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The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Ah, memory lane.
I saw Three Dog Night live way back in 1969, when they were the "sacrificial offering" warm-up act to Steppenwolf. As often happened back then, they were great, while the headliner was only so-so. Even though they always struck me as one of those "fake" Los Angeles bands put together by a promoter/producer who was in it only for the money, I have to admit that I liked a lot of their tunes.
My favorite of theirs was/still is "The Road to Shambala."
I saw Three Dog Night live way back in 1969, when they were the "sacrificial offering" warm-up act to Steppenwolf. As often happened back then, they were great, while the headliner was only so-so. Even though they always struck me as one of those "fake" Los Angeles bands put together by a promoter/producer who was in it only for the money, I have to admit that I liked a lot of their tunes.
My favorite of theirs was/still is "The Road to Shambala."
A little update on the RY4 intense from Vapour World uk a Dekang base juice at 24mg. Keen readers will be aware I had this liquid on test last week I've vaped it each day on and off ever since, though today I seriously noticed how the steeping process had improved this juice no end.
Before it was notable for it's Janty like sourness but offset with an 'almost too' harsh tobacco and throat hit. Steeping has mellowed this angered juice into a more blended clam animal. There's still a kick, but it's one much sweeter on the pallet then the harsh tobacco of this juices early mix. It's now so close to the Janty it could pass off as it's brother, save for that 'intense' label. Before the intense applied to the harsh, thick and drying tobacco, one weeks worth of vaping and it's transformed to an intense nearly gooey caramel. The tobacco is milder and blended to near perfection. The aftertaste is one of soft, surgery vanilla. The chemical taste is also completely absent now that steeping has tamed this wild beast.
This is some seriously good RY4, the sourness is more in-line with the janty now and offsets this much sweeter juice away from becoming much too sickly. It's like the janty elixir mix, but stronger, more powerful and more pronounced. A beautiful RY4 mix, superbly blended, but only when it's ready. I'd say give this 1 - 1.5 weeks steeping and you'll be rewarded for your patience. I'd love to know if this Dekang base liquid is in fact much the same as the health cabin mix Bill had on test earlier in the month. From description alone, I'm going to put it out there that yes, this is the same juice but with a doubler for the intense flavour.
It rushes in to my No:2 RY4 mix with the janty still just ahead at No:1 and Titan Fluid RY4 at 3, cloud 9 vaping's RY4 mix at 4 and honourable mention at No:5 the paradise vapes Uk RY4 caramel mix.
Before it was notable for it's Janty like sourness but offset with an 'almost too' harsh tobacco and throat hit. Steeping has mellowed this angered juice into a more blended clam animal. There's still a kick, but it's one much sweeter on the pallet then the harsh tobacco of this juices early mix. It's now so close to the Janty it could pass off as it's brother, save for that 'intense' label. Before the intense applied to the harsh, thick and drying tobacco, one weeks worth of vaping and it's transformed to an intense nearly gooey caramel. The tobacco is milder and blended to near perfection. The aftertaste is one of soft, surgery vanilla. The chemical taste is also completely absent now that steeping has tamed this wild beast.
This is some seriously good RY4, the sourness is more in-line with the janty now and offsets this much sweeter juice away from becoming much too sickly. It's like the janty elixir mix, but stronger, more powerful and more pronounced. A beautiful RY4 mix, superbly blended, but only when it's ready. I'd say give this 1 - 1.5 weeks steeping and you'll be rewarded for your patience. I'd love to know if this Dekang base liquid is in fact much the same as the health cabin mix Bill had on test earlier in the month. From description alone, I'm going to put it out there that yes, this is the same juice but with a doubler for the intense flavour.
It rushes in to my No:2 RY4 mix with the janty still just ahead at No:1 and Titan Fluid RY4 at 3, cloud 9 vaping's RY4 mix at 4 and honourable mention at No:5 the paradise vapes Uk RY4 caramel mix.
Zombitedesade,
Wonderful report.
If my Google search is accurate, Dekang RY4 Intense is available only in the UK, and not here in the states.
The difference you wrote about between Dekang RY4 Intense and Dekang RY4 "regular" is essentially identical to my experience vis-à-vis my new Health Cabin Dekang RY4 versus my 10-month-old Madvapes Dekang RY4---same ingredient flavors, but richer, bolder, and markedly more intense. And yes, Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is oh-so-close to Janty RY4 Elixir. To my palate, Janty has slightly more of the balancing sourness. (Incredible, isn't it, how that sourness improves the end result? Who would've thunk it?)
This is probably just silly conjecture, but could it be that the Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is the same recipe as the Dekang RY4 Intense? Seems doubtful, I know, but I cannot explain the dramatic difference in flavor impact between my two bottles of Dekang RY4, so I have to consider the possibility. Or maybe it's simply that someone at Dekang has his head screwed on straight enough to realize that those of us in the west tend to like bolder flavors, so that Dekang upped the flavor concentration of their RY4 recipe between last fall and now, and are re-upping it even more with RY4 Intense. What's most impressive is that this increase in flavor has been achieved without a corresponding loss of subtlety in the blend.
I was interested to read on the Vapour World UK site that they advise customers to allow steeping time for their Dekang liquids. While these are factory-made nicquids and sold unalterted, VW says that the juices arrive within 8 days of creation. So, even though they aren't "fresh-mixed," they are from a fresh production run, and therefore take time for the flavors to fully develop---from 6-8 weeks for maximum maturity.
A week has passed since my Health Cabin Dekang RY4 arrived in the mail, and wow---it's getting even better! Both Janty RY4 Elixir (which I bought in both PG and VG blends, but then dumped together into a larger bottle for a 50/50 mix) and the HC DK RY4 are like two thoroughbred racehorses. As they come neck and neck down the backstretch, they're simply pulling away from all the other RY4 horses in the race. Only IKV RY4 Gold, Vaperite VR4, and PrimeVaping PV4 are hanging in there, though trailing. Even Dulcis is fading some as the frontrunners gallop away as if most of the other RY4 horses back in the pack were standing still.
Amazing.
Wonderful report.
If my Google search is accurate, Dekang RY4 Intense is available only in the UK, and not here in the states.
The difference you wrote about between Dekang RY4 Intense and Dekang RY4 "regular" is essentially identical to my experience vis-à-vis my new Health Cabin Dekang RY4 versus my 10-month-old Madvapes Dekang RY4---same ingredient flavors, but richer, bolder, and markedly more intense. And yes, Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is oh-so-close to Janty RY4 Elixir. To my palate, Janty has slightly more of the balancing sourness. (Incredible, isn't it, how that sourness improves the end result? Who would've thunk it?)
This is probably just silly conjecture, but could it be that the Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is the same recipe as the Dekang RY4 Intense? Seems doubtful, I know, but I cannot explain the dramatic difference in flavor impact between my two bottles of Dekang RY4, so I have to consider the possibility. Or maybe it's simply that someone at Dekang has his head screwed on straight enough to realize that those of us in the west tend to like bolder flavors, so that Dekang upped the flavor concentration of their RY4 recipe between last fall and now, and are re-upping it even more with RY4 Intense. What's most impressive is that this increase in flavor has been achieved without a corresponding loss of subtlety in the blend.
I was interested to read on the Vapour World UK site that they advise customers to allow steeping time for their Dekang liquids. While these are factory-made nicquids and sold unalterted, VW says that the juices arrive within 8 days of creation. So, even though they aren't "fresh-mixed," they are from a fresh production run, and therefore take time for the flavors to fully develop---from 6-8 weeks for maximum maturity.
A week has passed since my Health Cabin Dekang RY4 arrived in the mail, and wow---it's getting even better! Both Janty RY4 Elixir (which I bought in both PG and VG blends, but then dumped together into a larger bottle for a 50/50 mix) and the HC DK RY4 are like two thoroughbred racehorses. As they come neck and neck down the backstretch, they're simply pulling away from all the other RY4 horses in the race. Only IKV RY4 Gold, Vaperite VR4, and PrimeVaping PV4 are hanging in there, though trailing. Even Dulcis is fading some as the frontrunners gallop away as if most of the other RY4 horses back in the pack were standing still.
Amazing.
That the sourness is so similar, the Dekang base an obvious factor and the over 1 weeks steeping should transform what was a pretty steady juice into something quite astoundingly good: does all seem a remarkable coincidence for the two liquids not to be related. Perhaps it is 'just that dekang' base we are assuming them to be so alike, but something in my gut tells me these two liquids are one and the same somehow, only my intense version, naturally being more intense and vibrant. Perhaps an order of VapourWorlds standard RY4 would yield the answers. I'm tempted too by their RY1-3 mixes, especially the 2 since I've never tired this version of the Ryan recipe.
I'll throw this out there, have any of you, fellow Ry4 Vapers tried the previous numbered variants before the 4? It seems many vendors don't stock them, but vapour world seems to have all versions (save for FSUA's RY5 a juice I didn't much care for). They even have a juice labelled as 'Ryan' which I presume is straight up tobacco and likely the tobacco in all of their RY mixes.
I'll throw this out there, have any of you, fellow Ry4 Vapers tried the previous numbered variants before the 4? It seems many vendors don't stock them, but vapour world seems to have all versions (save for FSUA's RY5 a juice I didn't much care for). They even have a juice labelled as 'Ryan' which I presume is straight up tobacco and likely the tobacco in all of their RY mixes.
According to Ludo---one of the owners of Janty who claims to be the creator of the original-no-kidding-first-ever-version of RY4---he was visiting a major eliquid production facility in China back in 2007 (I assume it was a Dekang factory, but Ludo didn't say, so we don't know for sure). Ludo and the flavor lab chemist got together sort of ad hoc and decided on the spur of the moment to create a new juice blend together. They started with some basic ingredient flavors---tobacco, caramel, and vanilla presumably---and, after numerous changes, additions, and refinements, came up with something unique that both men really liked. Since it was their fourth version that day, the chemist suggested that they name it Ruyan #4, which was subsequently shortened to RY4. "Ruyan" is supposedly the Chinese slang word for "cigarette-like" or "resembling a cigarette."
The RY4 that Ludo and the chemist created that day is---or so Ludo and Janty swear---exactly the same recipe that Janty still sells today in their Classic and Elixir Lines.
But back to 2007, where the story then gets cloudy. The Dekang chemist may have further altered the formula afterwards (without Ludo) to produce the proprietary RY4 that Dekang sold under its own label until May 2010. That's the juice some people still call (incorrectly) the "original" RY4, since it was actually an altered recipe (with some flavors jacked up and others muted) based on the Janty original.
In May 2010, this flavor chemist left Dekang (to begin an eliquid company with new partners) and absconded with the "secret" Dekang RY4 formula. He was subsequently arrested, tried, and sent to prison in China for industrial theft, but the missing formula he stole has never re-surfaced or been recovered. I'd speculate that whenever this chemist gets out of prison, that legendary formula may magically re-appear under a new label. Or maybe not. Who knows? All we can conclude is that the original-recipe RY4 is still available from Janty, but the altered-recipe Dekang RY4 that so many ECF posters write of with great praise and profound longing is, indeed, lost.
There are some other twists and contradictions in this story that I've been told privately, but I'm not at liberty to share that information publicly. I have no way of verifying it anyway.
The point of the story is this: From what I've been told, the lower-numbered versions of RY---RY1, RY2, and RY3---all came after RY4, not before. So, RY4 didn't "evolve." Instead, the other versions were reverse-engineered backwards. Heck, I don't even know if the versions of RY1, 2, and 3 sold by numerous vendors are the same or different, either individually or as a group.
Z.,
I checked out VapourWorld's UK site. Juice cost is high and shipping to the U.S. is apparently so expensive they want us to email them to even find out.
A better solution might be for you to order a bottle of Dekang's "regular" RY4 from Health Cabin. Very inexpensive and reasonable shipping via China air mail to the UK. That way, you'd have them both and could tell us if they're different, and if so, how much.
Or you could mail me a 3ml sample bottle of the RY4 Intense, if you were so inclined. (If overseas mailing costs aren't too exorbitant for a tiny package, I'd by happy to repay you via PayPal gift). That option would make me happiest, since I'd love to taste the RY4 Intense.
Bill, I'd be happy to send you some for your thoughts on this. PM me an address to send it on to and I'll do the rest. I'm sure the the costings of such an endeavor are of little value, I'll be happy enough to read your thoughts on the juice as payment enough!
Top Shelf Vapes is a new company formed from the break up of Jersey Vapes. They opened August 22.
I recieved my RY4 on day four, and shipping was first class $2.95. It is very clear, only a slight tinge of yellow. 18mg and unknown PG/VG.
The first taste, and my mind goes to DK Tobacco. The tobacco base is strong, and very little vanilla and caramel. The sweetness is backgrounded by the strong tobacco. Nice TH and amazing vapor. I would guess it is a 50/50 mix, but may be 60/40 either way.
What I like about this RY4 is that it is clean. It has none of the chemical, perfume, or flowery tastes. The fact that this juice is fresh made, three days old, and tastes this good is a major plus. I look for the vanilla and caramel to come out in the next couple weeks. Even now, it is a pleasent vape.
So why did I review this RY4 when it is only four days old? Top Shelf Vapes has a grand opening sale. Use code DOUBLEUP until noon Saturday, August 27 for 50% off (min $8, no max, liquid only). That made my 10ml only $3. I will be buying a 30ml for $7.50 today. I would suggest trying their other flavors too. My son says Baja Blast (dbl flavor) is awesome.
Top Shelf Vapes
edit:BTW, for those of you who like menthol added, or double or triple shot, or 36mg (hack) they do that.
I recieved my RY4 on day four, and shipping was first class $2.95. It is very clear, only a slight tinge of yellow. 18mg and unknown PG/VG.
The first taste, and my mind goes to DK Tobacco. The tobacco base is strong, and very little vanilla and caramel. The sweetness is backgrounded by the strong tobacco. Nice TH and amazing vapor. I would guess it is a 50/50 mix, but may be 60/40 either way.
What I like about this RY4 is that it is clean. It has none of the chemical, perfume, or flowery tastes. The fact that this juice is fresh made, three days old, and tastes this good is a major plus. I look for the vanilla and caramel to come out in the next couple weeks. Even now, it is a pleasent vape.
So why did I review this RY4 when it is only four days old? Top Shelf Vapes has a grand opening sale. Use code DOUBLEUP until noon Saturday, August 27 for 50% off (min $8, no max, liquid only). That made my 10ml only $3. I will be buying a 30ml for $7.50 today. I would suggest trying their other flavors too. My son says Baja Blast (dbl flavor) is awesome.
Top Shelf Vapes
edit:BTW, for those of you who like menthol added, or double or triple shot, or 36mg (hack) they do that.
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hangdude,
50% off, eh? Well, I'll hop on that one like flies on, well, you know...
Thanks for the review. Top Shelf RY4 sounds pretty darn good, actually. I mean, if Ikenvape RY4 Gold can resemble DK Tab and still be so good, then that flavor blend comes well recommended. I'm looking forward to trying some.
EDIT: Good Lord, I can't even keep track of my juice orders anymore. After going to the Top Shelf site and filling my cart, I started to check out and discovered that I was already registered. Looked at my spreadsheet and saw that I had already placed an order with them four days ago! I tell you, the brain damage is starting to get unmanageable... Oh well, never mind.
I'd ordered a 10ml bottle of their RY4 for testing and review, so I went ahead and popped for a 30ml bottle with a double-shot of extra flavor, just to see if that kicks up the yumminess or kills the juice.
50% off, eh? Well, I'll hop on that one like flies on, well, you know...
Thanks for the review. Top Shelf RY4 sounds pretty darn good, actually. I mean, if Ikenvape RY4 Gold can resemble DK Tab and still be so good, then that flavor blend comes well recommended. I'm looking forward to trying some.
EDIT: Good Lord, I can't even keep track of my juice orders anymore. After going to the Top Shelf site and filling my cart, I started to check out and discovered that I was already registered. Looked at my spreadsheet and saw that I had already placed an order with them four days ago! I tell you, the brain damage is starting to get unmanageable... Oh well, never mind.
I'd ordered a 10ml bottle of their RY4 for testing and review, so I went ahead and popped for a 30ml bottle with a double-shot of extra flavor, just to see if that kicks up the yumminess or kills the juice.
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Well it's on it's way to you bill, was only a couple of quid to send, so no worries. The post office lady looked remarkably confused and vexed when asking me "what is it?" , and I replied: "a really good sample of e liquid". Her bemused little face suggested she was a bit worried about it being a liquid, she seemed to be a bit hesitant to say it would reach you or not, explaing that 'they might not like that.... But let's try it'. So with this, I hope it reaches you in due course!
Horrific images of your sample bottle of juice being seized at gun point by swat teams and bomb disposal units, sniffer dogs and homeland security officers surronding a rather innocent bottle of Ry4 intense did amuse however. Hopefully neither you nor I will be accused of extremism for this! The only thing I'm extremist about is vaping good Ry4...
Horrific images of your sample bottle of juice being seized at gun point by swat teams and bomb disposal units, sniffer dogs and homeland security officers surronding a rather innocent bottle of Ry4 intense did amuse however. Hopefully neither you nor I will be accused of extremism for this! The only thing I'm extremist about is vaping good Ry4...
Thanks, Z. With luck, the package will arrive unscathed (though not unscanned probably), and I will not have to undergo extraordinary rendition to some Saudi Arabian prison.
As a small aside, a footnote perhapes, I've just received a bottle of Riskee juice from Liberro, a juice I'd previously been lead to believe was an Ry4 variant. I I've read that both here and on other forums.
A full review will be forthcoming, but my initial vape on it reveals a juice that is remarkably unusual. It's not an Ry4 though. Certianly by no definition I'd be fit to give it. It's Very sweet, highly honey like with a soft and actually quite clean tobacco there also. An unsueal, but definite presence of peach or other unidentifiable soft fruit is there on the exhale too. There's possibly caramel here, but it's difficult to detect over the (actually rather pleasent) honey comb like flavour. It positively drips a honey taste to your tounge and unusually it lingers there long after the vape. You'll feel this sticky honey like flavour all down the back of your throat and It'll stay there until you sip some water. Quite remarkable, in that I've never had a juice do this. Leave a slightly rawish burn in the throat hit yes, but not long lasting flavour.
It's nice (I think,it needs more testing) but it's not an RY4 in the strictest sense. Nor an RY3.
A full review will be forthcoming, but my initial vape on it reveals a juice that is remarkably unusual. It's not an Ry4 though. Certianly by no definition I'd be fit to give it. It's Very sweet, highly honey like with a soft and actually quite clean tobacco there also. An unsueal, but definite presence of peach or other unidentifiable soft fruit is there on the exhale too. There's possibly caramel here, but it's difficult to detect over the (actually rather pleasent) honey comb like flavour. It positively drips a honey taste to your tounge and unusually it lingers there long after the vape. You'll feel this sticky honey like flavour all down the back of your throat and It'll stay there until you sip some water. Quite remarkable, in that I've never had a juice do this. Leave a slightly rawish burn in the throat hit yes, but not long lasting flavour.
It's nice (I think,it needs more testing) but it's not an RY4 in the strictest sense. Nor an RY3.
I hope a few of you were able to take advantage of Top Shelf Vapes half off sale. Their RY4 is really growing on me. I swear it tastes like BWB Malty tonight, only stronger. It has enough flavor for me to think double may have been a mistake, bill. I look forward to hearing what others think, and I'm looking forward to seeing how TSV's RY4 steeps (if I can keep away from it).
Zombite,
I checked out Liberro's site and watched the video review of their Riskee Yuice by Scott (the guy whose accent demonstrates the old saying that Brits and Americans are two cultures separated by a common language; Scott's primary schtick seems to be blowing vapor rings on camera). Anyway, his opinion was similar to yours, especially about the pronounced sweetness.
My Riskee Yuice (from eSmoke4Life) isn't like that at all. It's solidly in the "club" of RY4s that includes Dulcis, Taboo, Elixir, and Dekang.
hangdude,
If my experiment to order double flavor on the Top Shelf RY4 turns out to be dreadful, then I'll go to Level 2 in the mad scientist playroom---cutting it down with VG and liquid nic to dilute the overly concentrated flavor. Not that doing so always works to restore a juice that's too much. Sometimes it just takes concentrated drek and makes twice as much diluted drek out of it.
Happily, the very worst case scenario is only that I'll be out 12 bucks. Shoot, that's a mere drop in the bucket of all the money I've wasted on lousy juices. LOL.
Well, I've just cracked open the bottle of BWB RY4 that has been sitting in my juice box for about 3 weeks now. I'm really starting to understand why everyone likes it so much. It's really an enjoyable vape. The caramel and vanilla seem to be in the forefront of the flavors I'm getting. But isn't to strong to overshadow the flavor of the tobacco. Which is nice and rich IMO. Really isn't a sweet or dessert type of RY4 but it's close. Also, I get a VERY light nutty flavor as well. Honestly, didn't like BWB at first because I didn't let it steep long enough to enjoy how the juice is supposed to taste.
Anyways, I've tasted a juice that is very similar in flavor to BWB RY4. It would be DIY Flavorshack's Caramel Vanilla RY4 which is basically BWB RY4 on steroids. Basically, the flavors that I'm getting in this juice is much stronger and the tobacco seems to be less pronounced. Still haven't found out if that has changed since I'm still letting it steep since it was fresh. So, it might more similarities than what I've described when I try it out the next time.
Anyways, I've tasted a juice that is very similar in flavor to BWB RY4. It would be DIY Flavorshack's Caramel Vanilla RY4 which is basically BWB RY4 on steroids. Basically, the flavors that I'm getting in this juice is much stronger and the tobacco seems to be less pronounced. Still haven't found out if that has changed since I'm still letting it steep since it was fresh. So, it might more similarities than what I've described when I try it out the next time.
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