The myth of second hand vape
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This is the type of behavior (vaping in a non-smoking area, regardless if permitted) that some on ECF view as being rude and inconsiderate of others in the general vicinity and gives vaping a bad name. That American might now write their representative and jump on the anti-vaping bandwagon.
Absolutely possible. Do I think all vapors would be that respectful? Absolutely not.
Sure.
Just like it is Possible to have a thread Without Someone Lumping people into Groups and or Calling them an ANTZ.
But there is Always that One Narrow Minded Person who Screws it up for the Rest. Vapors using an e-Cigarette in Non-Smoking Areas are No Exception.
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I respect your right to your view on public vaping for yourself, based on your past experience with smoking. I see how it works for you based on those past feeling you had as a smoker. Makes perfect sense.
What I disagree with, is those who either imply or state, that we should all view vaping publicly but respectfully in non-smoking areas as something that we should not ever do. We all don't have the same past feelings about smoking as you do and how it relates to vaping. I respect your thinking about it For Yourself.
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Not exactly sure how to take that comment, but vapers using an e-cigarette in a non smoking area are no different than people drinking coffee in a non smoking area or eating a bagel in a non smoking area.
Since vaping is not smoking, then I don't see an issue. If someone is vaping in a non-vaping area, like an airplane, then that's one thing.
But since vaping is not smoking, then until private business or my local laws deem otherwise, I will not restrict myself to the same restrictions that smokers have. I won't be rude, I won't blow clouds in peoples faces, but that being said. Until an establishment regulates e-cigarettes, or my local laws restrict the use of e-cigarettes, I will vape in non-smoking areas since vaping is not smoking.
The only narrow-mindedness I would see is someone who would automatically link one behavior with another behavior without having done the requisite studies to show that both behaviors pose equal risk or equal annoyance.
The burden of proof lies with the person wishing to ban the behavior, not the one participating in it.
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What I think you are Missing wv2win is that Nobody is Forcing Anyone to adopt Anyone's Views in these threads. People are just sharing their Points of View.
If a person Likes what You or I say, Great. And if they don't, that's Great to.
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BTW - When you post like you did in this Last Post, many people - Including Myself - Enjoy reading your posts.
When you Imply that people are members of the Vaping Police, I think you Turn Off More People than you attract.
Just Say'n.
Have you ever Heard the term that "Perception is Reality"?
Not making a statement about Right or Wrong, just that to many People, Non-Vapers, Vaping Is Smoking.
Once again, Not Saying that this Perception is Right or Wrong. But until the Majority of the Non-Vaping Population understand More about Vaping, there will be Many who see No Difference.
Following that thought process, there are also that One or More Condescending Person(s) who wants others to stay within the Boundaries of what they Deem acceptable. Similar to how some Police act in Some parts of the World. Those who vape respectfully must be condemned by the few who are obnoxious. I'm glad I have more faith in people than some do.
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You can pretend the Vaping Police don't exist....but I just spotted one of their cruisers outside. Here, I took a quick photo to prove it!!
I've enjoyed following this thread and very surprised by the civility maintained with the discussion.
As for myself I do vape in public, non smoking buildings but I use the Evod in those places. I don't blow out lots of vapor but I tend to feel that at some point that someone is gonna ask me to stop vaping at some point.
As for myself I do vape in public, non smoking buildings but I use the Evod in those places. I don't blow out lots of vapor but I tend to feel that at some point that someone is gonna ask me to stop vaping at some point.
Yep, if one presents the Perception that vaping is the same as Smoking, what will non-smokers think? And there is No Better Way for the Non-Vaping Population to understand More about Vaping, that by watching Vapers ACT like Vaping and Smoking are the Same Thing. We Get It.
And how long will that take if vapers assume a cloaked demeanor-and 'herd in' with the smokers ?
I vape openly and everywhere, with respect to others, I place the onus on others to confront me about it, that has only happened twice in 4 years, I have drawn more interest than flack, if people see they can enquire, if they dont it's invisible to them.
Which is why it is important that non-vapers are exposed to the difference. How can the non-vaping population understand and experience the differences if vapers continually act like smokers.
But this is about to rabbit trail into a vaping in public debate which is sort of off the original topic of the toxicity or lack thereof of second hand vape.
If vapers act like smokers, then they only perpetuate the perception.
I was with you, and Agree with what you said until you got here....
Those who vape respectfully must be condemned by the few who are obnoxious.
Why do you ALLWAYS have to put Words into Other peoples Mouths, and or Twist Other People Views into Something there Not, to make your Position seem more Viable?
I don't Remember climbing to the Top of a Mountain, above all the Rhetoric, and seeing this Carved in Stone as an Obsolete Truth.
(Sorry for the Rhetoric but I Couldn't Resist. LOL)
When I read posts that others "like" or respond to in a positive manner that state in bold terms "never vape where you can't smoke" that is the same in my thinking as passing a negative judgement on those who think differently. Or when other's "questioning" posts imply that vaping respectfully in public is the cause of all bans, that is another attempt to force a different behavior on others. I have no problem with those who feel uncomfortable vaping in public in non-smoking areas. I think others should have the same respect for those who want to vape publicly in a respectful manner in non-smoking areas and not infer, imply or question that their behavior is wrong or damaging to vaping. Something for you to think about and how others "perceive" some posts.
note: I also find it telling that you did not respond to the content of my post about your experience not being the same as others and that others experience are Just as valid as yours.
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I hope they do. The Czechs are tired of communism and police states, so would have a good laugh by getting said letter from a Democrat in the US.
If vaping is allowed in an area the size of a restaurant, where there is no divider between smoking and non-smoking and someone complains- who isn't there with children, or who doesn't state they have an allergy, they are free to go somewhere else. I enjoy a good vape while waiting for Kobe beef teriyaki...
I don't care whether vaping in public is prohibited or not in the US. Given the 'progressive' state of this country, I generally only vape where smoking is allowed. I abide by the customs and norms of where I am at.
Most people don't want confrontation. They will send off e-mails and letters when they get home.
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