The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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since everyone kind of passed over the earlier mention of smokelessimage's ry4, i'll have to say I agree that it's quite good in my opinion, and better than some highly-touted ry4's that keep being mentioned in this thread. i like the SI juice better than the pre-filled carto's naturally, but it's got a nice flavor.

I love ry4 and keep trying from lots of different vendors, and am really enjoying following billherbst's thread. Although I must admit we can agree to disagree about the ranking of halo's tribeca :) And joogler's blend will benefit from a couple of weeks of steeping time...
 

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My 2 cents: I like SI's RY4 a lot. I've tried a few others but they are just too sweet. This one is smokey with carmel (vanilla carmel?).

I also think Tribeca qualifies as an RY4. I don't taste any chocolate at all, and it very much reminds me of the SI/Bloog version of RY4. I think part of the high price is the glass bottle - if he went with plastic the price would be more in line with other vendors.
 

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jbmcdan & starsong,

Volt and Bloog are from the KR808 world, right? I've perused those threads a couple times, but that equipment isn't part of my vaping experience. When I first started, I went from a Riva 510 eGo to custom mods in about a week, and I just skipped right over the whole "shaped like/looks like a cigarette" thing. Not to dis that segment of the vaping marketplace---heck, it's undoubtedly way bigger than the hardcore VV-mod or natural-tobacco-extract folks here on ECF (of which I am one...). So, whenever somebody posts about auto-batteries or pre-filled carts/cartos, it goes right past me, since I've never had either.

If anyone wants to send me a sample of the Bloog or Volt RY4, I'll be happy to review it.

One thing that does annoy me a little about these companies is their copy writers. The Volt page for what they term "Refill Liquids" calls RY4 "a new favorite among vapers," which is like saying that the Honda Accord is a new favorite among drivers.
 

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Yeah, the descriptions on some of these sites are a little odd. While those vendors do sell KR808 equipment, they also offer bottles of juice, so you'd be able to try them on your own equipment too. Both offer smaller bottles (10ml at SI and 5ml at Bloog) but the shipping prices at SI are more reasonable. SI has only offered juice for a few weeks, and Bloog just got theirs in stock like a day ago, so I haven't tried it. But I believe they get all their products from the same place(s).

You might even ask them for a sample for reviewing.

jbmcdan & starsong,

Volt and Bloog are from the KR808 world, right? I've perused those threads a couple times, but that equipment isn't part of my vaping experience. When I first started, I went from a Riva 510 eGo to custom mods in about a week, and I just skipped right over the whole "shaped like/looks like a cigarette" thing. Not to dis that segment of the vaping marketplace---heck, it's undoubtedly way bigger than the hardcore VV-mod or natural-tobacco-extract folks here on ECF (of which I am one...). So, whenever somebody posts about auto-batteries or pre-filled carts/cartos, it goes right past me, since I've never had either.

If anyone wants to send me a sample of the Bloog or Volt RY4, I'll be happy to review it.

One thing that does annoy me a little about these companies is their copy writers. The Volt page for what they term "Refill Liquids" calls RY4 "a new favorite among vapers," which is like saying that the Honda Accord is a new favorite among drivers.
 

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OK, friends, I sent on-site contact emails to customer service at SmokelessImage, BloogPlanet, and BreezeSmokes explaining about this thread, your requests, and asking if they'd send me small sample bottles of their respective RY4s for review.

As a side note, PBusardo did a video review of the Volt Starter Kit with both grape and RY4 flavor pre-loaded cartos (the kind that come in those sealed packs of five). Now, PBusardo is one of a select number of video reviewers that I really like. He's a straight, no-BS kind of guy, a very experienced vaper, and someone whose opinion I trust. He was impressed with the Volt e-cig for newbies, but he was totally dismissive of both pre-loaded juices---he used the term "generic," made a quick unhappy face, waved his hand, and moved on. No lengthy discussion. Yes, he stated the required caveat that taste is subjective, but I'm inclined to think that if I get the samples I requested, I'll probably agree with him.

That's relevant to this thread. My intention in starting the Big RY4 Round-up thread was not to review every single RY4 in the marketplace, though I may end up coming close before I lose my mind and hand off the thread to someone else. My interest---then and now---was mostly in reviewing, comparing, and discussing the RY4s that are custom recipes from artisan juice-makers. either prepared in small batches for limited stock or freshly mixed as orders come in. That's where my heart is.

Sure, I felt that it was and is important to include RY4s from Dekang or other major Chinese suppliers that are available from vendors such as Madvapes and Janty, because RY4 was created by Dekang and therefore represents a benchmark against which to measure. And while I'm not obsessed with the Holy Grail of the original, mythic, and now-lost RY4 recipe, that is part of the mystery of RY4s and has some meaning for me.

What I'm not very interested in is reviewing 50 separate RY4 pre-mixes from vendors targeting the as-yet-uncaptured mass market (read: newbies), who sell pre-filled, sealed cartos as part of e-cig starter kits. In those 50 RY4s, there might be only 4 or 5 that are actually different products. For me, that whole part of the vaping industry feels---how shall I say?---corporate and vaguely generic, even though the ad copy will work overtime to make it seem otherwise. I like that this vaping is a young and still largely cottage-based industry, with many new and small start-up companies carving out niches for themselves in custom mods, juices, and flavorings.

Here's a link to PBusardo's VOLT review, with his 20-second dismissal of "generic" RY4s:

A Pbusardo Review & Contest! - The Volt E-Cig From Smokeless Image - Vapor Talk E Cig Forum

I did ask each of the three vendors above if their RY4s were pre-mixes, and if so, who were their suppliers. We'll see if they answer my questions and send me sample bottles.
 

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Did you have a chance to try Gourmet Vapor's RY4? I just tryed it and I like it. It has a nutty flavored on inhale with a vanilla caramel exhale with no after taste. I ordered the 24mg so I get a really good throat hit but not to harsh.

I reviewed GourmetVapors RY4 in post #241. You won't be thrilled with my review.
 

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I can't wait to read the BreezeSmokes review! That is what I currently vape all day, everyday. BreezeSmokes' RY4 is only the 3rd juice I've tried, and I am hooked.

Landhew,

Don't hold your breath.

After my request yesterday for a sample of Breezesmokes RY4 and some info about how its made, I got an email response this morning from the owner. Essentially, he told me to stick it where the sun don't shine (not quite that rudely, in fairness, but close). He wrote that he fends off multiple requests every week for "free samples" for review (which apparently aggravates him), and that he's not giving out any information about how his juices are made or their source (he made it clear that he thinks people's motives for asking are suspect). He closed by stating that his business is doing just fine without my questions and review.

Make of that what you will, but it looks like BreezeSmokes won't be on the list.
 

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New thought:

While I won't suggest that I was entirely naive or innocent in starting this thread, it has grown in ways I didn't expect. That necessitates occasional re-thinking of my role as Head Reviewer and Keeper of the Thread (i.e., authoritarian-in-chief).

My experience today with BreezeSmokes provoked another bout of policy deliberation. The problem is that I really don't like asking businesses for free stuff. It rubs me the wrong way (and obviously did also for the owner of BreezeSmokes). I've done that five times now, and though I've been turned down only once so far---once is enough, given my basic distaste for the practice. As a result, I'm not going to do it anymore. I want the thread to be fun, and asking for free samples ruins the fun for me.

From this point on, if you'd like a certain vendor's RY4 added to the list for review/ranking/categorizing, please PM me for my mailing address, then mail me a small bottle (3ml, 5ml, whatever) of that RY4 to use for review testing. I will then mail back to you a small bottle of any of the 35 RY4s I now have in my stash (assuming that I have enough of the one you specify).

The other equally viable option is to simply review the RY4 yourself and post your review here. That way, you don't need to mail me anything---just do it yourself. No, an RY4 you review won't get on my personal ranking list or category groups, but who cares? Your opinion counts, and it's cool to have one place on ECF to look for info and reviews of RY4s.
 

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Doesn't surprise me they won't say how their juices are made - Halo won't even tell you the PG/VG mix, which I think is a bit goofy. But I did find this on the BreezeSmoke site if it is any help - I assume the 'across the pond' means it doesn't come from China:
All of our juices come mixed with USP (US Pharmaceutical) grade ingredients with the exception of flavors which are certified with a certificate from the FDA for human consumption. Our juices use USP propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine with trace amounts of PGA for purity. They come mixed with an 80/20 ratio of PG to VG for a happy medium of TH and vapor. Be assured you are getting the best products available. We have gotten away from the juices coming from across the pond. The only exceptions are the juices on the Clearance page.
 

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There certainly are a lot of sites with packages aimed at newbies, prefilled cartos, uncategorized pvs, etc. and they always have the obligatory RY4 in their round-up. Most posts about them are from new vapors who've yet to round out their experience and palate by time away from cigs and tasting mutliple juices. Nothing wrong with that, everybody has to start somewhere and when I look back just some months ago, my tastes have certainly developed. The purpose of this thread I think, is to evaluate and provide personal preference and reviews of the better RY4s out there and it should stay with that.

If anyone is really interested in getting billherbst's opinion on a juice not evaluated before, I suggest they PM him, see if he'd be willing to try it, then be prepared to mail him 3ml of it to test. Just my suggestion.

BTW, got my IKV in, boy it smells good. I've put it in my sleeping drawer because I like to have my first taste of a juice be one that's ready to vape. First impressions kind of philosophy. Been too many juices I vaped right away and nearly gave away, then later tried them again and found them to be good. So I now practice that discipline on all new juices, unless I know for sure they have some age on them.
 

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The purpose of this thread I think, is to evaluate and provide personal preference and reviews of the better RY4s out there and it should stay with that.

If anyone is really interested in getting billherbst's opinion on a juice not evaluated before, I suggest they PM him, see if he'd be willing to try it, then be prepared to mail him 3ml of it to test. Just my suggestion.

I would like to see a few more people give their take on different RY4s. I have learned to value billherbst's opinion, but I am sure he would like to see more members' input, too.

So break out those bottles, fill those pvs, and let us know. Not just what is good, but why. And if you want to revisit those nasty RY4s, give us a review on those. Don't leave billherbst to do all the work.
 

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BreezeSmokes RY4 is by far the best I have tried to date. I have tried a lot of them and his is certainly the best. I can't blame him for not giving out his recipe or any details of it and I see how it is also frustrating for the reviewer. I really like this thread however so I think we should send samples to be tried so that the supplier doesnt have to and so the reviewer doesnt have to spend out of pocket. I hope people dont look down on BreezeSmokes or any other supplier for being so offended. I assume they do get annoyed when so many legit and nonlegit "reviewers" must be contacting them all the time. Billherbst is almost always dead on in his reviews in my opinion and I really hope as a community we can start supplying him so he can continue this thread.
 

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I'm an absolute noob, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I do like BreezeSmokes' RY4. It's only the 3rd juice I've tried, but I love it. I've been vaping it nonstop since Friday morning. Will I burn out on it? Probably. Will I love it and sigh in contentment with every vape until then? You bet.
 

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Back in the day, Dekang created a series of juices named Ruyan #1, #2, #3, and #4, or just RY1-4 for short. RY4 was the crown of the line, sort of like the Chanel #5 of juices---a slightly-sweet concoction of caramel-vanilla-tobacco with some additional subtle flavors (no one knows for sure). For many vapers back then, RY4 was their all-day vape, the juice that helped them quit cigarettes.

Then, in mid-2010, Dekang's chemist left the company with some bad feeling, or so the story goes, taking with him his original formula for RY4, the ingredients and blending of which were apparently a big secret that only he knew. A new, ersatz RY4 was hastily formulated, but vapers quickly screamed that this knock-off RY4 was NOT the same. Ever since, every backyard juice alchemist from Shanghai to San Francisco and Beijing to Biloxi has been trying (apparently without success) to replicate the lost formula. Users throughout the vaping community bemoaned the loss of that fabled RY4, which has achieved almost mythic status in the year since its disappearance.
This is a billherbst quote from another thread. Personally, I wouldn't believe a thing that guy says.
 
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