The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[osmo]

First off, let me apologize to Bill for not posting on the RY4 he sent me... I have been sick and did not want to try his juice when everything tasted funny. Also Bill I will pm you tomorrow

Let me say, I usually hate net based, but I tried this one with an open mind... It is simply amazing! I have never liked a net, let alone loved one. It has a nice smokey taste with a beautifully blended sweet and sour to it. Right now I have this as a after dinner or special occasion vape since I such a small amount of it. If this was a retail juice I would have been placing an order for a larger amount right away! It has a nice, but not harsh throat hit. Some of the "designer" juice makers could learn quite a bit from this juice. It is not overly done with any of the ingredients, but the carmel stands out a little more then the other flavors to me, but not in a bad way. Uhm Bill... I gotta get some more of this!

 

[billherbst]

Anyone try the RY4 and KY4 from All About Vapor? I couldn't find much information using the search function.

RP,

I've never had any juices from All About Vapor. The vendor description for Our Y 4 uses the adjectives nutty and sweet. KY4 is apparently a retail Frankenblend made from Our Y 4 and AAV's Killer Cowboy---"cowboy" being universal vaping code for synthetic Marlboro-type tobacco flavoring. Since both juices are nutty, they're Custom RY4s. (Classic RY4s don't have nuts---at least I can't think of any that do.)

At only $2.95 for a 5ml bottle with $3 shipping, I might be willing to take one for the team on these and spend the nine bucks to get both of them for review. Unfortunately, my debit card was just hacked from some damned online vendor (second time that's happened to me in a year). The hackers actually made a physical card, which was used to pay for hotel rooms in Europe. Luckily, my bank flagged the charges as suspect and called me. We immediately cancelled the card, and I'll not be held liable for the bogus charges. Cyber-theft of credit and debit cards must be a huge "business"---I'll bet the annual losses from hacking are staggering. Anyway, with no debit card for three weeks, I'm limited to Paypal right now, so no ordering from AAV. Sorry.

Someone else will have to buy these and review them or send me samples and I'll review them.

 

[Jerms]

My debit card was hacked a few weeks ago too Bill, still waiting on a new card. It's funny, whenever I get a new car I suddenly see that model everywhere. Now I'm noticing people with hacked cards all the time since it happened to me. I was just chatting last night on pm with someone who that recently happened to, and of course I notice in the general forum a thread or three near the top about fraud almost all the time.

At the bank when I reported unauthorized withdrawals the teller asked if I lost my card. I said no but I do a lot of online shopping. I got a reaction from her that led me to believe they get that a LOT. Cyber theft is a huge racket indeed. Now I'm not surprised my card got hacked, with all my online shopping for the last few years I'm more surprised it's only happened once.

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[Cool_Breeze]

Greetings folks.

I've been out of town and away from the thread for about a week. It's good to catch up and read of the new developments with Skydancer RY4. 'Less rich' sounds good to me. I'll assume I'm on the list.

The 24 mg Skydancer RY4 v2b was a good companion on my drive.

 

[billherbst]

Greetings folks.

I've been out of town and away from the thread for about a week. It's good to catch up and read of the new developments with Skydancer RY4. 'Less rich' sounds good to me. I'll assume I'm on the list.

The 24 mg Skydancer RY4 v2b was a good companion on my drive.

Cool,

You're on the list, and your package is in the mail.

Yes, I felt that v2b was actually too rich, but it was necessary with the caramel and vanilla flavorings I used (Lorann Naturals Creamy Caramel and Capella French Vanilla), When I tried using less of those flavorings to cut down on the richness, the resulting juice didn't have enough of either.

v11 uses Nature's Flavors Organic flavorings, which are very creamy but not nearly as rich/intense as v2b's. v11 is a juice that's easy to vape a lot of. I'll bet people go through it much faster.

 

[passerbyeus]

Mr Vapes..I got this one in today its pretty good I really dont see how it tatse like Tribca no sausage here just a really nice RY4, no thrills and spills just straight up RY4 goodness. If I thought of anything else it reminds me of exactly like Beach Vapes RY4...

I like the fact that it tastes good, is reasonably priced, and I can buy it in quantity. I just compared it to Tribeca (my classic RY4 of choice). The caramel/vanilla are very similiar. I like the tobacco of Mr Vape better.

Yes, I would say an A- is a fair grade. It is not easy to climb to the peak of your list.

 

[AMBIE1984]

Eliquidmarket.com is where I get my dekang ry4 it's awesome cheap and tastes great to me I always think of cereal when I vape it

 

[midficollege]

Renegade is a fascinating juice. I'm getting a fair amount of the spicy tobacco flavor, but not much vanilla and almost no caramel.

Even so, I like it. It's spicy in a much more subtle way than other "peppery tobacco" juices I've tried before and it just works.

Is it an RY4, though? I can't say with any more certainty than "maybe". There's a certain RY4ishness to the back end of the exhale, but you have to really be paying attention to notice it.

 

[billherbst]

Renegade is a fascinating juice. I'm getting a fair amount of the spicy tobacco flavor, but not much vanilla and almost no caramel.

Even so, I like it. It's spicy in a much more subtle way than other "peppery tobacco" juices I've tried before and it just works.

Is it an RY4, though? I can't say with any more certainty than "maybe". There's a certain RY4ishness to the back end of the exhale, but you have to really be paying attention to notice it.

midfi,

I bought a 10ml bottle of NiteLiteVapor Renegade original formula back in May 2011, and in July 2011 I bought a 30ml bottle of the revised, richer formula. Gene also sent me two 30ml bottles free, presumably because I was an early supporter of NLV and on his "good guy" list---one in July 2011 and another in March 2012. That was during the period that NLV was enjoying its wild popularity run, before things got weird and some of us moved on.

I have to wonder if the Renegade I have (and reviewed) is the same juice as the Renegade you're vaping. Mine---in both the original formula and the kicked-up version---is a very typical Custom RY4. Nothing particularly unusual about it. A mild synthetic tobacco base, caramel, and vanilla. No nuts, no spiciness no extra flavors. I just topped up my carto of Renegade and vaped some again, to make sure it tasted the same as the Renegade I remember and reviewed in the original post of this thread. It did. That first review was the original formula, which was a bit lean, but the revised, kicked up version that appeared soon after had the same profile, just a bit more flavor. That's the version I just vaped again.

I sent one 30ml bottle to a friend (since I had three of them). I still have the other two. The one from July 2011 is labeled "Renegade RY-4" and is NLV's typical bright orange color. The other bottle, from 2012 and still unopened, is labeled just "Renegade" and is much darker in color, a deep auburn that's almost dark brown. As I recall, there was some discussion among NLV fans when RY-4 was dropped from the name.

OK, I just cracked open the bottle from March 2012 and atty-dripped some. It does taste different from my 2011 Renegade. Is the tobacco spicy? I don't know, exactly. Maybe. Something is clearly different in the flavor profile. This 2012 Renegade is a less typical RY4, so perhaps that's what you're vaping. My first reaction is to not like it nearly as much as the 2011 version.

Anything's possible, given all the changes NLV has gone through. When did you get your bottle of Renegade? What's the "born on" date on the label? What color is the liquid? Does the printed label say "Renegade RY-4" or just "Renegade"?

 

[billherbst]

Eliquidmarket.com is where I get my dekang ry4 it's awesome cheap and tastes great to me I always think of cereal when I vape it

I went to the eliquidmarket.com web site and confirmed that they sell Dekang juices (50ml for $10.95), but RY4 was not among the liquids listed for sale. Perhaps they're temporarily out of stock.

 

[midficollege]

Anything's possible, given all the changes NLV has gone through. When did you get your bottle of Renegade? What's the "born on" date on the label? What color is the liquid? Does the printed label say "Renegade RY-4" or just "Renegade"?

Just "Renegade". Got it today, with a "Born on:" date of 03/13. The color is much more "reddish" than dark brown. I figured it didn't necessarily need steeping, being 1-2 months old, but I'll try my best to space out the period of my vaping to get a feel for it over a longer period.

 

[On Target]

After reading the Hangdude's comments about Mr Vape's RY4, I had to order some. Tribeca is one of my favorites and I liked the idea of something similar at a reduced cost! My order arrived today and I immediatly loaded up a carto for a sample (I know it needs to steep more but I always sample new juices fresh). The Dude nailed it - the caramel and vanilla are of the same flavor profile as Tribeca and the tobacco is a little different. Right now I would grade it around a A- or B+ and I assume this will only get better. Thanks for the post Dude! Passer, thanks for your comments as well. You are right about this being a straight up RY4 - sometimes that is what I am craving. I think I have a new juice in my rotation for a while.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

A 10 mg bottle of Skydancer v11 arrived today. I loaded a fresh clearomizer and took a toke. "Apricot," my brain said. Apricot didn't continue in that same sense, though there does seem to be a certain earthy fruitiness to it. I do find the taste of v11 improved and a bit milder in its sweet punch(?), yet still has plenty of body. I think I'm pleased that Bill chose 50/50 for the mix.

I still have some v2b and may attempt a side-by-side comparison.

Bill has provided us with his recipe...we are blessed. While most of us wouldn't be able to recreate his Skydancer tobacco base flavoring, there are some DIY NET flavorings about.

Bill, for those of us who enjoy your contribution to the ejuice arts and might want to approximate it, is there a NET flavoring you might suggest?

Has someone experience with the relatively new kid on the block, MyVapeJuice that offers NET flavorings?

 

[clnire]

Can't wait to get home (will be home Monday). I should have my bottle of Skydancer RY4 and a free bottle of The Vapor Room Ginger's RY4 I won in a contest. Yea, I WON!!! Skydancer comes first... I love going home after business trips, I have special treats waiting this time!!

 

[billherbst]

A 10 mg bottle of Skydancer v11 arrived today. I loaded a fresh clearomizer and took a toke. "Apricot," my brain said. Apricot didn't continue in that same sense, though there does seem to be a certain earthy fruitiness to it.

I'd hazard a guess that the apricot or earthy fruit you're picking up comes from the interaction of Lorann Tart and Sour (which contains citric acid) with the Nature's Flavor's caramel, french vanilla, and/or bavarian cream. But then, the Skydancer extract is fairly earthy, so that may be involved too. At any rate, there's no actual fruit flavoring in v11 (or v2b, either).

Bill, for those of us who enjoy your contribution to the ejuice arts and might want to approximate it, is there a NET flavoring you might suggest? Has someone experience with the relatively new kid on the block, MyVapeJuice that offers NET flavorings?

Yes, MyVapeJuice is where I'd send folks who want to experiment. Diane---juicemistress and owner of MVJ---sells eight single-leaf NETs in extract form, and also the five MVJ NETs that are blended from the single-leaf extracts: My Hero, Savage, Rogue, Country Squire, and Wicked Wench. None of them is particularly "like" Skydancer, which is earthy, sweet, and smoky, so I couldn't recommend one MVJ extract over another, but any of the 13 tobacco-only extracts (as opposed to the various hybrid extracts, such as My Hero Vanilla or Country Squire Rum Raisin) would be good for a try with the Nature's Flavors Organic flavor concentrates.

MVJ is currently the only retail source for NETs in extract form, other than making your own macerated NETs, as I did with Skydancer.

I won't go so far as to say that "if I can do this, anyone can," but it's really not rocket science. With sufficient practice at DIY and experience with flavorings, many people could come up with juices as tasty as my efforts. Maybe even better.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Bill - You might check your '...linked here' link in your signature line. It's bringing me back to this page.

I was checking to ascertain if you have reviewed Rouge RY4 from MVJ.

It seems that MVJ extracts calculate to ~$0.17/ml in final juice. That figure is based on 20% of the final juice coming from the extract. That's roughly on par with Want2Vape's RY4.

 

[billherbst]

Bill - You might check your '...linked here' link in your signature line. It's bringing me back to this page

Cool,

When I right-click-and-hold on the "here" link in my sig, then select 'Open Link in New Window,' it takes me right to post #3619, the most recent update of The Big RY4 List. As it should. I don't know why it doesn't work for you.

 

[billherbst]

It seems that MVJ extracts calculate to ~$0.17/ml in final juice. That figure is based on 20% of the final juice coming from the extract. That's roughly on par with Want2Vape's RY4.

Cool,

I emailed Diane a while back asking what mix percentage of proprietary extract she used for MVJ's retail NET juices, and she replied, "25%." I've been using that 1:3 ratio to mix DIY juice from MVJ extracts.

Skydancer is a somewhat stronger extract. I mix it at 15% for simple blends, and 12.5% for RY4s, which contain 3-4 flavoring components besides tobacco.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Cool,

When I right-click-and-hold on the "here" link in my sig, then select 'Open Link in New Window,' it takes me right to post #3619, the most recent update of The Big RY4 List. As it should. I don't know why it doesn't work for you.

I'll try it with Safari sometime and see what happens.

 

[RPadTV]

Sniffing some Skydancer v11 right now and it smells completely different from its sister dancer. The combined fragrances are giving me a butterscotch-like smell. I want to drip some right now, but I totally overdosed on Korean BBQ and ingesting anything other than dirty Los Angeles air might make me explode.

On a side note, Janty Elixir is starting to grow on me. In the past weeks, I liked it considerably less than Janty DK and Janty Classic. While I still think it's a notch below those two RY4s, for some reason I'm enjoying it a bit more.