The M1A1 Buzz Tank

[GMoney]

MWA gets all credit KW - I was just fooling around with bits and pieces of scraps I had; a less than perfect set-up at present - but promising...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-reviews/229289-mwa-atty-tank-set-up.html

Very cool! I just watched that video. I think I might give that a try. I have only used Cartos - I know very little about Atomizers. Are those i06 atty's the same diameter as a 510 Carto? Is that sleeve the diameter of a 510 Carto? Would that sleeve accept a 510 drip tip?

Carto tanks work(more or less) by having the filler kept wet from the tank through the slit or hole(s) I am guessing that the "Atty tank" works by having the proper sized holes and the negative pressure of the draw causing the perfect amount of liquid being drawn in to keep the atty wet but not flooding it. Is this correct? Or am I missing something?

 

[Pokeygizmo]

Very cool! I just watched that video. I think I might give that a try. I have only used Cartos - I know very little about Atomizers. Are those i06 atty's the same diameter as a 510 Carto? Is that sleeve the diameter of a 510 Carto? Would that sleeve accept a 510 drip tip?

Carto tanks work(more or less) by having the filler kept wet from the tank through the slit or hole(s) I am guessing that the "Atty Tank" works by having the proper sized holes and the negative pressure of the draw causing the perfect amount of liquid being drawn in to keep the atty wet but not flooding it. Is this correct? Or am I missing something?

OMG, G$!
Are you talking to me?????? LOL!!

I haven't had the opportunity to play with the i06s - my understanding is that they do fit in a "standard" tank although depending on the height (length?) of the tank the cart (I think that's what you mean by sleeve) may not reach high enough. Does it work with a 510? I don't know to be honest, but I am thinking so - I need to catch up on MWA's thread.

Yes, the holes in the cart is where the juice is pulled in to the atty - Mod explained it earlier, liquid tension, maybe negative pressure? It's back here on this thread somewhere, I'll try to find it...

I've got some 306s en route with their cart covers - maybe tomorrow? Most likely Monday...I'll keep you posted on how it goes.

 

[Modrod.]

Very cool! I just watched that video. I think I might give that a try. I have only used Cartos - I know very little about Atomizers. Are those i06 atty's the same diameter as a 510 Carto? Is that sleeve the diameter of a 510 Carto? Would that sleeve accept a 510 drip tip?

Carto tanks work(more or less) by having the filler kept wet from the tank through the slit or hole(s) I am guessing that the "Atty Tank" works by having the proper sized holes and the negative pressure of the draw causing the perfect amount of liquid being drawn in to keep the atty wet but not flooding it. Is this correct? Or am I missing something?

The i06 and 306 are the same diameter but they are a few mm smaller in diameter than a 510. You would need a tighter fit on a 510 tank. MWA was using a 9mm x 12mm o-ring to create a tighter fit on a 510 designed tank. You would need a tank size of about 1" to accommodate the length of the i06/306 with the cap on. For the DT, you need something to put a 510 tip in. Part of a carto tube or a tighter o-ring on top to make a 510 DT seal tightly. Yes, negative pressure is pretty much how this works. Whew. lol

 

[Pokeygizmo]

Thank goodness you're here to explain it all, Mod!

I am mostly clueless - I just slapped the thing together and held my breath...LOL!!

 

[Modrod.]

Thank goodness you're here to explain it all, Mod!

I am mostly clueless - I just slapped the thing together and held my breath...LOL!!

If it works, that's all that matters. lol I didn't think your design was bad at all. You did it in true modder fashion and it didn't look too bad at all. Modding is all about testing an idea first, and if it works, perfecting it later.

 

[GMoney]

OMG, G$!
Are you talking to me?????? LOL!!

I haven't had the opportunity to play with the i06s - my understanding is that they do fit in a "standard" tank although depending on the height (length?) of the tank the cart (I think that's what you mean by sleeve) may not reach high enough. Does it work with a 510? I don't know to be honest, but I am thinking so - I need to catch up on MWA's thread.

Yes, the holes in the cart is where the juice is pulled in to the atty - Mod explained it earlier, liquid tension, maybe negative pressure? It's back here on this thread somewhere, I'll try to find it...

I've got some 306s en route with their cart covers - maybe tomorrow? Most likely Monday...I'll keep you posted on how it goes.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Miss Gizmo! Now that you are an EXPERT Modder! I was also "throwing it out there" as I know there are some "Atty experts" around here somewhere, lol.

Thank you for the info. I look forward to seeing how it goes with the 306.

The i06 and 306 are the same diameter but they are a few mm smaller in diameter than a 510. You would need a tighter fit on a 510 tank. MWA was using a 9mm x 12mm o-ring to create a tighter fit on a 510 designed tank. You would need a tank size of about 1" to accommodate the length of the i06/306 with the cap on. For the DT, you need something to put a 510 tip in. Part of a carto tube or a tighter o-ring on top to make a 510 DT seal tightly. Yes, negative pressure is pretty much how this works. Whew. lol

Thanks Modrod! That helps. I think I will give it a try when IKV opens again - I planned on making an order there anyway. I'll see what it takes to get it to work with the M1A1 Tank. I am getting a good couple of weeks out of a Fusion Carto but eventually the filer gets "funky", so this might be cool

Thanks again!

 

[Modrod.]

No problem G. I was planning to try it with M1 as well. If you beat me to it, let me know how it works out.

 

[Wharf Rat]

Very cool Pokey, thank you and Mod. PI and I have been mulling this over, but you sparked what's left of my mind.

I took a i06 DT and slid it over a 306 cart. Fits tight and perfect. Next job is to find a O-ring to fit the bottom of the 306.

Plenty of length on the Liquinator.

BTW Iv'e been using atty's only since July and as much as I loved the Fusions, even they can't compare to the flavor I get for attys. My fav is the i06 followed my the 306.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

This looks like it could work, Wharf. Can't tell about the integrity of the 306 DT/cart seal, but I'll trust you to report on how it goes.

 

[Wharf Rat]

IT IS tight PI *in Goldfinger's voice*

If there is any leakage, it would be into the atty and I think the holes would be where any negitive pressure??? would be.


I just blew on it hard with no air leakage.

 

[GMoney]

Very cool Pokey, thank you and Mod. PI and I have been mulling this over, but you sparked what's left of my mind.

I took a i06 DT and slid it over a 306 cart. Fits tight and perfect. Next job is to find a O-ring to fit the bottom of the 306.

Plenty of length on the Liquinator.

BTW Iv'e been using atty's only since July and as much as I loved the Fusions, even they can't compare to the flavor I get for attys. My fav is the i06 followed my the 306.

Looks great Wharf!

I have never used attys before, mostly because I am too lazy to constantly keep dripping but I thought this "atty tank" looks cool though. Since Ikenvape still hasn't opened back up I ordered some 306's from somewhere else but I was wondering, for when Ikenvape reopens, which which i06 you would recommend - the 2.5 Ohm or the 3.5 Ohm?

 

[Pokeygizmo]

I have been playing with the 306 since Saturday, Wharf. I have different length tubing and one happened to be the right size to allow the top of the 306 cart to seat in the upper cap - and leave room for the drip tip - a delrin cap, not the grommet. It sealed with an acrylic 510 DT that I own which is larger than the aluminum ones I use most often. But, as you have noted, the diameter of the 306 and it's cart is not enough to seal at the bottom - not without an additional something.

Not having the good fortune of owning an I06, I am pleased to see how it will fit over the cart and make it snug - more pleased that it gives it the length so that we don't lose volume in the tank. Apparently on another thread there is talk of the orings necessary to complete the seal at the bottom - I have not made the time to seek it out; perhaps you and PI will find it and complete the deal and have a successful atty tank. Should I happen on the oring size I of course will let you know ASAP. Somehow with your current positive success, I imagine you or PI will find it ahead of me.

I have also had suggested to me the use of food grade epoxy to use as a sealant - an interesting idea, but a product I myself am not too familiar with. I do not know if it would seal it forever and thus end the use of the tank when the atty dies; nor do I know if it is somehow removeable with a solvent of some sort.

Then there is always the issue of how does it react - or does it- with the juice should it have contact with it. I haven't had time to talk to the gentleman who shared this with me in much detail. But I will.

I did try it with the grommets I own - both the same OD, but each a different size ID. They did not work with the 306 cart as it did not exert enough pressure against the wall of the tank to seal. But there may still be one out there that does - but my heart is with the delrin caps, that is my goal - to get this to work with those.

I hope to get an i06 one of these days...the o ring for the bottom should actually be the easy part after it is all said and done. Other than determining the right number and size of the holes into the cart itself. I am guessing, though ,that will be PG/VG ratio and preference dependent.

Kudos to you and PI for taking this to the next level; thanks for sharing it with me and the many others who are watching this thread.

And thanks to Mike for allowing us to hijack his thread to the extent that I/we have...he has been a most gracious host. I would think that once this is all figured out it would be useable and a positive point for his tanks as well.

 

[Pokeygizmo]

The i06 and 306 are the same diameter but they are a few mm smaller in diameter than a 510. You would need a tighter fit on a 510 tank. MWA was using a 9mm x 12mm o-ring to create a tighter fit on a 510 designed tank.

Perhaps, Wharf, this size o-ring that Mod/MWA suggested would be a good starting size, if not the perfect size, for what you need...

 

[Modrod.]

Awesome find Wharf! MWA also mentioned that black delrin i06 DT's (same one you're using) work well as a replacement for using the cap on an i06. As Pokey mentioned, MWA was using 9x12mm o-rings. McMaster-Carr sells a 100pk for $5.72. 1.5mm wide is apparently the size that most are using.

 

[Pokeygizmo]

Yup, Mod; Wharf done good, didn't he?

~The Orange One~

 

[Wharf Rat]

Thanks Pokey !

MOd the 9x12 is for the i06 right? The 306 is smaller. If I'm reading my micrometer right (it's been along time, and has lotsa litlle lines) the 306 is 8mm, i06 is 9 mm and a 510 carto 9+mm. So I wonder if I need 8x12 O-rings for the 306.

 

[Modrod.]

Yea, 9x12 for the i06. I didn't realize the 306's were smaller than the i06, but 8x12 sounds right.

 

[Bovinia]

Keeping my eye on this Great pics and work Wharf!

My internet has been a real turd the last few days so I haven't been able to keep up. Tech will be out tomorrow (again) to play the filter merry-go-round to see if they get out line more stable.

 

[Wharf Rat]

I don't know what the hell I'm doing LOL !!! I called my hardware store asked if they have little o-rings and told him I need 8x12. He said those are big ones *shrug* but they are in inches, so I'm going to try to get in there tomorrow.

 

[Modrod.]

8x12mm and 1.5mm thick.