The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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My question is this, who has tried the Dekang from ecig express RY4 and whos is the most comparable? Again if i missed it or just did not go far enough my apologies.

NoMo,

I haven't tried the Dekang RY4 from ecig express, but---if that's pre-mixed RY4 (meaning that ecig express gets it ready-made as opposed to mixing the liquid in-house fresh-to-order)---it's a fairly good bet that it's exactly the same juice as Madvapes pre-mix Dekang RY4 in the 50ml bottles, which has been reviewed here. I tend to think of that Dekang RY4 as the "reference standard" against which I measure other RY4s. Good stuff.

Madvapes RY4 50 ml, 24mg

Ecig Express also sells "Our 4," a USA-made High Caliber juice. I've just written the review for that one and am giving it one more day of testing before posting the review and adding Our 4 to the rankings/categories.
 

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Bill, you meant washvap on this, not me.

Sorry about that, Ceegary---just more brain damage on my part. However, if it stimulated you to leave the rest of your post, I'm happy to have made the error, since I always like what you have to say.

I really like VS4. Some juice suppliers replicate their flavors with expensive machinery that dispenses precise measurements of each component and it's unlikely their batches would vary. VS is made in India, not sure of the QC there but I've never noticed a difference in the few different bottles of the same flavor I've vaped from them. They do have a distinctive base, such as Halo, BWB, AVE & KBV for eg, and not everyone likes those bases and will effect their thoughts on a particular juice.

I did get some fairly acrid juices from one well-known supplier and they answered my post, indignant at the concept of a "bad batch", saying they'd heard that from customers but it doesn't really happen. Airing out the bottles and letting them sleep for a couple of weeks did change the juice and solve the issue, though the suppliers had offered to work with me.

Yes, my guess is that the "bad batch" thing is more myth than fact---occasionally true, but more often not.

If you've got juices you're never going to vape again, may I suggest placing them in the PIF thread...either http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-you-must-read-rules-before-posting-here.html where you can pick up stuff you like first or just gift them here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-you-must-read-rules-before-posting-here.html

I tell myself that I'm going to have a huge juice garage sale in the Classifieds one of these days, but even though I have an extensive database of every juice I've ever bought, it's just been too much trouble to get my act together. PIF and/or Treasure Chest are good ideas also. Just a question of my getting up the gumption to organize it.

I too had ordered from Brad Smith and the thing to add is that a group of ECFers got together to accept donations, build some mods and get some juice out to those who weren't able to reclaim their $ from Paypal, (I was able to reclaim). What a superb pontification of how great this board is!!!

I didn't attempt to "reclaim" my lost bucks, but that was my choice. My assumption (unproven) was that Brad Smith suffered some sort of family trauma/PTSD thing and went bonkers. And the Forum sure did rise to the occasion generously.

I have no idea what the deal is with Ozark Fresh. I don't wish to be part of an angry mob (innocent until proven guilty and all that), but I feel an allegiance to ECF members and decided that some action was called for on my part.

When the Brad Smith weirdness went down, I wasn't upset with the people who left positive posts about Brad's mods and juice before he flipped out. They had no way of knowing that he would go AWOL. I feel the same about my review of Ozark Fresh RY4. In hindsight, I may have been overly enthusiastic in my praise, but I had no way of knowing that the vendor would subsequently get weird. Still, I don't want anyone else to have trouble or get burned.
 

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I support your position with Ozark. One of the posters who'd steered people to Brad Smith was the organizer for the "rescue mission" though he certainly wasn't culpable, not knowing how something will turn out in the future is not one's fault. When problems do surface, THEN it's the right thing to point it out to help prevent others from suffering and not continue to praise them.
 

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im really hopping my Prime Vaping will arrive tomorrow. im really looking forward to trying their PV4 (and other flavors). all the orders i placed on the same day arrived today so there is a good chance it will be.

i also got a shipping notification from Honeyville. i did order their RY4 so ill have to give that a try as well. its good to read it did get a good review in this thread but im hesitant to try it. im afraid it will be the same a the Gourmet Vapor RY4 which i didnt care for at all. if i dont i guess i could throw it in the PIF thread or give to another member on here. ill keep an open mind though. well see....
 

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Same here. There was a very distinct flavor that I didn't particularly like. I couldn't my finger on it but definitely not tobacco or caramel. It's been steeping for almost 7 weeks now.

Loving BWB RY4 and Ikenvape Gold RY4! I got both the IKV pg and vg versions. Trying not to finish off my BWB RY4 as well.

Just read the op again and the Vaperite Organic VR4 is macerated tobacco and caramel. Could this macerated tobacco flavor be the distinct flavor that I taste?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that tasted something funny about it. The only difference in my experience is that I didn't let it steep at all. I got a 18ml bottle with two 3ml samplers of VR4. Didn't see the macerated tobacco post but that might very well be the case in why I don't like it. Really don't want to reveal what I tasted as I have a feeling that I'm going to be bashed because of it. Taste is subjective but the flavor I got is ridiculous (in a bad way).

But, I will say this though. I have only tried the 3ml sampler in my REO mini and haven't touched the 18ml bottle. The sampler and the big bottle do have different odors to them. The sampler also smells a little off while the big bottle has a strong caramel tone to it. Probably explains the flavor I was getting from the sampler.

EDIT: washvap and marcalbar,

This problem presents itself time and time again. I have wondered for a long time now if people who love a certain juice---in this case, Vaperite VR4 (and I count myself among those who love it)---are vaping the same juice as others who find something off about their bottle of identical juice from the same vendor. The only way to know for sure would be to trade sample bottles, but that is a major pain in the you-know-what, involving time, effort, and expense.

I'm sure vendors try to make every batch uniform, but the notion of "bad batches" comes up frequently among users. "Taste is subjective" is certainly true, but does it cover every base? I don't know. I do know that I've tried some juices that were highly praised and much loved by ECF members, but after a reasonable re-testing and time allowed for steeping, I wouldn't vape those particular juices if you paid me.

I've read at least a couple of posts by disappointed users who contacted the vendors and received replacement bottles that were significantly better, so that may be an option worth pursuing. Todd at Vaperite seems very attentive to his customers' needs.

Sometimes I just apply the "Life is too Short" rule: If I don't like a certain juice, I don't sweat it. I just put it away and move on. I've got whole drawers full of juices I'll probably never vape again. That's one of the good things about having 35 RY4s on the Big List---lots of choices.

I totally agree with everything that you've said. I've wondered the same thing sometimes but, this has been the first time that I've tried a juice that has been highly recommended to has literally horrified me. I literally had to pour the 3ml bottle in my REO mini down the drain because of how bad it was. But, like I said before. I have only tried the sampler and haven't even touched the 18ml bottle yet. So, I'm hoping the big bottle will be dramatically better. Maybe I shouldn't have ordered that much but I am really a sweet tobacco fanatic. In comparison, the honey tobacco that I've gotten from him tastes great and will make a bigger order of it when I need to re-stock.

Anyways, I really do like the reviews that you have written about RY4 and will try some others on the list. Just have to be patient on the BWB RY4 that seems to never be in stock.
 
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Bill, you meant washvap on this, not me. I really like VS4. Some juice suppliers replicate their flavors with expensive machinery that dispenses precise measurements of each component and it's unlikely their batches would vary. VS is made in India, not sure of the QC there but I've never noticed a difference in the few different bottles of the same flavor I've vaped from them. They do have a distinctive base, such as Halo, BWB, AVE & KBV for eg, and not everyone likes those bases and will effect their thoughts on a particular juice.

I did get some fairly acrid juices from one well-known supplier and they answered my post, indignant at the concept of a "bad batch", saying they'd heard that from customers but it doesn't really happen. Airing out the bottles and letting them sleep for a couple of weeks did change the juice and solve the issue, though the suppliers had offered to work with me.

If you've got juices you're never going to vape again, may I suggest placing them in the PIF thread...either http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-you-must-read-rules-before-posting-here.html where you can pick up stuff you like first or just gift them here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-you-must-read-rules-before-posting-here.html

I too had ordered from Brad Smith and the thing to add is that a group of ECFers got together to accept donations, build some mods and get some juice out to those who weren't able to reclaim their $ from Paypal, (I was able to reclaim). What a superb pontification of how great this board is!!!

That's true but, I'm not sure if it was the base because the honey tobacco was really good in comparison. I understand what your saying though. Not every bottle is going to be the same because they do it by hand. Which is totally understandable and I do appreciate the time and care that they give with every single order. I just found it weird that the taste I was getting was TOTALLY different from what others have said. Honestly, don't taste the rich caramel and hints of tobacco. Which was the real reason why I ordered it in the first place.

And yeah, I'm definitely going to let it steep for a while and then try it out again. If I still find the same flavor as I did with the sampler than I'm going to follow your advice and give it away or trade it in the PIF thread. Thanks for the links.
 
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washvap,

If you liked Todd's Organic Honey Tobacco (which you stated that you did), then by everything holy you should feel the same or even better about Organic VR4. Yeah, they're a little different---Todd's macerated tobacco with honey flavor versus the exact same macerated tobacco with caramel and a little vanilla---but they're not that different.

I hate to invoke the "bad batch" excuse, but if you hated VR4, then something's wrong with the juice itself (rather than something being funny about your taste buds).
 

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A poster here---seantex---kindly sent me 2mls of High Caliber Our 4---which is more than enough to test for review. Thanks, Sean! This is a 50/50 PG/VG blend, 24mg nic strength, and golden brown colored. It was tested by dripping into a Joye 1.5 ohm LR atty powered by a Hello 016 battery providing 3.9 volts for around 10 watts of oomph.

This is our first RY4 from a supplier rather than a vendor. High Caliber is a USA-made line of juices carried and sold by numerous vendors, among them: altsmoke, electronixstix, nu-vapor, litecigusa, vaporjunction, and perhaps others (those are ones that Google found). I was sent the not-quite-empty original 10ml bottle, which listed all the particulars except the vendor, so I don't know where it was purchased. Suffice it to say that we can safely refer to this liquid as High Caliber Our 4.

Since this bottle is reaching its end, I assume that the liquid has had ample steeping time. (Fed Ex was a bit rough---though intact, the bottle arrived in the mailing envelope smushed half-flat and now won't stand up. No problem, though.). At 24mgs nic strength, throat hit is solid, and vapor production is voluminous, as one would expect from a 50/50 blend.

As for flavor, my very first impressions upon initial inhale were tobacco and fruit, in that order. On the exhale, the lurking caramel and vanilla emerged. The tobacco is good---no perfume-y or chemical overtones, and the caramel/vanilla, while subdued, are definitely present. So Our 4 passes muster as a bonafide RY4.

But what the heck is this fruit thing? Is the fruitiness part of the tobacco flavor or from a separate ingredient or ingredients? I'm guessing separate. The bad news is that I am not a fan of fruit with my tobacco. The good news is that the fruit flavor is extremely subtle---forward but not potent, more an aura than a distinct flavor.

As an aside, I always wondered what happened in Hollywood at the "studio pitch" where some Oscar-winning screenwriter (or hack) was hoping to get a green light for a story or script idea, which is only one of the hundreds of meetings with huge egos that must sequentially approved to actually get a movie made. I had a Hollywood clientele back in the 1980s-90s, and I got to see Tinseltown from behind the scenes, so now I know the answer to that one.

My new curiosity involves creation of eliquids. Imagine a flavor chemist in a lab or a juicemaker in a kitchen, trying to make a tasty version of RY4. Then imagine that this person takes a toke of some RY4-formula-in-progress and says, "Pretty good so far, but not quite there yet. What this juice needs is pineapple!" Now, I'm not suggesting the there's pineapple in Our 4 (I can't identify the specific fruit except to assert that some hint of fruitiness is subtly present). But you get my point. What bozo thinks that RY4 needs pineapple or any other fruit, for that matter?

Or maybe I'm way off base here. Maybe my taste buds are screwy and there's no fruit at all in Our 4. Or perhaps all the Top 10 RY4s on my list have the tiniest smidgen of pineapple in them to sharpen their sweetness. Yeah, and maybe pigs fly.

The fruitiness doesn't ruin Our 4 for me; it just demotes it some. Imagine a general standing before a soldier who went AWOL and ripping off his epaulets. In fairness, I really don't mind this juice at all---I'm merely dressing it down, not putting it up in front of a firing squad with a last vape and a blindfold. So, here comes my the usual YMMV disclaimer: You might really love Our 4. For me, it falls in the middle of the pack, but necessarily below my reference standard, Madvapes Dekang pre-mix RY4, settling in at #20.

Category Groups: Dessert, Deep/Dark, and Variants
 

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i did get my order from Prime Vaping in today. first one i tried was the PV4. i havent spent a lot of time with it yet but it is very good. i can see why it is near the top of the list. it has a very rich caramel smell and taste. the tobacco they use is very good. the vanilla is there as well but i get it most on exhale and after taste. there is also a definite nuttyness but i like it. im rapping this up now so i can taste the other juices i recieved from Prime Vaping. if i can put down the PV4 that is.
 
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Personal Rankings (current as of 22 July 2011)

1. VaporTalk Dulcis
2. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
3. LiquidXpress Taboo
4. Janty RY4
5. Bloog RY4
6. PrimeVaping PV4
7. BackwoodsBrew RY4
8. VapeRite Organic VR4
9. ElixirLiquid RY4
10. KalamazooVaporShop RY4

11. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
12. Vixen Vapors RY4
13. QuickNicVapor RY4
14. Want2Vape RY4
15. VapeMasters R4
16. VapeRite RY4
17. Madvapes Dekang RY4
18. GoodEJuice RY4
19. NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4
20. High Caliber Our 4

21. VaporStation VS4
22. VaporStation RY4
23. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
24. Want2Vape Rock Star
25. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
26. AwesomeVapor RY4
27. HoneyvilleVapor RY4
28. Halo Tribeca
29. Mist-Stix RY4
30. KickBassVapor RY4

31. GourmetVapors RY4
32. VoidMist RY4
33. Vapure VY4
34. AltSmoke RY4
35. BlueMistVaping RY4
36. FlavourArt oRYental 4


Category Groups

Stronger Tobacco (less sweet)
VaporTalk Dulcis
Ikenvape RY4 Gold
BackwoodsBrew RY4
Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
VapeRite RY4
Madvapes Dekang RY4
NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4
VaporStation VS4

Dessert (more sweet)
Janty RY4
Bloog RY4
Vixen Vapors RY4
KalamazooVaporShop RY4
QuickNicVapor RY4
GoodEJuice RY4
High Caliber Our 4
Kick Bass Vapor RY4
Vapure VY4

Nutty
VaporTalk Dulcis
Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
LiquidXpress Taboo
KalamazooVaporShop RY4
ElixirLiquid RY4
QuickNicVapor RY4
VapeRite RY4

Caramel Rich
LiquidXpress Taboo
VapeRite Organic VR4
PrimeVaping PV4
Want2Vape RY4
Vixen Vapors RY4
GoodEJuice RY4
Kick Bass Vapor RY4
VoidMist RY4
Vapure VY4

Vanilla
BackwoodsBrew RY4
QuickNicVapor RY4
JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
FreedomSmokeUSA RY4

Liqueur
BackwoodsBrew RY4
Vixen Vapors RY4
QuickNicVapor RY4

Bright/Lively
VaporTalk Dulcis
Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
LiquidXpress Taboo
ElixirLiquid RY4
Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
Want2Vape Rock Star

Deep/Dark
Bloog RY4
VapeMasters R4
Want2Vape RY4
GoodEJuice RY4
High Caliber Our 4
VoidMist RY4

Balanced/Blended
VaporTalk Dulcis
Janty RY4
Bloog RY4
PrimeVaping PV4
ElixirLiquid RY4
KalamazooVaporShop RY4
VapeRite RY4
Madvapes Dekang RY4
GoodEJuice RY4
VaporStation VS4
Halo Tribeca

Variants (non-typical)
BackwoodsBrew RY4
VapeRite Organic VR4
High Caliber Our 4
JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
Halo Tribeca
FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
Want2Vape Rock Star
Kick Bass Vapor RY4
VoidMist RY4

So-So (undistinguished)
Mist-Stix RY4
Vapure VY4
Altsmoke RY4
GourmetVapors RY4

Bizarre (just plain weird)
BlueMistVaping RY4
FlavourArt oRYental 4
 

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I started reading this thread from page one. What a great read! I was happy with RY4 from BWB, Kick Bass Vapors and FSUSA, but this thread got my interest up to try others. Already ordered from QuickNic and Ikenvape is next. Thanks for starting this and keeping it going. You have a gift in the writting department. Happy trails.

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Been vaping the janty RY4 for over a week now and I've come away impressed if, perhapes, with a slight tinge of disappointment also. Is a good vape, but it's also a little 'nondescript'. I think it's these sutble 'what is that something?' on the aftertaste which makes RY4 (and specifically the janty) a good all day vape, but a vape that isn't quite right for me personally. Maybe vaping has left me with a undiscovered sweet tooth or something else is happening, but it's not quite creamy caramel esque enough for me. I think I want a really, really sweet dessert like RY4, creamy smooth caramel/toffee need to be the main flavours for me right now. The janty almost certiantly has this, but it's prodimantly tobacco first and foremost with the sweeter attributes coming in later on the exhale. While bill has it down as a dessert RY4 and notes it as a 'sweet RY4 blend', ( which it it certianly is to some degree) for me it's not quite sweet enough. I may end up mixing my own RY4 I think. I'll go heavy on the caramel, a touch of the vanilla and likely use the TW tobacco (a fave of mine) but only as a sutble tobacco on the exhale. I might also be unusual in that I want m RY4 to be predominantly creamy. Hence my bizarre clotted cream / butter comment before. to this end I my even add a little TW RY3 (very butter like) and even some creamy choc pre mix blend.

I prefer i-vapours RY4 at present and as my 2 week old 30ml bottle continues too steep it shines more and more.

It should be noted I tend to vape on a riva or mega 510 battery with CE2 cearomizers or dual coil clearomizers. The dual coils are a bit harsh though, better suited to tobacco RY4 the sweeter blends IMO.
 

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Regarding the fruit thing, Vaperite has I believe prune in their organic APV which is another good juice from them. Not saying RY4, just talking fruit and tobacco.

Ceegary,

Yes, I have a bottle of Todd's APV Tobacco. I ordered it in a moment of insanity because of the many rave reviews by customers on the Vaperite site, but my "fruit-tobacco allergy" killed it for me right off the bat. Now that bottle sits in my juice cellar, forlorn, steeping forever, with all its other rejected brothers and sisters.

Don't get me wrong---I like fruit, and some fruit vapes are great: All of Prime Vaping's Strawberry variations (Strawberry, Strawberry Cheesecake, and Strawberry Waffle) are unbelievably good. They taste exactly like wild strawberries picked right off the vine at the peak of succulent ripeness. A little sweet, a little tart. Yum. It's just fruit and tobacco that don't mix for me.
 

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Aha, wondered if you'd tried that and had the same reaction, now I know. How do you do with fruit as a component in a food dish, does that also turn you off?

Ceegary,

Yes, I have a bottle of Todd's APV Tobacco. I ordered it in a moment of insanity because of the many rave reviews by customers on the Vaperite site, but my "fruit-tobacco allergy" killed it for me right off the bat. Now that bottle sits in my juice cellar, forlorn, steeping forever, with all its other rejected brothers and sisters.

Don't get me wrong---I like fruit, and some fruit vapes are great: All of Prime Vaping's Strawberry variations (Strawberry, Strawberry Cheesecake, and Strawberry Waffle) are unbelievably good. They taste exactly like wild strawberries picked right off the vine at the peak of succulent ripeness. A little sweet, a little tart. Yum. It's just fruit and tobacco that don't mix for me.
 

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Been vaping the janty RY4 for over a week now and I've come away impressed if, perhapes, with a slight tinge of disappointment also. Is a good vape, but it's also a little 'nondescript'. I think it's these sutble 'what is that something?' on the aftertaste which makes RY4 (and specifically the janty) a good all day vape, but a vape that isn't quite right for me personally. Maybe vaping has left me with a undiscovered sweet tooth or something else is happening, but it's not quite creamy caramel esque enough for me. I think I want a really, really sweet dessert like RY4, creamy smooth caramel/toffee need to be the main flavours for me right now. The janty almost certiantly has this, but it's prodimantly tobacco first and foremost with the sweeter attributes coming in later on the exhale. While bill has it down as a dessert RY4 and notes it as a 'sweet RY4 blend', ( which it it certianly is to some degree) for me it's not quite sweet enough. I may end up mixing my own RY4 I think. I'll go heavy on the caramel, a touch of the vanilla and likely use the TW tobacco (a fave of mine) but only as a sutble tobacco on the exhale. I might also be unusual in that I want m RY4 to be predominantly creamy. Hence my bizarre clotted cream / butter comment before. to this end I my even add a little TW RY3 (very butter like) and even some creamy choc pre mix blend.

I prefer i-vapours RY4 at present and as my 2 week old 30ml bottle continues too steep it shines more and more.

It should be noted I tend to vape on a riva or mega 510 battery with CE2 cearomizers or dual coil clearomizers. The dual coils are a bit harsh though, better suited to tobacco RY4 the sweeter blends IMO.

I loved the Janty Ry4 but I agree that it wasn't too sweet, you may want to look into kickbassvapors RY4 as it is more sweet.
 

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How do you do with fruit as a component in a food dish, does that also turn you off?

Cee,

I think fruit-as-food is terrific! Can't think of a single fruit I don't like in the realm of actual eating. Some fruits are a bit of a PITA to deal with (I'm thinking pomegranates and certain exotic fruits), but generally speaking I love fruit. Just not much in vaping.

I feel much the same way about chocolate. Great to eat, not so hot in eliquids, primarily because it's a tough flavor to get right.
 

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It's just fruit and tobacco that don't mix for me.

I'm trying to find a blend of the right cigar/pipe juice and cherry juice to make a great robust cherry pipe juice.

I think I'm going to use BlueMistVaping's Blackjack as a base first, and try a few different cherry juice flavors until I find something fun and enjoyable.

I have blended NLV's Gold Rush and some chocolate covered cherry that I do like, but it's not the same as a pipe/cigar juice for a base, totally different ball game then. :)
 

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washvap,

If you liked Todd's Organic Honey Tobacco (which you stated that you did), then by everything holy you should feel the same or even better about Organic VR4. Yeah, they're a little different---Todd's macerated tobacco with honey flavor versus the exact same macerated tobacco with caramel and a little vanilla---but they're not that different.

I hate to invoke the "bad batch" excuse, but if you hated VR4, then something's wrong with the juice itself (rather than something being funny about your taste buds).

Yeah, started to wonder about that last night. So, I vaped the honey tobacco all day today to if it it's just the juice or not. Since I haven't spent a whole lot of time with it because I only had dripped it into my 801 once before. Gave a real chance to just re-evaluate the juice and the taste I was getting compared to the VR4. Turns out it is the base. Really started to notice it after a few hours and once I did notice it. It started to get worse and worse. Guess I'm not a fan of the macerated tobacco overall. It honestly tasted weird to me since it almost reminds me of seafood.

Remember that taste is subjective and I had to give my honest to god opinion. So, I gotta apologize to all the vaperite fans out there. I'm just not one of them.
 

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Guess I'm not a fan of the macerated tobacco overall. It honestly tasted weird to me since it almost reminds me of seafood.

washvap,

I see no reason why anyone should have to like natural tobacco extracts. As they say, "Better living through Chemistry," and there's a lot to be said for molecular chemistry in flavorings. Purity, for one thing. I'm often a bit appalled at the dark crud (solids) that builds up in the dual-coil clear cartos that hold most of my tobacco juices made with extracts. Didn't I just kick smoking tobacco ten months ago (after 42 years)?

Don't sweat it, brother. You have a whole world of synthetic tobaccos from which to choose---some of them are admittedly not all that realistic, tasty, or satisfying, but others are darn good. Find what you like and ignore the rest. Life is too short. (Sorry, I'll get down from my pulpit now, thanks...).
 
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