The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[washvap]

It's not that I don't like the flavor of natural tobacco. I just don't like this particular flavor that I'm getting from the choice that he made for the base of his juices.

I'm more into tobacco's from cigarettes than anything since I was a hardcore Marlboro smoker for 18 yrs. So, it might not be something that I'm used to. Such as a cigar, pipe, or chewing tobacco. Just wish there were more vendors out there that extract natural tobaccos because I might just find one that picked the right one for my taste buds. Others have reported the same lackluster results from their experience from Vaperite.

So, please don't take my posts in the wrong way since I'm just giving my honest opinion about it.

 

[billherbst]

So, please don't take my posts in the wrong way since I'm just giving my honest opinion about it.

washvap,

I obviously didn't make the point I wanted to (must have gotten lost in my own pontificating).

I don't think there's anything wrong with your posts, or your opinions, or your taste buds. I appreciate seeing a diversity of opinions on this thread. Fan-type love-fest threads have their place as a celebration of shared belonging, but this thread thrives on friendly differences of opinion. I'm glad you're here and appreciate your honesty.

I happen not to like the "signature" bases of two of the Forum's most popular juice vendors: Halo and Kick Bass Vapor. Thousands of people love their juices. My taste buds react badly to Halo's juices, and while I think that KBV is unsurpassed in their mastery of sweet vapes, I do tire of them quickly. I have nothing against either vendor and wish them both all the success they can garner. I also know, however, that I am not alone. I'm not the only ECF member who doesn't love Halo's and KBV's juices. At least some of those people remain silent and don't post their feelings out of fear of being flamed or hurting someone's feelings.

Todd at Vaperite won't be upset that his tobacco base is not pleasing your tastes. As I wrote earlier today, I don't like Vaperite APV Tobacco. When I began the thread, I worried about my rankings being bogus because I wouldn't be "objective" enough. At this point, I just call 'em like I see 'em, and I trust (hope?) that people will understand.

As a relevant aside, one of the qualities that's knocking my socks off about Prime Vaping is that some of Jon's tobacco juices are made with natural extracts, others with straight synthetics, but they're all clean as a whistle. No "signature" base tonality at all, at least none that I can detect. I find this remarkable and downright unique.

 

[Ceegary]

Yeah, one thing we should all agree on is that taste is individual and we're all allowed to like whatever we like. We even discussed the different camps with RY4; those judging based on the '99 version, or original, or I don't care it just tastes good.

I concur a lot with Bill's tastes but happen to like Halo and KVB for that matter. I vape the KBV deserts just as that, a little desert, but I also happen to like their Crossfire Trail and Bogart 'baccos. Neither are remarkable, but if I'm going out for a while and looking to vape something that hits just right and I can camp with for a long time, they fit the bill. My best juices are judged by having a remarkable flavor that I can always enjoy, short or long session-wise, but again, that's me.

That said, the natural 'bacco extracts generally have a much more subtle profile than concocted versions. When I first started vaping I didn't enjoy them at all, but taste buds do wake up and though it's cliche, you may find juices you don't like now really appealing to you later. Or not. I can't stand menthol or clove and don't think I'll ever warm to them, though I love spearmint, peppermint and wintergreen and like cloves for eg in a Chai drink, just can't vape it.

The many juices I've tried were largely based on someone's post about how great they were, so how come there were so many that I don't vape, some I actually hated? OTH, that's how I've found my stable of faves. It's all good.

 

[SweetPuff]

Tribeca is one my top favorites

My chasing the ry4 dragon adventure started a long while ago after vaping bloog's ry4 pre-filled cartos, and not being able to find a similar ry4 juice to refill the cartos with. So, after a long search, tribeca appeared and was the closest thing to the bloog's...so the love affair with tribeca began.

Fast forward...bloog finally released their ry4 juice, and although it's not identical to tribeca, it has enough similarities in flavor profile for me to be able to say...if you love tribeca, you just may enjoy the heck out of bloog's new ry4 juice and vice versa. If you have either one and like them, give the other a try an see what you think. Thankfully, I don't get the bugspray/disinfectant overtones that some vapors do from halo's tribeca...I just get utterly clean, well balanced deliciousness with a gentle toasted tobacco flavor paired with subtle caramel/vanilla notes. The bloog's ry4 juice is similar, but has a warmer, slightly richer flavor, with a very slight tobacco paired with a more pronounced caramelized/burnt sugar note flowing through. If you like one, I recommend trying the other, b/c there's a good chance you'll enjoy very much.

 

[thehangdude]

I couldn't do Tribeca. It was like spraying bug spray into my mouth. I find the KBV base to be like vaping butter, which makes some of their flavors awesome, some nasty. I don't like the tin taste of many tobacco bases (almost every one on the list).

So, I search for a Turkish tobacco, like Cassablanca, with the sweetness of caramel and vanilla. Not one that just uses nuts to cover the tobacco base, though. Not one that tases like it used the stems of the tobacco plant (although this is as close as I've found). I am not super picky. I just want what is not yet made.

This thread has helped me appreciate the different flavors and bases of tobacco vapes. I accept that many will forever remind me of that first bottle of Liberty Flights USA mix (read: licking a tin shed). I will never find a Maralboro vape, yet will continue to search. I also accept I enjoy vaping Cinnamon Red Hots, go figure.

I am sure that I will continue to buy the top ranked RY4s (according to billherbst), and I will understand why I do/don't like each. I will also buy according to his Category Groups, and probably come closer to what I prefer through this method. I will continue, because Bloog or Ikenvape or Vaporite might just be the Holy Grail I seek.

 

[wv2win]

Been vaping the janty RY4 for over a week now and I've come away impressed if, perhapes, with a slight tinge of disappointment also. Is a good vape, but it's also a little 'nondescript'. I think it's these sutble 'what is that something?' on the aftertaste which makes RY4 (and specifically the janty) a good all day vape,........

I loved the Janty Ry4 but I agree that it wasn't too sweet, you may want to look into kickbassvapors RY4 as it is more sweet.

I'm a fan of Janty's RY4, being as it is the closes to the original RY4, that I loved back in '09. But I agree that it is more subtle and a good all day (night for me) vape.

In the beginning, I also started trying different RY4's because I have a "sweet tooth" and wanted more of the carmal/vanilla taste. What I found, that when a producer ramped up those flavors, it tended to become over-powering. Too many times it became a heavy carmal taste with barely any smooth tobacco at all. I would love to find an RY4 that was very close to Janty but just a little, tiny "up-tick" in the carmal/vanilla flavor.

Any suggestions???

 

[Drak]

I would love to find an RY4 that was very close to Janty but just a little, tiny "up-tick" in the caramel/vanilla flavor.
Any suggestions???

This is a little bit of a left-field answer, but if I was in that state of mind, I would pick my favorite tobacco vape, buy some nut, caramel, and vanilla flavorings and just play with it a little bit.

I do this all the time with all kinds of juices, and have found some very interesting combinations I would never be able to buy.

For example, I took my Halo Torque 56 (which I couldn't really take on it's own), and added a little bit of all the base flavors of a typical RY4.

I tried, in different 3ml vials:
Black Walnut and Pistachio (for the nut component, these are already-made juices)
Vanilla (flavoring)
Caramel (flavoring)
Maple (flavoring)

And made several different very interesting juice combinations that I now really like, and I now have ~30ml of juice that otherwise would probably have just sat here.

Take your favorite tobacco and flavor it the rest of the way yourself, it's great fun!

I want to get a bottle of NLV's Vanilla Straights because I LOVE that vanilla, and a bottle of Prime Vaping's Cocoa because I think that's the chocolate in their Nostalgia, which is really tasty, so I can then add them into other tobacco juices to flavor them the way I want them.

Just a thought.

 

[billherbst]

sweetpuff, hang, w2v,

Wonderful posts. We do seem to be on the Holy Grail quest (whenever that mythology is invoked, I think of the hilarious and goofy Monty Python movie send-up). I mean, I already have amassed 25-30 superlative, delicious, and downright amazing juices (overall, not RY4s specifically), so many now that I can't keep them all in my daily rotation. And yet, I keep searching for (and finding) even more new, great juices.

Is this endless hunter-gatherer impulse a genetic thing or what? I don't act this way with most things. When I bought my last used Saab (a 9-5 sportwagon) six years ago, I told myself I was done buying cars forever. Now I am immune to the seduction of anything car-related. Same with the bulk of techno-toys hawked so aggressively here in the twilight of post-industrial consumer excess---smart phones, flat-screen TVs, kitchen appliances, whatever. My lust for all that stuff has been satiated, and I seek nothing further than what I already have.

So why do I keep searching for even better juices? Why do I read reviews every day and check out new vendors whenever they appear in the Suppliers forum or Deals and Steals?

As a former musician (way back in the stone age of the 1970s), I went through a brief phase in my later life of collecting guitars. In that world, the "disease" of wanting/needing to buy just one more instrument is so pervasive that it actually has a name---GAS---which is an acronym for "Gear Acquisition Syndrome." Seems to apply to vaping juices as well.

And the beat goes on...

 

[GMalarkey]

I can agree Bill. The odd thing is that when I was smoking analogs I stayed with the same brand for years I never worried about having different flavor options. But since I started vaping I have been on a flavor spree. It is a journey I have enjoyed thus far and I believe I will continue to do so.

 

[birdbrains]

What a thread!

Bill--I, and I'm sure a few of your other readers, are really learning a lot about how juices are made. I really didn't know about company's signature bases or a lot of other things. Question: is there somewhere that you write about juice that is not RY4-related? I didn't see any mention, but if there is I'd sure like to check it out.

Thanks!

 

[Ceegary]

I restore and collect pinballs, so I've cycled through a few of them, mainly to pay down the hobby because otherwise it can become $$$ intensive. But I've chilled out now and have 10, some of which I may replace with others but not franticly. Same with cars, appliances etc, but I'm in the same boat with chasing juices. Just bought 70ml from a new supplier because they had a great special and you never know....

So why? Here's my theory... When comparing vaping to smoking there are some wins and some losses. Health; no brainer. Stealth possibilities; no brainer. Price; well..it depends but it can be a win, a wash or a new hobby. Simplicity; a loss, much more fussing with vaping. Satiation; a big loss. Taking a vape just doesn't "hit" the same way as an analog. After a smoke we were generally satisfied and had no need to pick up another until a time had lapsed, time depending on how many we smoked, (except for hard-core chain smokers). Very few of us vape like we smoked and the result is most vape more hits than drags on a smoke because you never get to that "satisfied for now" point. (Whole discussion as to reasons why, but not for this thread).

So...we come to the other plus; flavor! When I transitioned from smoking to vaping this is what made it easy for me and I know, many others. Smokes starting tasting awful compared to juice. So instead of having a smoke every hour or two we vape whenever we like. Instead of smoking one brand, we really get into this huge panoply of juices, some skillfully and masterfully crafted for our tasting delight.

This is such a wonderful difference and how can we not take advantage of it? Vapers often reference their all-day vape, I don't have one. I don't have a day when I vape less than 5 flavors and that's when I'm travelling! Viva the juices!

 

[billherbst]

What a thread! ...is there somewhere that you write about juice that is not RY4-related?

bird,

There's no one place for my other posts---they're scattered throughout this and other Sub-Forums, but you can always click on my screen name then select "See all Forum posts."

I probably "sound" more knowledgeable than I am. Actually, I'm learning right along with you. Much can be gleaned from personal experience and reading ECF, but some very interesting information is "hidden" and requires networking with folks who have the inside skinny. With 95 posts in a month, you're well on your way to developing those connections.

Thanks for your kind words. This is a great thread because lots of people have made it so, and I'm pleased to be its de facto zookeeper. Feel free to feed the animals.

 

[GMalarkey]

I've been vaping on Bounty Hunter from NiteLightVapor and for those that like the vanilla and tobacco flavor it is great! I will definatley be keeping this one in rotation

 

[Drak]

I'm vaping Bounty Hunter today too, man that is some great juice!

 

[GMalarkey]

Yeah I am seriously considering the jug they offer next time I need to order it

 

[billherbst]

If NiteLiteVapor's Renegade RY4 were as good as Bounty Hunter, we'd have a new champion on the RY4 list.

 

[billherbst]

I restore and collect pinballs, so I've cycled through a few of them, mainly to pay down the hobby because otherwise it can become $$$ intensive. But I've chilled out now and have 10, some of which I may replace with others but not franticly. Same with cars, appliances etc, but I'm in the same boat with chasing juices. Just bought 70ml from a new supplier because they had a great special and you never know....

So why? Here's my theory... When comparing vaping to smoking there are some wins and some losses. Health; no brainer. Stealth possibilities; no brainer. Price; well..it depends but it can be a win, a wash or a new hobby. Simplicity; a loss, much more fussing with vaping. Satiation; a big loss. Taking a vape just doesn't "hit" the same way as an analog. After a smoke we were generally satisfied and had no need to pick up another until a time had lapsed, time depending on how many we smoked, (except for hard-core chain smokers). Very few of us vape like we smoked and the result is most vape more hits than drags on a smoke because you never get to that "satisfied for now" point. (Whole discussion as to reasons why, but not for this thread).

So...we come to the other plus; flavor! When I transitioned from smoking to vaping this is what made it easy for me and I know, many others. Smokes starting tasting awful compared to juice. So instead of having a smoke every hour or two we vape whenever we like. Instead of smoking one brand, we really get into this huge panoply of juices, some skillfully and masterfully crafted for our tasting delight.

This is such a wonderful difference and how can we not take advantage of it? Vapers often reference their all-day vape, I don't have one. I don't have a day when I vape less than 5 flavors and that's when I'm travelling! Viva the juices!

Ceegary,

An emphatic Yes! to everything you wrote.

 

[Drak]

If NiteLiteVapor's Renegade RY4 were as good as Bounty Hunter,
we'd have a new champion on the RY4 list.

Hairball reports her new bottle is much better than the old one...
...maybe a fresh Renegade re-visit is in order?

 

[SweetPuff]

I couldn't do Tribeca. It was like spraying bug spray into my mouth.

I understand hangdude, although I can't identify, since I don't taste the bugspray, lol! Not sure why, but it always makes me laugh when I read that, no idea why it strikes me so funny....

Re: the KBV...the base tastes funny to me, and Lord knows I so wanted to like their juices. What can we do, some agree with us and some make us gag.

About the bloog juice, although the halo tribeca and bloog ry4 share some vague similarities, I can assure you there is no essence of bug spray in that juice...the base is totally different from halo's.

I hope you find your bliss juice! I'm sure you will...it just takes time and lots of lots of trial and error. Bill's recommendations are sure to speed up the process! I know i've found new loves based on his list!

 

[wigglr]

I'm a fan of Janty's RY4, being as it is the closes to the original RY4, that I loved back in '09. But I agree that it is more subtle and a good all day (night for me) vape.

In the beginning, I also started trying different RY4's because I have a "sweet tooth" and wanted more of the carmal/vanilla taste. What I found, that when a producer ramped up those flavors, it tended to become over-powering. Too many times it became a heavy carmal taste with barely any smooth tobacco at all. I would love to find an RY4 that was very close to Janty but just a little, tiny "up-tick" in the carmal/vanilla flavor.

Any suggestions???

This is a little bit of a left-field answer, but if I was in that state of mind, I would pick my favorite tobacco vape, buy some nut, caramel, and vanilla flavorings and just play with it a little bit.

I do this all the time with all kinds of juices, and have found some very interesting combinations I would never be able to buy.

For example, I took my Halo Torque 56 (which I couldn't really take on it's own), and added a little bit of all the base flavors of a typical RY4.

I tried, in different 3ml vials:
Black Walnut and Pistachio (for the nut component, these are already-made juices)
Vanilla (flavoring)
Caramel (flavoring)
Maple (flavoring)

And made several different very interesting juice combinations that I now really like, and I now have ~30ml of juice that otherwise would probably have just sat here.

Take your favorite tobacco and flavor it the rest of the way yourself, it's great fun!

I want to get a bottle of NLV's Vanilla Straights because I LOVE that vanilla, and a bottle of Prime Vaping's Cocoa because I think that's the chocolate in their Nostalgia, which is really tasty, so I can then add them into other tobacco juices to flavor them the way I want them.

Just a thought.

Great idea! To expand on it, just buy some nice Vanilla flavoring from TPA, Flavour Art, LorAnns or the such and add a drop or more to 3-6 ml (a smaller, separate bottle) and see what you can concoct!