The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Bill I've been vaping the ECBlend Spicy RY4 almost exclusively for the past three days, this stuff is great! I said there might be cocoa in here but it might just be more caramel than the regular RY4 with some sort of pepper (I say Aleppo but it could be Cayenne or something else). It's not spicy by the classic definition of the word, but it's got a little bite to it. Big fan. :thumb:
 

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Bill I've been vaping the ECBlend Spicy RY4 almost exclusively for the past three days, this stuff is great! I said there might be cocoa in here but it might just be more caramel than the regular RY4 with some sort of pepper (I say Aleppo but it could be Cayenne or something else). It's not spicy by the classic definition of the word, but it's got a little bite to it. Big fan. :thumb:

Lomba,

When I initially ordered a 5ml sample bottle of Spicy RY4 last June, the page had no customer reviews, so I assumed that Spicy RY4 was a relatively new offering from ECB. I just checked the product page again, and still no customer reviews six months later.

Maybe you and I are the only people who like Spicy RY4. LOL.
 

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Just got some Joyetech RY4 (in PG) and it holds up to Bill's A- rating, for my palate. It tends toward the older Janty/Joye line flavor (although without the pinecone musky note of the original '08/'09 Janty), rather than the sweeter (more caramel/vanilla cream) Ruyan #4 notes from Dekang.

That's my main differentiation of the what I'd call the 'classic' line since they were the only two RY4/Ruyan #4 at the time.... :D That soon changed where some US vendors started tweaking the dekang version mainly. Nhaler's was rather a good tweak. Puresmoker's Riskee Yuice even better for some - this one may have been a tweak of the Janty/Joye line. Dolce/Dulcis another good one.

One thing noted is that there is that what I'll call 'bitter' note in some RY4's. Just a bit of it adds to the whole picture (adds complexity by firing up those 'bitter buds' as well) and that is the case with the Joyetech RY4. In the C and below grades, for me anyway, it becomes an old 'celery' loaded with chlorophyll taste - and again, for me, unvapable.
 

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Anyone tried the J55 or the JY4 from Roar vapor ?

I'm trying out Roar's JY4 right now. Tastes like rose soap. Very floral, very air freshener-like, a slight nutty flavor buried under the rose petals.

This is the first that I've tried of Roar Vapor. This was PIF'd to me. I've noticed from the other Roar liquids that were included in the PIF's a nutty quality, and a floralness to most of the flavors. Not my thing.
 

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I'm trying out Roar's JY4 right now. Tastes like rose soap. Very floral, very air freshener-like, a slight nutty flavor buried under the rose petals.

This is the first that I've tried of Roar Vapor. This was PIF'd to me. I've noticed from the other Roar liquids that were included in the PIF's a nutty quality, and a floralness to most of the flavors. Not my thing.

Jefsview, thanks for chiming in and responding to Jay-mo's question.

I haven't had any of RoarVapor's juices personally, because I've read too many posts that echo yours. I've been to the Roar web site numerous times, but never felt certain enough that I'd like any of the liquids to put anything in a cart and pull the trigger.

In other news, I visited the NicoTicket site today thinking I might pop for a bottle of H1N1, since it's a "sort-of" RY4, or Custard's Last Stand, since vanilla custard is all the rage these days. I liked the way descriptions on the site speak to experienced and knowledgeable vapers, but I didn't order anything.

NicoTicket's description states that H1N1 isn't really an RY4. Also, I don't need Grant, Bryce, or Nicoticket to make vanilla custard for me. I can DIY that for myself. Capella makes a very good Vanilla Custard flavoring. Adding just a bit of Capella Butter and French Vanilla, and maybe a smidgen of Nature's Flavors Dulce de Leche and Egg Nog flavorings should get me close to those popular retail versions.
 

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Jefsview, thanks for chiming in and responding to Jay-mo's question.

I haven't had any of RoarVapor's juices personally, because I've read too many posts that echo yours. I've been to the Roar web site numerous times, but never felt certain enough that I'd like any of the liquids to put anything in a cart and pull the trigger.

In other news, I visited the NicoTicket site today thinking I might pop for a bottle of H1N1, since it's a "sort-of" RY4, or Custard's Last Stand, since vanilla custard is all the rage these days. I liked the way descriptions on the site speak to experienced and knowledgeable vapers, but I didn't order anything.

NicoTicket's description states that H1N1 isn't really an RY4. Also, I don't need Grant, Bryce, or Nicoticket to make vanilla custard for me. I can DIY that for myself. Capella makes a very good Vanilla Custard flavoring. Adding just a bit of Capella Butter and French Vanilla, and maybe a smidgen of Nature's Flavors Dulce de Leche and Egg Nog flavorings should get me close to those popular retail versions.

The description, along with flavor notes during the steeping, is spot on for H1N1. And it does changes notes while vaping as well. It is definitely an exquisite eliquid, and worth at least a sampling. It is clearly more of the dessert-like with light tobacco, but it is enjoyable. Nutty isn't in my flavor profile, yet I keep going back to my small sample at least once a month. I think you would appreciate the complexity, bill.
 

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The description, along with flavor notes during the steeping, is spot on for H1N1. And it does changes notes while vaping as well. It is definitely an exquisite eliquid, and worth at least a sampling. It is clearly more of the dessert-like with light tobacco, but it is enjoyable. Nutty isn't in my flavor profile, yet I keep going back to my small sample at least once a month. I think you would appreciate the complexity, bill.

I agree with these sentiments. I'm liking it more as it ages, the tobacco comes forward and the sweetness backs off.

Even though it's not an RY4, I'd suggest it in general to RY4 fans. Mainly those who like them very custom and with a nutty element.
 

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I have tried Nicoticket CLS and Creme Brulee. Both wonderful flavors (I like the Creme Brulee better), but as Bill states, not something I can't DIY close enough for my own satisfaction. I have not tried the H1N1, but the more I read, the more curious I become. Only thing that scares me off is the "nutty" part. I just might have to take the plunge and try it myself :)

On a side note, I received a bottle of SteamJuice Toasted RY4 along with an order for Steve's Jerry's Juice as a gift. Humm. not sure how to review but I am really liking it. Custom, yes!, but in a very pleasant way. Balanced, no caramel, vanilla or tobacco scream, but the "toasted"? kind of a toasted marshmallow hint? Not sweet, not nutty (I don't seem to like nutty), but intriguing to me. I will order some with my next order for Jerry's Juice, but I am thinking to request a sample of Toasted to send to Bill for a real review.... if anyone has tried it and can post an opinion, I would appreciate it because I am not sure what it is I like. Other RY4s I used to like have become meh as time goes by as I develop my love of a good classic RY4.

As for Mr Vape? I have another shout out for them. I won the latest Mad Lib contest and put in my request (Peach Cobbler, I have 60 ml of RY4). The one day it should have been delivered our incoming mail was stolen. Yes! Monday the mailman was so late (not our regular guy who has been our mailman out here in the sticks of North Central Florida for over 10 years and watches our mail with our travels). At 7 pm when it was dark, cold and rainy, the flag was still up for outgoing mail. Tues am the flag was down so I went to check the mail. Box was empty, suspicious boot tracks around the mailbox, found ripped open envelopes in the woods across the street and 2 piles of neighborhood mail burnt in the dirt road. Police and Post office notified but I feared my beloved Peach Cobbler was gone because of history with Mr Vape shipping. We have lived here over 10 years. We travel with our business most of the year. If we don't stop the mail in time, a days mail may sit in the box for weeks but it has always been there when we get home. This one and only time the mail man was so late, our mail is stolen along with others in the neighborhood. I contacted Cameron and since he and Tommy agree it was probably among the missing, they are sending me another bottle! Now THAT is customer service!

OK, I am finished babbling.... back to regular RY4 programming....
 

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I have tried Nicoticket CLS and Creme Brulee. Both wonderful flavors (I like the Creme Brulee better), but as Bill states, not something I can't DIY close enough for my own satisfaction. I have not tried the H1N1, but the more I read, the more curious I become. Only thing that scares me off is the "nutty" part. I just might have to take the plunge and try it myself :)

Many of the NETizens on the Natural Tobaccos thread like H1N1. And you have much company in not being drawn to nutty vapes. Personally, I like nutty eliquids, but lots of people don't.

I received a bottle of SteamJuice Toasted RY4 along with an order for Steve's Jerry's Juice as a gift. Humm. not sure how to review but I am really liking it. Custom, yes!, but in a very pleasant way. Balanced, no caramel, vanilla or tobacco scream, but the "toasted"? kind of a toasted marshmallow hint? Not sweet, not nutty (I don't seem to like nutty), but intriguing to me. I will order some with my next order for Jerry's Juice, but I am thinking to request a sample of Toasted to send to Bill for a real review.... if anyone has tried it and can post an opinion, I would appreciate it because I am not sure what it is I like. Other RY4s I used to like have become meh as time goes by as I develop my love of a good classic RY4.

Many of the posts I read back when I started vaping in 2010 concerning the "lost" Dekang RY4 by people who loved that juice and lamented its loss stated that the "lost" (i.e., stolen) Dekang RY4 contained little if any caramel and vanilla and, instead, used cotton candy or toasted marshmallow flavoring. These days I assume that was due to Dekang tweaking the original Janty formula to move their RY4 closer to the mythic 2005-2006 Ruyan 4 juice, which I understand to have been a sweet tobacco blend.

As for Mr Vape? I have another shout out for them. I won the latest Mad Lib contest and put in my request (Peach Cobbler, I have 60 ml of RY4). The one day it should have been delivered our incoming mail was stolen. Yes! Monday the mailman was so late (not our regular guy who has been our mailman out here in the sticks of North Central Florida for over 10 years and watches our mail with our travels). At 7 pm when it was dark, cold and rainy, the flag was still up for outgoing mail. Tues am the flag was down so I went to check the mail. Box was empty, suspicious boot tracks around the mailbox, found ripped open envelopes in the woods across the street and 2 piles of neighborhood mail burnt in the dirt road. Police and Post office notified but I feared my beloved Peach Cobbler was gone because of history with Mr Vape shipping. We have lived here over 10 years. We travel with our business most of the year. If we don't stop the mail in time, a days mail may sit in the box for weeks but it has always been there when we get home. This one and only time the mail man was so late, our mail is stolen along with others in the neighborhood. I contacted Cameron and since he and Tommy agree it was probably among the missing, they are sending me another bottle! Now THAT is customer service!

With one or two egregious exceptions, all my dealings with vendors have been exemplary. I'm impressed at how far most vendors will go to make sure their customers are pleased, often replacing products that were lost or damaged through no fault of their own. That's part of what I love about being a vaper during the childhood and adolescence of vaping. The impersonality of the corporate world hasn't yet taken over---vaping is still as much a community as a marketplace, and vendors are still primarily mom&pop small businesses. Sure, that will gradually change as the money to be made on vaping increases, but for now the vaping community remains one of the happier families in both the real and virtual universes.

I laugh/sneer when I see ads on mainstream television for stuff like Blu ecigs and the like that are fishing in the mass consumer ocean, hoping to catch smokers looking to quit. The ecigs in those ads are always overpriced, anemic, cigarette-look-alike starter kits. When A-list celebrities begin hawking ecigs, we'll know that the Golden Age of Vaping is coming to an end. Happily, that's still some years away.

In the meantime, striking generosity continues to be a hallmark of customer service with so many vendors. Yes, I realize that these people are indeed running businesses, but I have no problem with commerce or making a profit. I just have trouble with corporate pod-people who've been body-snatched and replaced with clones that are programmed to care only about money, despite their endless public relations campaigns to convince us otherwise.
 

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I have tried Nicoticket CLS and Creme Brulee. Both wonderful flavors (I like the Creme Brulee better), but as Bill states, not something I can't DIY close enough for my own satisfaction. I have not tried the H1N1, but the more I read, the more curious I become. Only thing that scares me off is the "nutty" part. I just might have to take the plunge and try it myself :)

On a side note, I received a bottle of SteamJuice Toasted RY4 along with an order for Steve's Jerry's Juice as a gift. Humm. not sure how to review but I am really liking it. Custom, yes!, but in a very pleasant way. Balanced, no caramel, vanilla or tobacco scream, but the "toasted"? kind of a toasted marshmallow hint? Not sweet, not nutty (I don't seem to like nutty), but intriguing to me. I will order some with my next order for Jerry's Juice, but I am thinking to request a sample of Toasted to send to Bill for a real review.... if anyone has tried it and can post an opinion, I would appreciate it because I am not sure what it is I like. Other RY4s I used to like have become meh as time goes by as I develop my love of a good classic RY4.

As for Mr Vape? I have another shout out for them. I won the latest Mad Lib contest and put in my request (Peach Cobbler, I have 60 ml of RY4). The one day it should have been delivered our incoming mail was stolen. Yes! Monday the mailman was so late (not our regular guy who has been our mailman out here in the sticks of North Central Florida for over 10 years and watches our mail with our travels). At 7 pm when it was dark, cold and rainy, the flag was still up for outgoing mail. Tues am the flag was down so I went to check the mail. Box was empty, suspicious boot tracks around the mailbox, found ripped open envelopes in the woods across the street and 2 piles of neighborhood mail burnt in the dirt road. Police and Post office notified but I feared my beloved Peach Cobbler was gone because of history with Mr Vape shipping. We have lived here over 10 years. We travel with our business most of the year. If we don't stop the mail in time, a days mail may sit in the box for weeks but it has always been there when we get home. This one and only time the mail man was so late, our mail is stolen along with others in the neighborhood. I contacted Cameron and since he and Tommy agree it was probably among the missing, they are sending me another bottle! Now THAT is customer service!

OK, I am finished babbling.... back to regular RY4 programming....

I haven't tried it, but I was so tempted to order a 120ml of it during their holiday sales. There was a short thread in the General Elquid discussion forum about Steam Juice, and most everyone who tried their liquids said they were good, but a bit muted on flavor (ask for the flavor boost in your order notes). Glad to know that there wasn't a nutty component to the "toasted" part. Next time they have a sale, I'll grab a mini-jug :)
 

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Mountain Oak Vapor has acknowledged that Full Virignia Flake RY4 may have diacetyl. The company is offering exchanges for anyone not comfortable vaping this juice.

So great that you discovered this and posted to ECF Raymond. MOV is a great vendor and needs their customers to support them.

From their facebook page:
... As a company, we have always been open and honest about everything. So at this time we'd like to issue a general warning announcement. While all of these E-Liquids were not tested, they do share the same Caramel flavoring as the E-Liquid which was tested.

FULL VIRGINIA FLAKE RY4
CHAI TEA LATTE
CARAMELA
GAMBLER

If you currently have any of these bottles and are not comfortable with vaping them, you may return them to Mountain Oak Vapors for an exchange. Please email administrator@mountainoakvapors.com to arrange this...

I have 3 of 4 of these. but will not be sending them back for replacement. MOV may not be able to reproduce these accurately enough to satisfy those of us that love the current versions. I'm not giving up some of my ADV stash for unknown, yet to be, could be markedly different replacements.
My Caramela is getting low and only yesterday was thinking of putting an order together. Oh well, time to place it in special reserve and go to FVFRY4 until my 50+ ml diminishes to current Caramela level.

I pays my money and I takes my chances. Vape On! :D
 
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That is an excellent question. AEMSA's advocacy efforts are easy to see, but I do wonder what its member standards are.

In querying MOV, I'm told they are an 'un-certified member' of AEMSA. I've now asked if their testing is being performed as a part of becoming AEMSA certified.

...getting a little of topic here.
 

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So great that you discovered this and posted to ECF Raymond. MOV is a great vendor and needs their customers to support them.

From their facebook page:


I have 3 of 4 of these. but will not be sending them back for replacement. MOV may not be able to reproduce these accurately enough to satisfy those of us that love the current versions. I'm not giving up some of my ADV stash for unknown, yet to be, could be markedly different replacements.
My Caramela is getting low and only yesterday was thinking of putting an order together. Oh well, time to place it in special reserve and go to FVFRY4 until my 50+ ml diminishes to current Caramela level.

I pays my money and I takes my chances. Vape On! :D

Vape at your own risk...Here is my problem with this whole thing. Had MOV made this announcement two years ago, or even last year, I could understand. Vapors have known about diacetyl risks for years now. The damage it causes is irreversible; lung tissue does NOT regenerate. Do you think MOV just learned about these diacetyl risks?

You say it's time for MOV customers to gather around and support them. I disagree! MOV should have cared enough about their customers to test their caramel/butter flavors a long time ago. Their disinterest in "doing the right thing" exposed their customers to serious health risks! MOV's Facebook announcement down plays the situation, but I assure you... this is serious negligence on their part. It seems like many of their loyal customers on FB are forgiving, but not me! They have no business making eliquid if they were unaware of the diacetyl risk. Here's the million dollar question: were they really that disconnected from their business, or did they just not care?

My guess is- they had their components tested only because of the upcoming FDA regs. I won't be buying RY4 or anything else from MOV ever again...
 
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If you are on Facebook, check MOV's page. Full disclosure and comments posted on January 4, 2014. Looks to me to be suspicious, yes, but they are trying to clear the air and be honest with their customers. I contacted Spinfuel Magazine since they awarded MOV's Chai Tea Latte a Spinfuel Choice Award, and they are going to look into it. I am not panicking yet, but thanks for the heads up! We need to keep each other aware of findings like this.
 

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specs: The 15ml bottle of RWhy4 I purchased from TheVapeTree contains an amber-colored transparent liquid at 18mg nic strength in a 60/40 PG/VG base. Nose of the liquid is gentle and pleasing. Testing was done by dripping into a JoyeTech 510 standard 2.3 ohm atomizer powered by a VAMO set to 9 watts RMS.

The description of RWhy4 from TheVapeTree product page states:

“The Classic RY4 taste with enhancements for a full flavored vape.”

OK, Classic RY4 taste I understand. What are the enhancements? Pixie dust, maybe? Unicorn milk? An included U.S. Savings Bond? I don’t know.

As much as I like Glassmanoak, the owner and juicemaster of TheVapeTree, my first comment has to be that his RWhy4 does not have a Classic RY4 flavor profile. Not even close. It’s Custom all the way. But then, once we see the word “enhancements,” we can be pretty sure that we’re leaving the Classic state of RY4 Land and entering Custom territory.

In fact, this juice is so Custom that my initial reaction upon vaping it is to wonder if it’s an RY4 at all. If it is, it lives right on the boundary, straddling RY4 Land with Somewhere Else, much like some small town whose Main Street is a state boundary between, say, Montana and Wyoming, or Alabama and Mississippi, where what state you’re in depends on which side of the street you’re on.

RWhy4 is a very well-blended juice with an interesting flavor that the majority of vapers would probably judge as good or nice or pleasant. I doubt that anyone would call it spectacular, but then, you never know with vapers---someone might. Does Rwhy4 contain the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla? Maybe. Perhaps even probably, but I can’t tell for sure because of the other, more exotic flavor “enhancements.” My brain struggles to define those other flavors and comes up only with the inadequate word “fruity.” That word is inadequate because it calls up sense memories of raspberry or apple, and those basic fruit flavors are far more singular and well-defined than what I’m tasting.

No, this is more like Mangosteen, as in TheVapeTree’s exotic fruit blend, Pinoy Punch. But even that is more definite than my taste buds can truly pin down and might be dead wrong for all I know. All I can say for sure is that the “enhancements” in RWhy4 taste to me like a bunch of very subtle fruit flavors blended together, and then mixed with an RY4. Unfortunately, I can no longer taste the RY4.

This is a trend I’ve noticed recently: Using RY4 as a base, then adding other flavors to it that are unrelated to tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Numerous vendors are doing this now, spinning off RY4 into “unusual” retail juices. I've been to three such sites in the past week, and I can state for the record that I’m not a fan of the trend. No, I’m not a diehard traditionalist---I like many Custom RY4s and can’t even say that I prefer Classic to Custom. It’s just that when I vape RY4, I want it to taste like RY4, at least within reason. I don’t want it morphed into Something Else. Strawberry RY4? No thanks, at least not for me.

Basically, RWhy4 is a pretty tasty juice (if you like the subtle presence of fruitiness) with ample flavor, as promised. It’s just not a very good RY4.

TheVapeTree RWhy4 grade: C- (I want to give it a D, but I won’t, since it’s not a bad juice taken on its own merits)

link to purchase: RWhy4 from TheVapeTree
 
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