The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Bottle #3 of Bill's Beautiful Bottles:
Today I tried DecVap DV4. On first puff, it is very nice. Sweet, with some fragrance that is not at all offensive. It does not taste like an RY4 to me, but I like it a lot. It's an easy, relaxing vape.

All three I have tried so far of Master Bill's RY4's have one thing in common. None are offensive. You guys know what I mean -- so many juices I have tried, including RY4s are just plain nasty. These are all fine - none are unvapeable!
 

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Bottle #3 of Bill's Beautiful Bottles:
Today I tried DecVap DV4. On first puff, it is very nice. Sweet, with some fragrance that is not at all offensive. It does not taste like an RY4 to me, but I like it a lot. It's an easy, relaxing vape.

All three I have tried so far of Master Bill's RY4's have one thing in common. None are offensive. You guys know what I mean -- so many juices I have tried, including RY4s are just plain nasty. These are all fine - none are unvapeable!

Sandy, have you tried Bill's Want 2 Vape DIY RY4 yet? If you like the DV4, I think you will this one very good as well.
 

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I purchased a bottle of RW Vapors RY4 about a week ago in PG/VG blend and 18mg nic strength. RW Vapors does not specify the percentages but I would guess it to be close to 70/30 PG/VG based upon its consistency. The juice was almost completely clear when I opened it from the mailbox, after a week of steeping it has a slight color but still the clearest of any RY4 I have tried.

I can see why this one ranks so high on Bill's favorite's list. The tobacco is clean and has a bit more bite than average but in a good way. The Vanilla and Caramel are so well blended that I cannot pick them apart on my palate. This is a very well blended juice and all 3 components vape together as one. I have not found many (if any) that are this well blended and the end result is yum, yum. Although this juice is not all that sweet and I would not consider it a dessert vape, there is a slight fragrance when vaping - kind of reminds me of cotton candy. (just the fragrance, not the taste)

This one is getting top billing in my RY4 rotation for now. Definitely an "A".
 

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I purchased a bottle of RW Vapors RY4 about a week ago in PG/VG blend and 18mg nic strength. RW Vapors does not specify the percentages but I would guess it to be close to 70/30 PG/VG based upon its consistency. The juice was almost completely clear when I opened it from the mailbox, after a week of steeping it has a slight color but still the clearest of any RY4 I have tried.

I can see why this one ranks so high on Bill's favorite's list. The tobacco is clean and has a bit more bite than average but in a good way. The Vanilla and Caramel are so well blended that I cannot pick them apart on my palate. This is a very well blended juice and all 3 components vape together as one. I have not found many (if any) that are this well blended and the end result is yum, yum. Although this juice is not all that sweet and I would not consider it a dessert vape, there is a slight fragrance when vaping - kind of reminds me of cotton candy. (just the fragrance, not the taste)

This one is getting top billing in my RY4 rotation for now. Definitely an "A".

My nearly 3 month old half-bottle RWVapors RY4, which is Boosted and cut from 36 ml to 24 has turned a moderate rosey-orangish color. It remains very translucent with no significant cloudiness.

The store bought juices I get I try to ration and I lean toward DIY. All supplies are up fairly well and I shouldn't purchase new ones, but probably will.

The give-aways in the forum have produced some pretty nice samples for me and I have followed up on a couple of them. VaporStation VS4 for one.

I recently had a sample of Vaperite VR4 and very much enjoyed that organic based mix.

These days, I'm DIYing coils and wicks. The wicks tend to last longer with clear juices. I think the future will hold a lot of clear juices for me. I have a long ways to go to get there.
 

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specs: The 30ml bottle of Myshell’s RY4 I purchased during HighDesertVapes’ recent 50% off sale (thanks to sandy beach---her donation paid for this) is a medium caramel-colored liquid at 24mg nic strength in a 50/50 pg/vg blend. Testing was done by dripping into a 2.1 ohm Joye LR510 atty powered by a Young-June black chrome Mini Vtube set to 4.4 volts, for 9.2 watts.

I like HighDesertVapes as one of my go-to vendors for DIY flavoring concentrates. They sell Capella Flavor Drops (re-labeled as Ella’s Flavor Drops). Plus, they stock Flavor Apprentice and Flavor West concentrates as well, all at very fair prices. Never had any of their retail juices before, though. This is my first.

Myshell’s RY4 is not merely a custom RY4. It’s a very, very custom RY4, so much so that it almost leaves RY4 Land to emigrate into the Kingdom of Caramel, in the way PinkSpotVapors RY8 did. I’m willing to call Myshell's an RY4 (just barely), in part because that’s what it’s named (duh), and also because I do pick up the vanilla. Mostly, however, Myshell’s RY4 wants to be a caramel-tobacco blend, with substantial tobacco and very strong caramel.

Being caramel dominant is not unusual. In the Category Groups, the Caramel-Rich category contains 27 retail RY4s. That's one-quarter of the entire Big List! Few of the 27 are as extreme in their caramelity (I just made up that word…) as Myshell’s RY4, however. COV4 from Clouds of Vapor leans in this direction, but the caramel there is softer. The caramel in Myshell’s RY4 is concentrated, sort of compressed into the midrange, with a slightly burned quality to it, a bit like crème brulee, but harsher. Caramelizing sugar requires burning, so in itself that’s not a bad thing.

What most mars this juice for me is the lack of harmony between the three primary ingredients. The particular tobacco, caramel, and vanilla used in Myshell's RY4 don't seem to complement each other as beautifully as in the most superlative RY4s. In other words, I think the individual ingredients are probably fine, but the combination is not as wonderful as we would wish. In this, Myshell's RY4 reminds me of DIYFlavorshack RY4: Good ingredients, but a less-than-hoped for result.

The inevitable question that arises in judging this juice is: Since the caramel dominates the flavorscape, how tasty is the caramel in Myshell’s RY4? Well, it’s not my favorite---not by a long shot. Those honors go to VapeKing VK4 and VapeRite VR4. On the other hand, Myshell's isn't my least favorite, either. It falls somewhere in the middle of the caramel-rich RY4s, which is where my personal grade for Myshell’s RY4 is going to be.

HighDesertVapes Myshell’s RY4 grade: C+

link to purchase: Myshell’s RY4
 
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I made some w/o the vanillia... I agree, it's ok, not great but not bad. Still looking

Preliminaraly, I'm liking ECigExpress's Tobacco Express RY4. Bill rates the TPA RY4 Double higer and I haven't compared one-on-one. I have no more TPA RY4 Double to mix. A comparison of my adulterated of my TPA-RY4-D batch with TE-RY4 wouldn't quite be Hoyle.
 
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specs: I ordered a 10ml bottle of FlavourArt’s RY4 flavoring concentrate from Liberty-Flights. I mixed a 15ml bottle of DIY juice using 5% concentrate at 24mg nic strength in a 70/30 pg/vg base blend. The juice is almost colorless and transparent, with only the slightest tint of amber, so little that it’s visible only when held up to the light. I sampled it fresh after mixing, but the flavors tasted raw and unblended, so I steeped it open-bottle for a week. Testing was done by dripping into a 2.1 ohm Joye LR510 atty powered by a Young-June black chrome Mini Vtube set to 4.4 volts, for 9.2 watts.

I made (and steeped) three different mixes of FA RY4 in preparation for this review. The first was a 3% mix (1-3% is FlavourArt’s published recommendation for most of their tobacco flavorings). That one didn’t have sufficient flavor for my palate, so I whipped up two more: 5% and 11%. The 11% batch was clearly too much concentrate; flavors were muddied and not vibrant, and the juice was downright lousy. The 5% batch was what I settled on for this review.

The best thing I can say about the finished juice made from FA premixed RY4 flavoring is this: “It’s not bad.” I don’t mean that in the “reverse” way some folks talk, such as, “You know, this isn’t too shabby!” No, I mean it literally. FA RY4 flavoring is not bad. There’s nothing in the finished juice (at a 5% mix) that makes me want to gag or put down the PV. And that’s important. Really important. Anything I don’t like about a juice grabs my attention quicker and more intensely than whatever I do like about it. Sorry, that’s just how I’m wired: The absence of bad stuff is more important than the presence of good stuff, at least in the beginning. Sure, any juice I love must have some pretty wonderful qualities, but that’s not the initial filter. First, a juice has to pass muster by not putting me off, and FA RY4 gets to the second round on that score.

Well, then what do I like about it? Not too much, really. The tobacco is OK, but just OK. The caramel and vanilla are acceptable, but they don’t sing like in some RY4s. The overall combination is nothing to write home about, adequate but not special. I pick up something that my brain wants to call fruit more than caramel-vanilla, but I think my brain is wrong. I guess I could write that the lack of too much sweetness is a good thing---which would be true if the caramel and vanilla sang arias---but they don’t. As a result, the lack of sweetness is just that---a lack of sweetness. As a DIY flavoring, none of the three FA RY4s I made has the taste or impact of a good custom RY4 (such as TFA RY4 Double) or the sparkle of a good classic RY4 (such as TFA RY4 Asian). Nor are they as tasty as either Tobacco Express RY4 or Ruyan 4, which are amply flavorful mixed at 3%.

Maybe it’s my fault. (My intuition tells me that this could be true.) Perhaps the juice hasn’t steeped long enough, or I inadvertently killed it by using too much flavoring (5%). Either mistake is possible as user-error. As it stands now, however, I’m unimpressed. I will steep the juice longer (which means simply that I’ll put it away in my juice stash for a couple weeks) and then try it again. If it’s better, I’ll happily apologize, append this review, and raise the grade. For now, though, this horse seems to me less a thoroughbred than a nag.

FlavourArt RY4 flavoring concentrate grade: C-

link to purchase: FlavourArt RY4 concentrate from Liberty Flights
 
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I have some RY4 Asian from TPA due in hopefully tomorrow. Planning to mix it at 18mg and 70/30 pg/vg.

Any recommendations on flavor percentage? I'm more familiar with FA tabacco flavors at around 5% but in the review on this thread I notice Bill mixed the tpa asian at 21%. :blink:

Thanks in advance.
 

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I have some RY4 Asian from TPA due in hopefully tomorrow. Planning to mix it at 18mg and 70/30 pg/vg. Any recommendations on flavor percentage?

chohan,

I've experimented with both TFA RY4s---Double and Asian---quite a bit since that review was written back in April. I've scaled back to 15% now with both of those particular concentrates, since steeping intensifies their flavors. If you like FlavourArt tobacco flavorings at 5%, I'd think you might be happy with either of the Flavor Apprentice RY4s at 10%. Obviously, you could start out at 5% and see how it goes, but I'm betting that 5% won't be enough. Neither of TFA's RY4 flavorings is super-concentrated (which seems generally true of TFA's entire line of flavorings), unlike some FA flavorings and all of the Tobacco/Fruit Express lines.

As I gain more experience and savvy about DIY, I find myself mixing with less flavoring. For example, Want2Vape---whose RY4 flavoring is wonderful, in my opinion---recommends mixing all its flavorings at 20%, but I've reduced that to 15% with good results. W2V's Campfire Coffee is terrific at even less, 10-12%.
 

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chohan,

I've experimented with both TFA RY4s---Double and Asian---quite a bit since that review was written back in April. I've scaled back to 15% now with both of those particular concentrates, since steeping intensifies their flavors. If you like FlavourArt tobacco flavorings at 5%, I'd think you might be happy with either of the Flavor Apprentice RY4s at 10%. Obviously, you could start out at 5% and see how it goes, but I'm betting that 5% won't be enough. Neither of TFA's RY4 flavorings is super-concentrated (which seems generally true of TFA's entire line of flavorings), unlike some FA flavorings and all of the Tobacco/Fruit Express lines.

As I gain more experience and savvy about DIY, I find myself mixing with less flavoring. For example, Want2Vape---whose RY4 flavoring is wonderful, in my opinion---recommends mixing all its flavorings at 20%, but I've reduced that to 15% with good results. W2V's Campfire Coffee is terrific at even less, 10-12%.

Thanks for the input Bill. 15% sounds pretty good since I prefer my flavor on the strong side, I've gone as high as 10% with FA desert ship but that got to be a bit over the top after vaping it a while. I agree concerning the W2V ry4 although I haven't tried their flavoring yet. I did test a sample pack from them last week and their ry4 was one of the best I've tried so far... like a mouth full of creamy warm caramel. I will admit though that my ry4 experience to date is probably tiny compared to yours and others here.

Let me take the opportunity to thank you and the others for a fantastic thread... one thing is certain, I'm a strong and constant fan of ry4 and this thread has been a goldmine.

cheers,
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Thanks for the input Bill. 15% sounds pretty good since I prefer my flavor on the strong side, I've gone as high as 10% with FA desert ship but that got to be a bit over the top after vaping it a while. I agree concerning the W2V ry4 although I haven't tried their flavoring yet. I did test a sample pack from them last week and their ry4 was one of the best I've tried so far... like a mouth full of creamy warm caramel. I will admit though that my ry4 experience to date is probably tiny compared to yours and others here.

Let me take the opportunity to thank you and the others for a fantastic thread... one thing is certain, I'm a strong and constant fan of ry4 and this thread has been a goldmine.

cheers,
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10% with Desert Ship?? Holy cow I couldn't even vape that and I mix around 1% personally.

So this question goes out to DIY of Ry4. What is the best caramel , vanilla and nut flavoring you have used for a successful RY4 creation?
 

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10% with Desert Ship?? Holy cow I couldn't even vape that and I mix around 1% personally.

So this question goes out to DIY of Ry4. What is the best caramel , vanilla and nut flavoring you have used for a successful RY4 creation?

1%??? Wow. You must have uber-sensitive taste buds. I've never used any flavoring where a 1% mix could make me happy. Sure, in a complex diy recipe that calls for multiple flavorings, we might use 1% of a certain flavor, or even just a drop or two of something like Tobacco Absolute or Acetyl Pyrazine, but, for a single-flavor juice, I can't imagine liking 1%. Your mileage obviously varies, LOL.

As for your question, what I understand you to be asking is: Which component flavorings from which specific flavoring manufacturers have worked well to produce a great diy RY4 from scratch? Out of the literally hundreds---probably thousands---of available tobacco, caramel, vanilla, and nut flavoring concentrates, who makes the best ingredients to whip up a superlative RY4?

My personal, subjective response is the same as the one I offered to Cool_Breeze three days ago (link: post #2976)---none.

I haven't had any success making RY4s from scratch. And---believe me---I've tried. Lots of different flavorings, both in types and source companies, lots of different recipe mixes. Apparently I'm just lousy at cooking up RY4.

It's a little like pizza (sigh, I can't eat pizza anymore in my old age and state of decrepitude, and boy, do I miss it!). You have choices: You can make pizza from scratch, order it delivered from a pizzeria (chain or custom), buy it frozen in the grocery store, and some pizza places even sell cook-your-own delivery pizza, where they make the pizza fresh when you order, and you cook it in your own oven.

Well, that last option is sort of what the pre-mixed RY4 flavoring concentrates offer. At least the good ones. The RY4 flavoring concentrates that aren't so wonderful are more akin to grocery store frozen pizza. Anyway, for those of us (meaning me) who seem to be terminally impaired at creating RY4s from scratch, the best of the RY4 flavoring concentrates represent a fairly happy compromise.
 

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Bill, you can't eat pizza?!?!?
You have my deepest and most heartfelt condolences. Seriously, I am weeping for you.

He lives in Oregon dont think they specialize in pizza out there lol. Bill come out to Chicago and Ill gladly show you the best pizza you will ever have!

Yea most tobacco mixes for me are fine around 1-2% and that is using FA tobaccos and DK Tab. One thing I have found when mixing is sometimes you will miss out on some notes if it is mixed too strong. You get completely different note of flavors from low to high. One thing is sure is that everyone has different tastes.

Greetings...

...a couple of questions.

What is Acetyl Pyrazine?

How about tweaks. I mentioned to Bill that the Vanilia portion of the collection of RY4's seems to be to the light side. Bill, have you done any tweaking of store-bought or DIY RY4 concentrates?

AP is used to produce a nutty popcorn like flavor to your mix. I have yet to pick up some of this myself. There is a thread dedicated to discussing this certain molecule here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/276601-acetyl-pyrazine.html

I been using nut mix by FA and I like it very much. The only thing with the nut mix is if you use too much caramel or EM your mix can pretty much taste like peanut butter.
 

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Bill, you can't eat pizza?!?!?
You have my deepest and most heartfelt condolences. Seriously, I am weeping for you.

scarf,

No carbs permitted in my digestive system or bloodstream, specifically no grains. Don't ask me to explain. It's too depressing.


He lives in Oregon dont think they specialize in pizza out there lol. Bill come out to Chicago and Ill gladly show you the best pizza you will ever have!

ToweKnee,

Pizza is universal and ubiquitous. It's everywhere. I spent considerable time visiting Chicago earlier in my life, however, and I grant you that pizza is good there. In truth, I was never as much a pizza connoisseur as I was a pizza gourmand. I used to joke that I never met a pizza I didn't like, and that if a tractor-trailer semi drove over a pizza lying in the road, I've peel if off the pavement and eat it. LOL.

RIP, pizza. (Sigh.)
 

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AP [Acetyl Pyrazine] is used to produce a nutty popcorn like flavor to your mix.

Thanks, TK.

I'd add also that Acetyl Pyrazine is often used to add a bread-like or doughy component to eliquids. With cake-flavored juices, for instance, a tiny bit of AP (which, like Tobacco Absolute, must be used in extremely diluted concentrations) makes the juice taste more like cooked cake eaten with a fork and less like uncooked batter licked off a spoon. It's a component in many bakery-dessert juices.
 
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