still keeping the mist in my mouth for a good 2-3 seconds before inhaling. Failing to do that would scratch my throat and sting my lungs. I never use the nostrils for exhale.

I will write the following at the end since it's a very new experience for me: just today I made a coil with cotton and my throat and lung discomforts are gone. Cannot yet believe myself, but I could vape till I literally was light headed. Couldn't do that before. Anything more than 3 inhales without water and I would run around screaming. Maybe you can find someone from the forum who lives close to you to send you a ready made kanger coil ready made with cotton wick. Really worth trying.

For reference I started with an eVic and protank 2. Later on I bought an evod and a CE4. Still using eVic and protank 2.
 
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i have told you everything ............ i have tried several different juices from several different dealers in the past 50+ days
several different flavors mainly the fruit stuff ....i found their versions of the tobacco blend to nutty and nasty

ummmm i have tried several different nic levels
i been to the doc and they poked and prodded and everything else , found my nazel passages to be irritated and inflamed , well duhhhhhh
gee i knew that ,sorry forgot that part and high cholesterol then my last physical
that's about it .
but the point is with all im going through and i do agree with what you said as far as the mental part .....is me going through all this worth it
my throat never hurt like this when i smoked i never got a nose bleed once when i smoked ever and all this stuff happened when i stopped smoking and started vaping i just cant figure out weather its the stopping that is causing this or the vaping or the mix or what it is
hence is why im having a hard time believe me its easy to be discouraged and skeptical when what you want to work isn't ...........im not sure what other info you could want or need before 50 or so days ago none of this was happening to me plus just a note : to add i have went over hundreds of posts from others and i still have to ask when does it all get easier and go away .

Only when we figure out what is causing these unusual symptoms. Have you tried having a cigarette a day to see if it is tobacco combustion withdrawal, rather than vaping side effects? If that helps you need some juice with WTAs (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids)

At this point, quitting smoking is not quite as urgent as dealing with the rather dramatic effects you are feeling.
 
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I don't know. I'm not a doc, but this could be what smoking did to us. Sooo, yeah. I don't wanna go back to that. The struggle and the hard part could pay off. But you could see a specialist and find out more maybe. Or you could smoke again. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with it. Truly. I'm about the same age, about the same length of time as a smoker, about 1 1/2 pad.
 

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Only when we figure out what is causing these unusual symptoms. Have you tried having a cigarette a day to see if it is tobacco combustion withdrawal, rather than vaping side effects? If that helps you need some juice with WTAs (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids)

At this point, quitting smoking is not quite as urgent as dealing with the rather dramatic effects you are feeling.

honestly i have considered doing a test myself and putting the PV down and smoke again for a few days to see if what im experiencing goes away if it does then, that is gonna tell me 1 of 2 things .........either the stopping is doing it or the vaping just isn't for me
cause the doc and a .... load of tests didn't find nothing serious
but the sad part is i have gone 50+ without i hate to lose all that because of whats happening and start again .....but i need the nic .
i honestly don't know what to do
 

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Only when we figure out what is causing these unusual symptoms. Have you tried having a cigarette a day to see if it is tobacco combustion withdrawal, rather than vaping side effects? If that helps you need some juice with WTAs (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids)

At this point, quitting smoking is not quite as urgent as dealing with the rather dramatic effects you are feeling.

I agree with EddardinWinter.

Loathe as I am to say it, consider smoking again to see what happens symptoms wise and go from there.

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I see nose bleeding listed as a smoking cessation symptom.

Search this in google: nosebleed smoking cessation and you will get plenty of links. Most seem to direct you to a doctor to check your sinuses and nose and prescribe a lubricant spray.

If I were you I would go to one of those doctors that specialize in nose, throat and ears (ENT doctos I think are called), I had to take my daughter to one once.
 

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to this day i will never understand how my grandparents made it to their 80s-90s and they were smokers
but she was lost in her 30s and never touched 1 .

This breaks me heart.
I am uploading a hug, I know it isn't much, but it's all I've got in these situations were there is no explanation.
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i think im gonna go ahead and try to do a test and see what happens to get to the bottom of whats happening to me , as much as the idea disgusts me , one way or the other i have to find out what is doing this and if it is the withdrawl symptoms then i will seek ways to ease them
if its the vapor , juices or products or hardwear maybe you all can help or the guys a 1 of the local vape stores can help me find a solution or a fix .
first thing im gonna do is go talk with the guy at the vape store by my house tonight hes open till 9:00 before i do this to see what suggestions he has before i go to this extreme . of smoking again .

i will post with my finding in a few days . i still don't like this idea though .
 
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