The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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mmm I am past due on my annual RY4 bottle. Which one should I get? A classic, or maybe this CCV version? Hmmmm.. I'm past due on batteries too. I need to order a couple AW350's and a couple AW650's if I wanna keep vaping. & Right now I only have one measly RBA up and running. So I'll need to get a few more rda's too. Can't wait to find a gold watch digging in my garden. oOOOo if I found a gold watch in my garden I could get all that stuff and maybe even a working metal detector to find more gold watches.

Plumes,

If that buried gold watch proves elusive, head for FastTech.com.

FastTech has the best prices (by far) for clone RBAs/RDAs. To say that FastTech's prices are deep discount is an understatement. All orders are shipped totally free---no minimums or other strings attached. While you're there, add a 30ml bottle of Hangsen RY4 to your order for only $4.22. Bada-bing-bada-boom.

I can't help with the AWs. I'd suggest trying Efests for about half the cost of AWs, but the current snafu with shipping batteries from China blows that option, for now at least.
 

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Plumes,

If that buried gold watch proves elusive, head for FastTech.com.

FastTech has the best prices (by far) for clone RBAs/RDAs. To say that FastTech's prices are deep discount is an understatement. All orders are shipped totally free---no minimums or other strings attached. While you're there, add a 30ml bottle of Hangsen RY4 to your order for only $4.22. Bada-bing-bada-boom.

I can't help with the AWs. I'd suggest trying Efests for about half the cost of AWs, but the current snafu with shipping batteries from China blows that option, for now at least.

Of course I just made my order for liquid a day (or so) ago. Oh, of course!

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FWIW, I highly recommend the Sony VTC3 (30 amp) or Samsung INR 20-R for mechanicals if you're a sub-ohm vaper. Otherwise, the Panasonic NCR18650PD is the way to go (2,900 mah, 10 amp). All three batteries are available for around half of what AM IMRs go for from most online vendors. Though the current shipping situation in China could be problematic, as Bill mentioned.
 

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Due to the price, I ordered the Samsung INR 20-R from FastTech a week ago. I don't know if it was the measly discount code or not, but this is the first order I've made from them that did not have a tracking number. I've never been so unsure of a shipment arriving.

I never ever go below 0.8 ohms, making the Panasonic NCR18650PD the best batteries I own. I also recommend them, as long as you're not pushing half an ohm. Excellent battery life.
 

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I don't even go below 1.5 ohms for the most part on my rebuildables. :p But AW batteries are pretty ridiculously expensive which is why I only have 2 of each size that I use in all my mods. And my main 2 (18350s that I use in my provari and my mechanicals) are getting up there in age. I own a couple Efest 14500s but they don't hold a good voltage as long as the AWs so I've been hesitant to buy more in the larger sizes. (although since 14500s drop their voltage so fast anyway, there might be a marked improvement in the Efest 18xxx's)

As for china RY4 I love dekang. Cant remember if I've tried Hangseng's RY4. I'd have to go digging through my empty bottle bin to find out. But Fasttech sounds like a good place to go for a RY4 craving so long as I can wait till it gets here. Neeed some. RY4 has always been and probably always will be my favorite juice flavor. (besides BWB juices which may as well be ferrari's/mercedes) Must hoard money for some new stuff!!!
 

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This isn’t a review, for reasons that will soon become clear.

Recently I read on ECF about a vendor I hadn’t heard of previously---HeartlandVapes in Oklahoma City---offering high-quality liquid nicotine at very attractive prices. $74.99 for a liter of 100mg/ml liquid nic is the best retail price I’ve seen anywhere, literally less than half what some vendors charge for that quantity.

So, I put a liter of it in my cart. I needed one penny more to qualify for "Free Shipping for orders over $75" and save $8.50 in postage, so I looked around the site to see what inexpensive item I might add to my cart to put my total over the top. Aha! There it was! A 5ml bottle of HY4 (Heartland’s version of RY4) was only $1.99. Another RY4 to review and add to The Big RY4 List. I added the HY4 to my cart and checked out.

Cut to yesterday. My big box had arrived. I’d checked out the liquid nic (which turned out to be as good as any liquid nic I've used) and written a review for the Nicotine Comparisons thread, and then it was time to try the HY4 and write a review of that.

I did my usual atty-drip test and was very impressed. Wow. HY4 turns out to be a rarity---an American-made RY4 with a Classic profile, which are about as common as hen’s teeth. (Almost all American-made RY4s are Custom.) On top of that, HY4 is a really great Classic RY4 to boot! Totally delicious. As I got ready to write the review, however, I ran up against two problems.

First, while the HeartlandVapes site states that their juices are "Made in the USA," that’s all they say. Nothing about whether the juices are created and made in-house or if they’re totally or partially outsourced. Totally outsourced would mean that a juice manufacturer makes the juice---presumably to Heartland’s recipe and spec, although that's not always the case---then bottles it, labels the bottles, and ships the finished bottles of juice to Heartland. Partial out-sourcing would imply that the flavorings for each juice are mixed elsewhere, then shipped to Heartland, which fills every order individually by adding bases and liquid nic and bottling the juice before adding their own printed labels. That's also common practice among numerous juice vendors.

I don’t usually care much about such behind-the-scenes business practices, but I care this time because HY4 reminds me very much of another Classic RY4 I’ve had. Unfortunately, I can’t remember which RY4 that was. [When you have 140 RY4s, as I do, remembering how each one tastes is practically impossible.] So, that’s the first problem. Is this an RY4 that I’ve already vaped? Or at least very close to one I’ve had? I comparison-vaped 10 or so other RY4s that seemed likely as possible suspects, but alas, none was a close match.

I went to the HeartlandVapes site to see if anything else was written that might give me a clue, and that’s when I discovered the second problem. All the bottled juices (in 5, 10, 18, or 30ml bottles) are now marked “Wholesale Customers Only---20 bottle minimum.” There’s not even an “Add to Cart” button. Apparently, the customer has to call or send an email inquiry to order Heartland's bottled eliquids.

OK, what gives? Why was I---a humble retail customer---able to order a 5ml bottle of HY4 ten days ago? Did HeartlandVapes stop selling retail juice last week? Did my single 5ml bottle hassle Heartland so much that they gave up on retail juice sales entirely? I don’t know. I did notice that “Bulk E-Liquid” could still be ordered by a regular customer (with an “Add to Cart” button and everything), but the smallest quantity was 250mls for $28.99. Now, that’s a great price (12¢/ml), and the unit cost is even cheaper for larger quantities---a full liter of HY4 or any other juice Heartland sells is $74.99 or 7¢/ml---but I’m not going to review any RY4 where people have to purchase 250mls of it, much less put that juice on The Big RY4 List.

I suppose I could call HeartlandVapes and ask, but I don’t do that. My investigative reporting is limited to Google searches and reading online. One bad experience on the phone in 2010 with a whacko paranoid vendor who went ballistic and actually threatened me just for asking innocent questions was unpleasant enough to put me off ever doing that again.

So, the upshot is that this is not a review. All I can say is that HeartlandVapes HY4 is another superb RY4 that---like certain discontinued retail RY4s and most home-made DIY RY4s---cannot be obtained, at least not without jumping through hoops.
 

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Hahaha, thanks Bill, I just ordered a litre of that nicotine Last night, browsed at the pre-mixed juices, and they were a 20 bottle minimum. The Flavor extracts are a minimum 4oz bottle, and range from $5.00 for Coconut, to $19.60 for Flue-Cured (TFA), I didn't see HY4 offered but they had RY4 Double (TFA), 4oz @$8.00.

I'm thinking about getting some PG & VG and a couple of extracts from them, what I don't use I could endow to my boy :laugh: or make a killing in the Black Market :vapor:
 
I did my usual atty-drip test and was very impressed.
I'm sorry if asked before, but it's hard to keep up on this massive topic.
What is this atomizer drip test you mention?
Also, out of curiosity, when you do your tests, do you use the exact same setup for all of them, or that changes? (and what would be that or the average particular setup?).

I ask because I tried Hangsen's RY4 sold at FastTech today (didn't remember I had ordered that), and I'm not sure if they mixed up the order or what but it tastes awful. So much that Imma put it in the bin now. But the point is, I tried it with a new tank I hadn't tested so far, so I don't know if that had any influence on the result (and now I don't want my Victory Tank to ever touch that eLiquid, so that's why I'm binning it).
 

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I'm sorry if asked before, but it's hard to keep up on this massive topic.
What is this atomizer drip test you mention?
Also, out of curiosity, when you do your tests, do you use the exact same setup for all of them, or that changes? (and what would be that or the average particular setup?).

I ask because I tried Hangsen's RY4 sold at FastTech today (didn't remember I had ordered that), and I'm not sure if they mixed up the order or what but it tastes awful. So much that Imma put it in the bin now. But the point is, I tried it with a new tank I hadn't tested so far, so I don't know if that had any influence on the result (and now I don't want my Victory Tank to ever touch that eLiquid, so that's why I'm binning it).

It's simple. "Atty-drip test" just means that the way I vaped the reviewed liquid was by dripping into an atomizer, rather than loaded into a carto, clearo, or tank. In this case, it was a 2.2 ohm JoyeTech SR510 atty powered by a VAMO set to 7.5 watts RMS.

No, I don't have one particular vaping setup for reviews, which is why I specify at the end of the opening "specs" section of each review the hardware I used to vape the liquid.

Taste may be subjective, but---if you've vaped numerous RY4s and liked them---Hangsen RY4 does not taste awful. Something is wrong. I have no idea what, but something is amiss. For whatever it's worth, FastTech doesn't mix or bottle any juices. FastTech sells only pre-mixed, pre-bottled juices from the various manufacturers (perhaps through wholesalers, but without any alteration).
 

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....Taste may be subjective, but---if you've vaped numerous RY4s and liked them---Hangsen RY4 does not taste awful. Something is wrong. I have no idea what, but something is amiss. For whatever it's worth, FastTech doesn't mix or bottle any juices. FastTech sells only pre-mixed, pre-bottled juices from the various manufacturers (perhaps through wholesalers, but without any alteration).

Bill, if you recall my comments on the one I tried - minty? perhaps a contamination of equipment from a prior run of another flavor.... it's happened before... a while ago there was a run of ruyan #4 that was 'bad'. We (users here) were able to document the exact dates - reported to heaven gifts, health cabin... I'm sure it got back to dekang. Next batch was fine.
 

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Why did BWB take their RY4 off of the website? Was it really causing that many problems? I don't understand why they couldn't develop one now that the heat has been taken off of them.

I don't recall exactly the last time RY4 was available on the BWB site---May 2012?

Don could no longer obtain a couple of the flavorings in his RY4, and, since he couldn't find suitable substitutes, he discontinued the juice rather than changing the flavor profile. That was announced back in April 2012.

I have vague memories of Don posting something on the BWB supplier thread about offering BWB occasionally when and if he could get the flavorings, and that did occur once in May 2012, but I don't know if it ever happened again. Even though the juice was unavailable, did the product page for RY4 remain on the site until recently?
 

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No, it wasnt up. I'm just a little fan of BWB juices and I was wondering why I've seen BWB RY4 for sale in the classys at high prices, but BWB has never put RY4 back on their website. i knew it was supply issues but i wanted to see if anyone knew why they have never resolved the supply issues. thanks man.
 

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No, it wasnt up. I'm just a little fan of BWB juices and I was wondering why I've seen BWB RY4 for sale in the classys at high prices, but BWB has never put RY4 back on their website. i knew it was supply issues but i wanted to see if anyone knew why they have never resolved the supply issues. thanks man.

This is only a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that the flavoring company that Don was using for his RY4 ingredients stopped making one or more of the flavorings. That's still technically a "supply problem," but one that's more terminal than just having trouble getting sufficient product to make enough juice to meet the customer demand.
 

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"In response to the comments added to this article:

We are looking at alternatives to RY4 and Ejoker. The ingredients for the originals, as many of you know, are no longer available. This is a difficult task and will take time. It has always been our desire to have them be available at all times. Hopefully with the reformulation this can happen."

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And the cavalry comes to the rescue in the nick of time...

Thanks, Kent! I stopped thinking about BWB RY4 even before it was discontinued, but it's nice to know the definitive skinny.

I had tried it a while back.... it was good but my 'standard' has ruined many RY4's for me. :unsure: Looking at some of the old blurbs - it appears the 'vanilla' part was special - wondering if that was the part Don could no longer get?? Ejoker was discontinued at the time as well and some reviews noted vanilla, cinnamon and a hint of menthol on top of the tobacco.
 

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I have about 10ml of BWB's RY4 from March 2012. Will be trying it soon, after knocking down my current rotation more. First thing will be to get past it's reputation and judge the juice without the hype getting in the way. It's very rare for a juice to wow me on first vape, though it has happened a couple times. I think people often get let down by a hyped juice when the first vape isn't.. OMG best thing ever! If it doesn't wow me, it's got 10ml to prove itself to me, just hope I don't fall in love with 1ml left lol; unless of course it does become available again.

Reading the vanilla is a big part of what makes it great is good news for me; I loves me some vanilla. My expectations are pretty high, maybe not a fair mindset to enter into a juice, but cmon.. it's BWB's famous, hard to get when it was available, now discontinued and almost impossible to get, best RY4 ever according to some. With that, even really good could be a disappointment.

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