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The Milder Side of NET's

Discussion in 'Liquid Extraction From Tobacco' started by PapawBrett, Dec 12, 2018.

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  1. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Another order from pipesandcigars.com has been placed ! Using the menu for Pipe Tobacco Brands and choosing Bulk Tobacco (1 oz. packages), I was able to "Filter" by Profile (Mellow-Medium), Flavor Intensity (Mellow), and Customer Ratings (4 stars and above). This narrowed my choices from over 400 to 100. Easier to get a closer look that way.
    Several old favorites like Decatur Black Cherry, Peter Stokkebye's 84 Turkish, Scotty's Honey and Chocolate, H&H Louisiana Red, and H&H Virginia Spice. I also included Sutliff's Stoved Black Virginia just to see how it would compare to McClellan's Stoved Virginia.
    And, of course, a few new flavors. Sutliff's Christmas Spice, Creamy Butterscotch and Golden Cavendish, Lane's Limited BCA and Mac Barons Golden Extra. I also wanted Cornell and Deihl Yorktown, but I have to settle for a back order for that one.
    Should be in late next week, begin cold maceration then, and fresh supplies by May !
     
  2. Doffy

    Doffy Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 15, 2014
    Australia
    Papaw, do you ever blend them? Like use a simple base flavour, and add your own notes of another? Both nets.

    I'm just trialling some
     
  3. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Metro ATL
    @PapawBrett - I just happened on this thread. I'm not really interested in the milder tobacco's, but like your simple method. I do only tobacco, and thought about doing my own extractions (hey, I brew my own beer, so why not?). But, quite a while back, I found PG wasn't agreeing with me. So I went thru St8vision's thread, but I'm just too lazy for that. Now that I've won a Juul type pod device with presumably high PG content, I find I can hit it quite a few times per day in between hits of my RTA with all VG without issue (but still feel it if I overdo it). So I'm assuming if your mixes can be used at 10%, that ought to be low enough in remaining PG content to keep from irritating me.

    I really like that you put the links in there, but would like to know where you purchase your tobacco? I know there are probably dozens of places, but like anything else vape related, I like to get recommendations here.

    Another question, that probably doesn't have a simple answer: How would you compare the coil gunking factor of juice produced this way with other NETs and non NET juices? How many ml, do you typically go thru before rebuilding or rewicking?
     
  4. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Metro ATL
    Glad you liked the mix Foggy! I realized I never did ask if it worked for you. That Stixx Mixx is a NET, so you're right, it will of course gunk quicker than say, a Hangsen. Apparently not nearly as bad as some others I've read about, especially since you can mix it at around 6% instead of up to 30%.

    I typically have one RTA with all NET, another with 50/50 NET & Hangsen to cut down on rebuilding and give a different flavor. And for my pods, I mixed 50% unflavored, 25% Hangsen, 25% NET juices, to extend the life. It works pretty well, but of course, a little bland compared to all tobacco. Nice change of pace, though, to give the buds a break. Just a thought.
     
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  5. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Not yet. I am still relatively new to this. It didn't take long for me to figure out that I prefer milder NET flavors, though.
    I have found a sweet, clean Virginia pressed cake called Briar Fox. My first few blends will undoubtedly contain this. Mixed some Burley and Bright earlier this week. And Mac Barons Golden Extra on the way. Maybe one of these Burley, along with Briar Fox could be a 'base' for blending.... ?
     
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  6. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    I don't care for PG either, acute sinus allergies if I vape above 30%. I do 30/70 PG/VG because of it.
    The links are to pipesandcigars.com where I buy my tobaccos in one ounce "Bulk" packages. One ounce of tobacco, a 1/2 pint mason jar and top off with maybe 100ml of PG. Then let sit 8 to 12 weeks.
    I Vape almost exclusively with REOS Mods. Durable "wash and wear" mech mods. The RBA's and RTA's I use get cleaned about once a week. 5 to 7 minute soak in 91% Isopropanol, 5 minute soak hot water, and Q-tips. Then just wrap a new coil and add new cotton. 20 to 30 minutes on a lazy Sunday afternoon is a small price to pay for clean gear and delicious vapes. Maybe vape 10ml week each in my "At Work" mods, less in my at home gear.
     
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  7. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Hearth & Home Signature Anniversary Kake - Pipes and Cigars

    Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2016
    Mixed at 10% (30/70 PG/VG @10ml Nic) February 2018

    I am thinking I should have tried this one earlier....
    Anniversary Kake is a VaPer (Virginia - Perique) blend that comes across very mild and smooth. Home & Hearth claims they ordered red Virginia, but received a mix of various Virginias from yellow to brown. Then they added Arcadian Perique, heated and pressed it into a "Kake".
    My impressions - the Virginia is neither sweet or grassy, but rather a smooth blend of light tobaccos. The Perique is blended into the flavor, slightly less than say Louisiana Red. Neither flavor takes center stage, but compliments one another. Neither sweet or tart, just a light and smooth clean tobacco flavor
    I wish I had ordered more ...
     
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  8. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Cornell & Diehl Autumn Evening - Pipes and Cigars

    Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2017
    Mixed @10% (30/70 PG/VG) 10 days ago.

    MAPLE !!!!! as in Aunt Jemima, Log Cabin and Mrs. Butterworth. Maple Syrup.
    I mixed up a small 10ml. bottle to give this selection a try, and waited about a week and a half. C&D describe their product as Red Virginia Cavendish with a top note mixture of maple, vanilla, citrus, and liquor.
    What I am getting is MAPLE ! The maple syrup flavor is front and foremost, and dominates the vape. I am picking up a slight vanilla tone underneath that only sweetens the maple flavor. Buried somewhere under the casing is an occasional slight tobacco flavor. The Virginia Cavendish tries, but it's just too mild to keep up.
    Maybe letting this one steep a little more would help the flavors to balance out. As it stands now, if you are the kind that pours maple syrup over your pancakes, this is a must try (though you may need to mix it a little stronger). But this is a very mild, sweet flavor.
     
  9. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    I have been vaping this H&H Anniversary Kake everyday for about three weeks now, and it does not disappoint. And I am vaping it in a Vapefly Galaxies BF RTA, and get to have any issues with gunking. WINNER !
     
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  10. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Gawith & Hoggarth Kendal Toffee - Pipes and Cigars

    Sweet vape. Advertised as a "darker, more mature Virginia", the single tobacco is richer, and not grassy like some Virginia tobaccos. The Toffee flavor blends with this tobacco, and together they provide a sweet yet rich flavor that marries well together, though nowhere near as sweet as Molto Dulce. The toffee gives a hint of glazed, or burnt sugar at the end of the exhale, but not so much as to be unpleasant.
    More of a dessert vape than an ADV, but something I have enjoyed none the less.
     
  11. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Before this thread 'locks', I should review a few more flavors later this month ...
     
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    Papaw,
    I can always unlock it for you :)
     
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  13. VforVape

    VforVape Full Member

    Mar 9, 2018
    S-E Asia
    Just curious @PapawBrett - what do you use to press down on the aeropress when you've filled it and ready to extract? Why do you not use the supplied filter paper that comes with the aeropress and choose to buy and cut your own?

    Thanks in advance for answering my questions.
     
  14. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Press down with my hand. Slow, steady pressure for a couple of minutes.
    I do use the paper filters that come with the Aeropress for the initial filtration, but the final extract needs to be cleaner than that. That's why I cut filters from 2.5 macron lab filter papers.
    @Str8vision has an extensive explanation of filter papers, and why they are so critical. Somewhere. I am sure of it.
     
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  15. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    Gawith & Hoggarth Burley & Bright - Pipes and Cigars

    Extracted (cold maceration) winter of 2017
    Mixed @10% (30/70 Pg/VG Jan 2019

    Dull and boring. Maybe I didn't add enough extract. Maybe I waited too long. Maybe it's just dull and boring.
    Very light flavor, almost like smoking an ultra light cigarette. What is there tastes almost stale, barely sweet enough to not be bitter. G&W promotes this as having a slightly nutty taste, but I don't find any flavor notes of the sort. Using a REOS VV Woodvil, I can slowly bring the wattage up to 15W, and there is a slight flavor increase to emphasize just how barely sweet and boring this is. Think Orlik Golden Sliced little sister. Only weaker.
    Maybe someone using 40W+ would get more of a light, sweet tobacco flavor, but I don't vape like that.
     
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  16. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    This post got me to thinking (Mamaw says I get in trouble doing such things)

    Maybe 2/3 Molto Dulce and 1/3 Burley and Bright.... that way the Molto Dulce might not be so sickeningly sweet ....
     
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  17. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Typically, how much finished flavoring is produced from your 1 ounce of tobacco? And what do you keep the finished favoring in? What size of glass do you filter the 3rd and last time back into? Do you put it back into the half pint bottle to store or transfer it again to smaller glass containers? I just kinda what to know what is expected so I don't think I have done something wrong when I finally get everything in order to attempt this myself.

    Thanks

    :)
     
  18. Doffy

    Doffy Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 15, 2014
    Australia
    nice

    report back on results, please
     
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  19. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    From 1 ounce of tobacco and maybe 100 ml of PG in a half pint Mason jar, I usually get around 50ml finished extract. At 10% mix, this gives me 500 ml of e-liquids, at 15% maybe 330ml, so on and so forth. Stored in brown glass bottles in a dark, cool place (top shelf of bedroom closet) they are protected from sunlight, and pets. I use Pint Mason jars to filter into. Warm water rinse and a clean paper towel after each use to prepare for next use. Between old tobacco and paper towels, I just commandeer the trash can as well as the kitchen counter and sink while filtering.
    It is important to get a good filtering of the extract. Otherwise the e-liquids are gunky and will turn coils and wicks almost immediately.
     
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  20. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Thanks so much. I do plan to wait for the colder months to order any pipe tobacco(as it is unseasonably hot both here in WV and in FL this year) so by then I should know a lot more of what I am doing and what he may like--(thanks to you).

    :)
     
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