The Milder Side of NET's

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Another order from pipesandcigars.com has been placed ! Using the menu for Pipe tobacco Brands and choosing Bulk tobacco (1 oz. packages), I was able to "Filter" by Profile (Mellow-Medium), Flavor Intensity (Mellow), and Customer Ratings (4 stars and above). This narrowed my choices from over 400 to 100. Easier to get a closer look that way.
Several old favorites like Decatur Black Cherry, Peter Stokkebye's 84 Turkish, Scotty's Honey and Chocolate, H&H Louisiana Red, and H&H Virginia Spice. I also included Sutliff's Stoved Black Virginia just to see how it would compare to McClellan's Stoved Virginia.
And, of course, a few new flavors. Sutliff's Christmas Spice, Creamy Butterscotch and Golden Cavendish, Lane's Limited BCA and Mac Barons Golden Extra. I also wanted Cornell and Deihl Yorktown, but I have to settle for a back order for that one.
Should be in late next week, begin cold maceration then, and fresh supplies by May !
 
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@PapawBrett - I just happened on this thread. I'm not really interested in the milder tobacco's, but like your simple method. I do only tobacco, and thought about doing my own extractions (hey, I brew my own beer, so why not?). But, quite a while back, I found PG wasn't agreeing with me. So I went thru St8vision's thread, but I'm just too lazy for that. Now that I've won a Juul type pod device with presumably high PG content, I find I can hit it quite a few times per day in between hits of my RTA with all VG without issue (but still feel it if I overdo it). So I'm assuming if your mixes can be used at 10%, that ought to be low enough in remaining PG content to keep from irritating me.

I really like that you put the links in there, but would like to know where you purchase your tobacco? I know there are probably dozens of places, but like anything else vape related, I like to get recommendations here.

Another question, that probably doesn't have a simple answer: How would you compare the coil gunking factor of juice produced this way with other NETs and non NET juices? How many ml, do you typically go thru before rebuilding or rewicking?
 
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I recently did a device trade and the other party included a 10ml sample of an NET juice. Quite subtle at the percentage he used but once my buds 'discovered' the flavor and feel I'm really enjoying it. He mixed at 6% and my requirement was 60vg/40pg 24mg FB.
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I am enjoying it immensely but still up in the air about whether or not to order more myself. I'm concerned about what I've heard about NETs being coil gunkers.
My twisting, winding and cotton stuffing days are behind me. I've become one of those dreaded POD PEOPLE! If the 10ml I've got doesn't destroy the pod I've got it in I may order and mix some more.
Glad you liked the mix Foggy! I realized I never did ask if it worked for you. That Stixx Mixx is a NET, so you're right, it will of course gunk quicker than say, a Hangsen. Apparently not nearly as bad as some others I've read about, especially since you can mix it at around 6% instead of up to 30%.

I typically have one RTA with all NET, another with 50/50 NET & Hangsen to cut down on rebuilding and give a different flavor. And for my pods, I mixed 50% unflavored, 25% Hangsen, 25% NET juices, to extend the life. It works pretty well, but of course, a little bland compared to all tobacco. Nice change of pace, though, to give the buds a break. Just a thought.
 
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Papaw, do you ever blend them? Like use a simple base flavour, and add your own notes of another? Both nets.

I'm just trialling some

Not yet. I am still relatively new to this. It didn't take long for me to figure out that I prefer milder NET flavors, though.
I have found a sweet, clean Virginia pressed cake called Briar Fox. My first few blends will undoubtedly contain this. Mixed some Burley and Bright earlier this week. And Mac Barons Golden Extra on the way. Maybe one of these Burley, along with Briar Fox could be a 'base' for blending.... ?
 
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@PapawBrett - I just happened on this thread. I'm not really interested in the milder tobacco's, but like your simple method. I do only tobacco, and thought about doing my own extractions (hey, I brew my own beer, so why not?). But, quite a while back, I found PG wasn't agreeing with me. So I went thru St8vision's thread, but I'm just too lazy for that. Now that I've won a Juul type pod device with presumably high PG content, I find I can hit it quite a few times per day in between hits of my RTA with all VG without issue (but still feel it if I overdo it). So I'm assuming if your mixes can be used at 10%, that ought to be low enough in remaining PG content to keep from irritating me.
I really like that you put the links in there, but would like to know where you purchase your tobacco? I know there are probably dozens of places, but like anything else vape related, I like to get recommendations here.
Another question, that probably doesn't have a simple answer: How would you compare the coil gunking factor of juice produced this way with other NETs and non NET juices? How many ml, do you typically go thru before rebuilding or rewicking?

I don't care for PG either, acute sinus allergies if I vape above 30%. I do 30/70 PG/VG because of it.
The links are to pipesandcigars.com where I buy my tobaccos in one ounce "Bulk" packages. One ounce of tobacco, a 1/2 pint mason jar and top off with maybe 100ml of PG. Then let sit 8 to 12 weeks.
I Vape almost exclusively with REOS Mods. Durable "wash and wear" mech mods. The RBA's and RTA's I use get cleaned about once a week. 5 to 7 minute soak in 91% Isopropanol, 5 minute soak hot water, and Q-tips. Then just wrap a new coil and add new cotton. 20 to 30 minutes on a lazy Sunday afternoon is a small price to pay for clean gear and delicious vapes. Maybe vape 10ml week each in my "At Work" mods, less in my at home gear.
 
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Hearth & Home Signature Anniversary Kake - Pipes and Cigars

Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2016
Mixed at 10% (30/70 PG/VG @10ml Nic) February 2018

I am thinking I should have tried this one earlier....
Anniversary Kake is a VaPer (Virginia - Perique) blend that comes across very mild and smooth. Home & Hearth claims they ordered red Virginia, but received a mix of various Virginias from yellow to brown. Then they added Arcadian Perique, heated and pressed it into a "Kake".
My impressions - the Virginia is neither sweet or grassy, but rather a smooth blend of light tobaccos. The Perique is blended into the flavor, slightly less than say Louisiana Red. Neither flavor takes center stage, but compliments one another. Neither sweet or tart, just a light and smooth clean tobacco flavor
I wish I had ordered more ...
 
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Cornell & Diehl Autumn Evening - Pipes and Cigars

Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2017
Mixed @10% (30/70 PG/VG) 10 days ago.

MAPLE !!!!! as in Aunt Jemima, Log Cabin and Mrs. Butterworth. Maple Syrup.
I mixed up a small 10ml. bottle to give this selection a try, and waited about a week and a half. C&D describe their product as Red Virginia Cavendish with a top note mixture of maple, vanilla, citrus, and liquor.
What I am getting is MAPLE ! The maple syrup flavor is front and foremost, and dominates the vape. I am picking up a slight vanilla tone underneath that only sweetens the maple flavor. Buried somewhere under the casing is an occasional slight tobacco flavor. The Virginia Cavendish tries, but it's just too mild to keep up.
Maybe letting this one steep a little more would help the flavors to balance out. As it stands now, if you are the kind that pours maple syrup over your pancakes, this is a must try (though you may need to mix it a little stronger). But this is a very mild, sweet flavor.
 

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Gawith & Hoggarth Kendal Toffee - Pipes and Cigars

Sweet vape. Advertised as a "darker, more mature Virginia", the single tobacco is richer, and not grassy like some Virginia tobaccos. The Toffee flavor blends with this tobacco, and together they provide a sweet yet rich flavor that marries well together, though nowhere near as sweet as Molto Dulce. The toffee gives a hint of glazed, or burnt sugar at the end of the exhale, but not so much as to be unpleasant.
More of a dessert vape than an ADV, but something I have enjoyed none the less.
 

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Just curious @PapawBrett - what do you use to press down on the aeropress when you've filled it and ready to extract? Why do you not use the supplied filter paper that comes with the aeropress and choose to buy and cut your own?

Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

Press down with my hand. Slow, steady pressure for a couple of minutes.
I do use the paper filters that come with the Aeropress for the initial filtration, but the final extract needs to be cleaner than that. That's why I cut filters from 2.5 macron lab filter papers.
@Str8vision has an extensive explanation of filter papers, and why they are so critical. Somewhere. I am sure of it.
 

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Gawith & Hoggarth Burley & Bright - Pipes and Cigars

Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2017
Mixed @10% (30/70 Pg/VG Jan 2019

Dull and boring. Maybe I didn't add enough extract. Maybe I waited too long. Maybe it's just dull and boring.
Very light flavor, almost like smoking an ultra light cigarette. What is there tastes almost stale, barely sweet enough to not be bitter. G&W promotes this as having a slightly nutty taste, but I don't find any flavor notes of the sort. Using a REOS VV Woodvil, I can slowly bring the wattage up to 15W, and there is a slight flavor increase to emphasize just how barely sweet and boring this is. Think Orlik Golden Sliced little sister. Only weaker.
Maybe someone using 40W+ would get more of a light, sweet tobacco flavor, but I don't vape like that.
 
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Papaw, do you ever blend them? Like use a simple base flavour, and add your own notes of another? Both nets.

I'm just trialling some

This post got me to thinking (Mamaw says I get in trouble doing such things)

Maybe 2/3 Molto Dulce and 1/3 Burley and Bright.... that way the Molto Dulce might not be so sickeningly sweet ....
 

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just a few thought based on my relative (in)experience with extracting tobacco...
You will notice form my posts that I use Cold Maceration for an extraction process. Because of my busy lifestyle (career trucker) this is the easiest process for me. Also, somewhere along the line Mamaw apparently had a bad experience with a pressure cooker, and will not allow one in her kitchen. My yard, my house (repair), my autos (maintenance), HER kitchen.... (considering how well she cooks, not complaining)
But it takes about three months from start to finish. Here goes...
1) Ordering. There is such a thing as a Tobacco Beetle. It lays it's eggs (larva) inside the tobacco leaves. Cigarette tobacco is sprayed with pesticide (and preservatives) to kill the tobacco beetle larvae. Most Fine Cigars and Pipe Tobaccos are not treated this way. This is why cigars and pipe tobaccos are kept and sold in Humidors, controlled environments that keep the temperature and humidity below 70. As long as the temperature does not reach the mid-70's, the tobacco beetle larvae cannot mature and hatch.
This is why I order my tobaccos in the Dead of Winter - so the product stays cool during transportation through the mail system. Overkill ? Maybe, but I want a pure, enjoyable taste from my NETs. I tend to order 1 ounce bulk selections, because it is easier for my process.
2) Maceration. Using 1/2 pint Mason Jars, I insert 1 ounce of tobacco, and fill to the top with PG. The jars are then placed in a dark, cool place (top shelf, bedroom closet). They will remain there for eight weeks. Sometimes I might check them after two or three weeks to see if absorption by the tobacco has lowered the PG level, and top off. Some who are PG intolerant may need to use a different extraction method, such as discussed by @Str8vision in his thread ;
Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol
3) Perhaps the most critical step in making your own NET flavors. Poor filtration can produce e-liquids that are called 'gunky', and can wreck coils almost immediately. Take care in selecting your filtration equipment, and don't be afraid to ask question around this sub-forum.
I personally use an Aero Press, designed for coffee filtering.
AeroPress Coffee Maker | AeroPress
and filter paper from the Lab Depot. I order the 12.5 cm size, as I can cut two filters to fit the Aero Press from each filter.
Quantitative : TLD™ Grade 42 Quantitative Filter Paper, Ashless
Using a typical wire mesh kitchen strainer and a 1 Pint Mason jar, I carefully pour the extracted PG through the strainer and into the pint jar. I used to worry about getting each and every drop that I could, but I have learned I can always make more. Now I just try to get a clean strain, and throw away the tobacco.
The bottom of the Aero Press fits nicely on top of a Pint Mason Jar. Using the filter paper that came with the Aero Press, I position the press on top of a clean Pint jar, pour the extract in, and SLOWLY apply pressure, checking to make sure the extract is flowing though the paper filter and not around it. This takes several minutes.
Then I carefully cut the Lab Filter Paper to match the size of the Aero Press, and filter a second time with the Quantitive paper filter. I believe this paper is rated at 2.5 macron, it will take care to slowly push the extracted liquid through the paper rather than around it. This produces my finished results.
I then mix my e-liquids to taste (usually around 10% extract) and allow four weeks steep time.
My method is simple and easy. There are probably better methods (and possibly more complicated and time consuming), but I can produce NET flavors at a fraction of what Vendors charge. My 'flavored' tobacco extractions are clean enough for RDA's, and the unflavored tobaccos are clean enough for RTAs.
CMD-Ky, it's not as complicated as this post sounds. Though we DIY'ers might never match the quality of Lab Equipment used by professionals, we can produce many enjoyable flavors (and a few clunkers along the way).
READ as much as you can in the Liquid Extraction from Tobacco sub-forum. There are people who know far more than I do. I just like 'quick and easy', and this works for me. Good Luck !
Typically, how much finished flavoring is produced from your 1 ounce of tobacco? And what do you keep the finished favoring in? What size of glass do you filter the 3rd and last time back into? Do you put it back into the half pint bottle to store or transfer it again to smaller glass containers? I just kinda what to know what is expected so I don't think I have done something wrong when I finally get everything in order to attempt this myself.

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Typically, how much finished flavoring is produced from your 1 ounce of tobacco? And what do you keep the finished favoring in? What size of glass do you filter the 3rd and last time back into? Do you put it back into the half pint bottle to store or transfer it again to smaller glass containers? I just kinda what to know what is expected so I don't think I have done something wrong when I finally get everything in order to attempt this myself.
Thanks
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From 1 ounce of tobacco and maybe 100 ml of PG in a half pint Mason jar, I usually get around 50ml finished extract. At 10% mix, this gives me 500 ml of e-liquids, at 15% maybe 330ml, so on and so forth. Stored in brown glass bottles in a dark, cool place (top shelf of bedroom closet) they are protected from sunlight, and pets. I use Pint Mason jars to filter into. Warm water rinse and a clean paper towel after each use to prepare for next use. Between old tobacco and paper towels, I just commandeer the trash can as well as the kitchen counter and sink while filtering.
It is important to get a good filtering of the extract. Otherwise the e-liquids are gunky and will turn coils and wicks almost immediately.
 
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