The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

This is just me, but
Bounty Hunter = Captain Crunch
Boba's Bounty = Graham Crackers

Both are more complex than that.

Tons has been posted in many separate threads in the juice forum speculating about what Boba's Bounty "really" tastes like and what flavorings are used in the recipe mix (not so much about Bounty Hunter, which is considerably simpler and more obvious in its flavor profile, although it too has a certain seductive quality). I find the two juices to be similar in name only, not in at all in taste.

For my money, though, thehangdude and scarf-ace both nailed it. Bounty Hunter is Cap'n Crunch with Vanilla Twinkie, while Boba's Bounty is graham crackers (not honey grahams, just straight very slightly sweet graham crackers), with oatmeal-raisin cookie. These supposedly tobacco blends, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I can discern any tobacco flavor in either juice. To me, Boba's is a snack juice; Bounty Hunter is a dessert juice.

I like each quite a lot and keep both of them in my daily stable of ready-to-grab-loaded-PVs. I was dismayed recently to find that the remaining 10mls of my less-than-a-year-old most recent 30ml bottle of Boba's has suffered a stroke. It's gone comatose, lost much of its flavor, and all its nice bite. What a shame. RIP. Oh well, AlienVisions is about to have a 20% off post-moving sale, so I'll pop for some fresh Boba's then.

 

[thehangdude]

For my money, though, thehangdude and scarf-ace both nailed it. Bounty Hunter is Cap'n Crunch with Vanilla Twinkie, while Boba's Bounty is graham crackers (not honey grahams, just straight very slightly sweet graham crackers), with oatmeal-raisin cookie.

Now that was a politically correct answer. Have you ever worked in the diplomatic circles?

 

[billherbst]

Now that was a politically correct answer. Have you ever worked in the diplomatic circles?

dude,

If you (or scarf) had written that Bounty Hunter is smoked salmon and Boba's is green bean casserole, I wouldn't have felt the same way.

Both your single-phrase description and scarf's were brilliant, pithy snapshots. If I'd picked only one to affirm, it would have been unfair to the other. (Actually, scarf posted while I was writing, so I didn't see hers until after mine had been posted, so I edited my post to put us all in bed together. Was that diplomacy? Nah, more like a ménage à trois between friends.

 

[scarf-ace]

...I edited my post to put us all in bed together. Was that diplomacy? Nah, more like a ménage à trois between friends.

The vapor coming from that bedroom sure smells good!

I decided to try one of my "reject" RY4s, Highbrow's Highbrowbacco version. I had tried it and disliked it when I got it in June. I tried it again on a SERIOUS VAPER setup: dripping on a bridgeless 510 atomizer I just acquired. Normally I don't have the patience for faffing around with dripping or cleaning atomizers, but I didn't want to waste a cartomizer in case it still didn't please me.

Regrettably it doesn't.

The flavor I had originally identified as nail-polish remover has softened a tad. But it's still unpalatably tarry and woodsy to my taste, almost veering into Pine-O-Kleen territory. What little caramel there is, is stuck under this huge honking woodsy note which takes over everything in sight.

I am really sorry about this because I am a fan of Highbrow's products and philosophy. Their fruit flavours like peach,orange and lemon are standard setters and their Malt Toffee is probably my favourite candy liquid. But this one is not for me. Into the swap pile.

 

[lettucehead]

My 40 years of smoking were like a long, bad marriage to someone I both loved and hated, who loved and hated me just as much in return.

This.
This is one of the best smoking/vaping analogies I have heard.

Brilliant...

 

[passerbyeus]

Must find new RY4

 

[scarf-ace]

Must find new RY4

Chefjosh was reviewing stuff from indigovapor.com on another thread. It sounded interesting. You should try a few and send me the ones you don't like

 

[passerbyeus]

well from this "earthy finish" from the signature tobacco....I shall pass......

Chefjosh was reviewing stuff from indigovapor.com on another thread. It sounded interesting. You should try a few and send me the ones you don't like

 

[billherbst]

I have a new custom RY4 (new to me, anyway) that's steeping, with another on the way. Soon, passer...

 

[On Target]

I have a new custom RY4 (new to me, anyway) that's steeping, with another on the way. Soon, passer...

Come on Bill, tell us what they are. Don't keep us in suspense!

 

[On Target]

I have a question for Tribeca users. Seems to me I have to re-fill my carto's more frequently when using this juice. It could be that I am vaping it more often than other juices but I don't think so. Has anyone else noticed this juice seems to vape quicker than others?

 

[Roxxette]

I have a question for Tribeca users. Seems to me I have to re-fill my carto's more frequently when using this juice. It could be that I am vaping it more often than other juices but I don't think so. Has anyone else noticed this juice seems to vape quicker than others?

I think you are just chain vaping the tribeca faster mate


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[billherbst]

I have a question for Tribeca users. Seems to me I have to re-fill my carto's more frequently when using this juice. It could be that I am vaping it more often than other juices but I don't think so. Has anyone else noticed this juice seems to vape quicker than others?

On Target,

I've not noticed that any particular juices are used up more quickly than others. That's not to suggest that all juices are similar in that regard, only that I haven't experienced any differences that sufficient to imprint on my memory.

What I do notice is that different hardware---atomizers/cartos/clearos/tanks---has substantially different juice usage rates. In my experience, tanks (whether carto tanks or CEwhatever clearos) go through juice much more quickly than atty-dripping, bottom feeders, or filler-based cartos. With carto tanks especially, but also with certain clearos, I suspect that the seals that keep the pressure steady inside the tank tend to leak air as the volume of juice goes down. In extreme cases, I find that I'm sucking in a significant amount of juice with the vapor.

That's one of the reasons I've pretty much given up on carto tanks. I find them juice hogs that give very undependable performance. They're usually terrific at first, after the initial filling, but that's too often followed eventually by gurgling, juice leaks, and pressure leaks. When they work properly, carto tanks are brilliant, but their performance too often degrades over time.

I'd say the same about CE3 bottom coil clearos (aka "phoenix"). Roughly 70% of the ones I've used have been great at low-voltage (3.7-4.0 volts). The other 30% failed very quickly in the ways i stated above. I don't think I'll buy any more of those.

Overall, the coil systems I use most are 2.6 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearos, Boge and SmokTech single-coil filler cartos in either LR or SR, and 2.5 ohm Kanger T2s (the longer wick versions). I still like my bottom feeders with IKV io6 atties, but the HH357 I had---while producing the best flavor ever---didn't last long enough to justify the high cost.

 

[scarf-ace]

On Target, what sort of cartomizers do you use?

I don't think Tribeca vapes faster than other juices (except the really tasty ones LOL). But I will tell you something I've noticed. The more intensely coloured a juice is, the more quickly it SEEMS to vape....because I mostly use clear dual-coils, and it leaves visible white gaps in the carto filling. Clear or pale juices don't have that effect. Tribeca, being that bright yellow, does. So do my tan and brown liquids.

Just a thought.

 

[On Target]

On Target,

I've not noticed that any particular juices are used up more quickly than others. That's not to suggest that all juices are similar in that regard, only that I haven't experienced any differences that sufficient to imprint on my memory.

What I do notice is that different hardware---atomizers/cartos/clearos/tanks---has substantially different juice usage rates. In my experience, tanks (whether carto tanks or CEwhatever clearos) go through juice much more quickly than atty-dripping, bottom feeders, or filler-based cartos. With carto tanks especially, but also with certain clearos, I suspect that the seals that keep the pressure steady inside the tank tend to leak air as the volume of juice goes down. In extreme cases, I find that I'm sucking in a significant amount of juice with the vapor.

That's one of the reasons I've pretty much given up on carto tanks. I find them juice hogs that give very undependable performance. They're usually terrific at first, after the initial filling, but that's too often followed eventually by gurgling, juice leaks, and pressure leaks. When they work properly, carto tanks are brilliant, but their performance too often degrades over time.

I'd say the same about CE3 bottom coil clearos (aka "phoenix"). Roughly 70% of the ones I've used have been great at low-voltage (3.7-4.0 volts). The other 30% failed very quickly in the ways i stated above. I don't think I'll buy any more of those.

Overall, the coil systems I use most are 2.6 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearos, Boge and SmokTech single-coil filler cartos in either LR or SR, and 2.5 ohm Kanger T2s (the longer wick versions). I still like my bottom feeders with IKV io6 atties, but the HH357 I had---while producing the best flavor ever---didn't last long enough to justify the high cost.

Bill and Roxxette, thanks for the quick replies. I may be vaping Tribeca more heavily than normal, I like it so much (for now anyway).

Bill, I almost exclusively use filler type carto's any more in single coil. Usually a Boge, either SR or LR in XL or standard size. I like the stainless steel variety as it is easy to label what is in them. I use one small strip of scotch tape, write what it is with a sharpie, then put another small strip of tape over this one so the ink does not wipe off. Works for me, is an effective and cheap labeling system. I remember you commenting that you use empty plastic ammo boxes (the type re-loaders use I assume, and I know what you are talking about - I have several but they are loaded up with the real thing LOL). That is a good idea too.

I have used Clearomizers and Ego-Tank systems but no longer do as I do not like them. Occasionally I will drip but I only have tried 2 atty's both in the 2 - 2.2 ohm range. One is a Smoktech and the other is a Joyetech. I am not real fond of either but they get the job done. For dripping, what would you recommend as an alternative?

 

[On Target]

Scarf, I think you and I were replying at the same time! I did not see your post until just now. That is a good observation regarding colors. I will pay closer attention to this detail in the future.

More than likely, Roxxette hit the nail on the head. I am REALLY enjoying Tribeca the past couple of weeks. I never would have thunk it back in May.

 

[billherbst]

specs: The 3ml sample bottle of AC3 from AwesomeClouds that was sent to me by our colleague Cool_Breeze (thanks, Cool!) contains an almost clear but very slightly purplish liquid at 24mg nic in an unspecified base blend. Testing was done using a 2.6 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearomizer powered by a Young-June chrome Vtube set to 4.6 volts, producing 8.1 watts.

First off, let me state that AwesomeClouds must be using some very pure nic liquid, since the throat hit on this 24mg sample of AC3 is, well, awesome. This juice has killer TH. I started my vaping journey totally dependent on throat hit. That has diminished over time. I now appreciate juices at many levels of throat hit, from substantial to none. My sample of AC3 is at the maxed out end of the throat hit scale, so, if you’re a throat-hit lover, you’ve found your custom RY4. If you prefer less throat hit, consider getting AC3 at a lower nic strength---18mg or even 12mg. I’d guess that this juice probably has a nice kick even 6mg.

Here’s the description of AC3 from the AwesomeClouds web site:

This is the ubiquitous RY4 stand in. I just felt compelled to offer one! I love this blend, though I'm not really a tobacco vaper. It is sweet and piney. It has a bit of the burnt sugar characteristic present in the original (which some describe as caramel, but that's a misleading term in this case). I hope to make a couple of the RY4 enthusiasts happy, but I hope everyone enjoys this one as much as I do!​

AC3 is a custom RY4. No question about it, despite the veiled reference in the description to the mythic lost Dekang RY4. Is AC3 “sweet and piney, with a bit of burnt sugar?” Sort of. Yes, it’s sweet, and I do detect a slight aura of pine, but not too much (which is a good thing for me personally, since I’m not big on pine flavor---here it doesn’t bother me at all). I do get the burnt-sugar-caramelized-crème-brulee-cotton-candy character, and it's potent enough to leave my lips a bit sticky. Definitely a dessert RY4, where a general sweetness is more pronounced than either an obvious caramel or rich vanilla.

The tobacco doesn’t stand out, but it’s present and may be the source of the slight piney tone. I can’t tell for sure. It’s pleasing, however, and the strong throat hit should make tobacco lovers happy.

In short, this is a very good dessert RY4 for those with a sweet tooth, although not so much for those who don’t love dessert vapes. Nothing detracts from the overall flavor, and the component ingredients and performance are all good.

AwesomeClouds AC3 grades: A- (for sweet RY4 vapers), C- (for non-sweet vapers).

Link to purchase: AC3

 

[Roxxette]

tastebuds changed Bill ? i remember you despise anything related to "pine" on your liquids

 

[billherbst]

tastebuds changed Bill ? i remember you despise anything related to "pine" on your liquids

Roxxette,

There's pine and there's pine. Think of a very subtle waffles and maple syrup juice, where the maple is just a hint rather than an actual flavor. OK, get rid of the waffles, replace them with tobacco and burnt sugar, and substitute a very subtle pine for the maple syrup. That's AC3.

Keep in mind that I didn't say that I loved it, just that I wasn't put off by it. Most piney juices make me scrunch up my face and stop vaping them. This one didn't.

Or, if none of that pleases you, try this:

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." ---Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

[dcav]

I don't know if it has been reviewed yet, but I like MaddCatt Vapor's RyJ5. I will admit, up front, that I have only had the pleasure of vaping a half dozen Ry4 types and none of them really excited me. I remain enamored with the 'idea' of RY4. This juice however, has become an instant favorite and, even after a couple of weeks, still hits MY sweet spot.
From the website: "MADDHatter RyJ5 -This is RyJ4's darker side. Tobacco is Bold while the caramel is light, the sweet is there, but it only whispers."
Their MaddHatter collection uses, what I read as, a signature tobacco base. Like all 'custom' bases, you either love it or hate it. I happen to love this one. The RyJ5, to me, tastes like a smooth "frosted" tobacco. The caramel notes are there, but not dominant. I wouldn't really call this a 'dark' RY4, but it isn't bright. Definitely more of a tobacco vape and not dessert-like. I don't really pick up any vanilla. The TH is almost nonexistent, but I ordered 12mg at 50/50, so I didn't really expect (or want) TH.
As always, YMMV, this is subjective, etc.
Bill, if you would like a sample, I would be more than happy to send you 5 mils.
Thanks for this great thread, I have been lurking here for months.