The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

Hey, all.. could anyone tell me the difference between janty's dk and elixir ry4? I'm leaning toward the elixir so I can mix pg and vg blend unless the dk is that much better. I have seen no talk on this thread of the elixir..I would love something like ave's RAF, my all time fave thus far and holy grail. I've seen that compared to RAF..

And by the way, I appreciate the info given previously on Indigo. I have been trying their ry4, not the classic, and have been impressed. It does seem very well blended to me and quite classic itself from my understanding of the definition... the santa sauce ain't bad either...

MisterC,

Do you know how to search within a thread? I didn't until recently, but it might be a newly-added feature, for all I know. It's indispensable for hunting down specific info in long threads like this one. Right above the first post on each page are five pull-down menus. The third one is "Search thread," which searches for terms within this thread only. I searched for "elixir" and came up with six pages of posts. Some of those are updates of The Big RY4 Lists, but yes---Janty Elixir has been discussed on the thread many times.

I've had all but one of the Janty RY4s---Classic, Classic RY4X (with stronger tobacco and a slightly altered flavor profile), Elixir, and DK-Series. I've never had Vitaya, and the 2ml sample of Classic I had is long gone.

Check out this post of mine from Nov 27, 2012. It goes into the history and differences between the various Janty RY4 versions:

post #3257: Three RY4s from Janty

Personally, if I were ordering just one, I'd go for Janty RY4 DK-Series rather than Elixir-Series, but that's just me. YMMV.

Both Indigo RY4 and Indigo Classic are darn good, in my opinion.

 

[Zombitedesade]

Hey, all.. could anyone tell me the difference between janty's dk and elixir ry4? I'm leaning toward the elixir so I can mix pg and vg blend unless the dk is that much better. I have seen no talk on this thread of the elixir..I would love something like ave's RAF, my all time fave thus far and holy grail. I've seen that compared to RAF..

And by the way, I appreciate the info given previously on Indigo. I have been trying their ry4, not the classic, and have been impressed. It does seem very well blended to me and quite classic itself from my understanding of the definition... the santa sauce ain't bad either...

I reviewed the Vitaya mixes a long old time ago, in this very thread, a search might come up, I haven't tired.

From what I recall, (I've never really gone out my way to purchase more) I was left somewhat disappointed in the vitaya vareints. Whilst the Ry4 was the better of the selections (ry7 wasn't very prolific in any regard and is possiley the weakest vapour producing liquid I've ever vaped). Fundemtnally, there is the classic janty base in play with the vitaya variants, but they just don't perform to the standards expected. They lack bite and the crisp clarity of janty Ry4 proper. In some instances steeping helped, though useually it made them sweeter rather then blended into a cohesive whole. They also lack the signature sourness I especially love from janty Ry4. A slightly confused and mixed bag for my tastes, not bad by any stretch of the imagination, just, perhapes not daring enough.

Overall, whilst still very, very good Ry4 by the standards of many, i couldn't truly recormend them over standard janty Ry4. Purchased, expecting very little, I suspect you'd be pretty pleased with them, buy them expecting a true revolution in Ry4 or even something as good as Janty's signature blends and you might be left wanting a little.

Regarding Elixiar in general, there is actually very, very little to distinguish between it and classic. It's slightly less sour on the exhale, blended well and rounded off expertly.

If left unable to order classic, you could do much worse then Elixiar.

 

[MisterCombo21]

MisterC,

Do you know how to search within a thread? I didn't until recently, but it might be a newly-added feature, for all I know. It's indispensable for hunting down specific info in long threads like this one. Right above the first post on each page are five pull-down menus. The third one is "Search thread," which searches for terms within this thread only. I searched for "elixir" and came up with six pages of posts. Some of those are updates of The Big RY4 Lists, but yes---Janty Elixir has been discussed on the thread many times.

I've had all but one of the Janty RY4s---Classic, Classic RY4X (with stronger tobacco and a slightly altered flavor profile), Elixir, and DK-Series. I've never had Vitaya, and the 2ml sample of Classic I had is long gone.

Check out this post of mine from Nov 27, 2012. It goes into the history and differences between the various Janty RY4 versions:

post #3257: Three RY4s from Janty

Personally, if I were ordering just one, I'd go for Janty RY4 DK-Series rather than Elixir-Series, but that's just me. YMMV.

Both Indigo RY4 and Indigo Classic are darn good, in my opinion.

Odd, that link went to the most recent page of posts... I usually search the thread but must not have in this case, know I tried google permutations and didn't come up with much. Thanks for reposting, found it via the post number.. Exactly what i was looking for... I also didn't know the ratios, also quite good to know... Janty World USA doesnt have a ton of information or some of it seems contradictory. The description for elixir says it is the original from 2007 whereas the classic and DK descriptions mention nothing of being classic... It also has different juices under the juices tab from searching the thread through the USA filter... Got a handle on it now.

Just read that dulcis is once again available, been waiting to try that one... I think ill try that over the janty for now....

As always, thanks for sharing the info...

 

[Jerms]

Janty World USA doesnt have a ton of information or some of it seems contradictory. The description for elixir says it is the original from 2007 whereas the classic and DK descriptions mention nothing of being classic...

I'm confused too that JantyUSA says the elixir series is the original and gives very little info on the others. I was under the impression the DK series had the original. I plan on ordering the original soon, what's the correct original original Bill?

Not a fan of the site. How do you have a juice called Koreanesque with no description. Is it a tobacco?

My only experience with Chinese liquid is from prefilled cartos, and wasn't a fan at all. Still, I'm really looking forward to trying the original RY4. May get a couple variations of it but they don't seem to explain the differences well. RY4 X, based off our standard RY4 flavor. More info please Janty!

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[billherbst]

I'm confused too that JantyUSA says the elixir series is the original and gives very little info on the others. I was under the impression the DK series had the original. I plan on ordering the original soon, what's the correct original original Bill?

I'm really looking forward to trying the original RY4. May get a couple variations of it but they don't seem to explain the differences well. RY4 X, based off our standard RY4 flavor. More info please Janty!

Jerms,

I'm afraid Janty's right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing. Yes, it is confusing, and yes, I too think their site design stinks.

For a long time, Janty claimed in their product page descriptions that their RY4 from the Classic series was the original. Then they listed RY4 Elixir as the original. Apparently their marketing team is very fond of slapping the label "original" on everything, LOL. Janty RY4-X from the Classic Series is RY4 Classic with a stronger tobacco component, and maybe additional but minor recipe tweaks to rebalance the juice. Same ingredients, though. You'd think Janty could just come right out and tell us that, but Noooooooo.

When the DK-series was announced, Ludo (one of Janty's owners) posted a clarification on ECF about the history and recipe profiles of each Janty Series (DK, Classic, Elixir, Vitaya, especially as it pertained to the "true" original Janty RY4.

All that info is included in the post I wrote in late November last year that I linked earlier today. I'll link it again:

post #3257: Three RY4s from Janty

 

[Jerms]

Thanks again for the info Bill, you da man. Plan is than I'll get the one from the DK series and the X from the classic series. I like the sound of a stronger tobacco from the X, but it may be the tobacco aspect that I didn't like in Chinese liquids. Won't find out until I try them.

As someone who only vapes American juices, I'm going to have to make a conscience effort to get to know these juices on their own terms. Like I said, I've only had Chinese tobacco liquids in prefilled cartos, and they had a similar tanginess that made me think "I don't know what you are, but I don't like you." If these contain that similar note, it'll take me a bit to get accustomed to it and decide if I like it in an unbiased manner. If anything, I am patient with juices, and try to find what I like about it and a way to enjoy it. Even if in the end I find little that makes it work for me, at least I'll have the experience of trying the OG of vape juices.

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[betterBquietnow]

Dear Mr. Bill and other awesome people who make this thread the best of the best on ECF,

I have a question I've been dying to resolve, and I need to enlist someone with big time juice experience and a refined palate. I come to this thread constantly to try new juices of the BIG LIST and its been a frequent producer of some of my all time favorite juices. Really, this thread has lead me to gold! Here's the thing -- I have a one and only, best of the best, truly all day vape that I vape day-in day-out and have done so for about 6 months. Every night I refill my carto-tank with it, and every morning i wake up craving it, and every day it satisfies. Problem -- its not an RY4! Why is this a problem? Well, because I love it so much but can't for the love of god put my finger on WHY! See, if it was an RY4, there'd be in depth discussion here as to what notes and intricacies of my juice tickle my fancy. As is though, I'm lost lost lost and wish I knew more about why I like it so so so much. Is it caramely? Chocolatey? Waffles and syrup? Nutty? Please help. I'm hoping maybe you have tried it, or someone has, but if not I'd be more than happy to send a sample to get your feedback. I must know whats in this juice so I can say "oh, this new juice is heavy on the XXXX, i bet I will like it because thats like my favorite juice!"

What is it? RAWR VAPOR'S J55.

I vape it at 18mg, 70/30 pg/vg, in a 2.2 ohm Boge cartomizer in a tank, at about 3.8-4.2 volts depending on my fancy (i think it tastes best at lower wattages, so 3.8 is pretty ideal)

Please oh please wise RY4 gods, I beg of you, free me (and my unenlightened palate) from our utter ignorance!

 

[Zombitedesade]

Dear Mr. Bill and other awesome people who make this thread the best of the best on ECF,

I have a question I've been dying to resolve, and I need to enlist someone with big time juice experience and a refined palate. I come to this thread constantly to try new juices of the BIG LIST and its been a frequent producer of some of my all time favorite juices. Really, this thread has lead me to gold! Here's the thing -- I have a one and only, best of the best, truly all day vape that I vape day-in day-out and have done so for about 6 months. Every night I refill my carto-tank with it, and every morning i wake up craving it, and every day it satisfies. Problem -- its not an RY4! Why is this a problem? Well, because I love it so much but can't for the love of god put my finger on WHY! See, if it was an RY4, there'd be in depth discussion here as to what notes and intricacies of my juice tickle my fancy. As is though, I'm lost lost lost and wish I knew more about why I like it so so so much. Is it caramely? Chocolatey? Waffles and syrup? Nutty? Please help. I'm hoping maybe you have tried it, or someone has, but if not I'd be more than happy to send a sample to get your feedback. I must know whats in this juice so I can say "oh, this new juice is heavy on the XXXX, i bet I will like it because thats like my favorite juice!"

What is it? RAWR VAPOR'S J55.

I vape it at 18mg, 70/30 pg/vg, in a 2.2 ohm Boge cartomizer in a tank, at about 3.8-4.2 volts depending on my fancy (i think it tastes best at lower wattages, so 3.8 is pretty ideal)

Please oh please wise RY4 gods, I beg of you, free me (and my unenlightened palate) from our utter ignorance!

Hopefully some one here has indeed tried the juice and can enlighten you a little more. I haven't had that specific brand of RAWR juice, I have however tried their Ry4. Personaly, I wasn't overly keen. I found it to have a heavy pine chemical flavour in its tobacoo which refused to blend well with the strong caramel aftertaste on the exhale.

I can say however, the 55 in the name would indicate to me it's likely a variant on 555. A popular tobacoo blend that's pretty common on vaping stores the world over. 555 is traditionally known for its nutty edge, useually described as a peanut esque flavour mixed with a light, golden Virginia style tobacoo. It's quite sweet for a tobacoo blend, but mostly remembered for its peanut quality.

Does the mix you like have a nutty taste to you?

In other news my 3 bottles of Janty DK Ry4 have just showed up, review incoming soon of those.

 

[billherbst]

Dear Mr. Bill and other awesome people who make this thread the best of the best on ECF,

I have a question I've been dying to resolve, and I need to enlist someone with big time juice experience and a refined palate. I come to this thread constantly to try new juices of the BIG LIST and its been a frequent producer of some of my all time favorite juices. Really, this thread has lead me to gold! Here's the thing -- I have a one and only, best of the best, truly all day vape that I vape day-in day-out and have done so for about 6 months. Every night I refill my carto-tank with it, and every morning i wake up craving it, and every day it satisfies. Problem -- its not an RY4! Why is this a problem? Well, because I love it so much but can't for the love of god put my finger on WHY! See, if it was an RY4, there'd be in depth discussion here as to what notes and intricacies of my juice tickle my fancy. As is though, I'm lost lost lost and wish I knew more about why I like it so so so much. Is it caramely? Chocolatey? Waffles and syrup? Nutty? Please help. I'm hoping maybe you have tried it, or someone has, but if not I'd be more than happy to send a sample to get your feedback. I must know whats in this juice so I can say "oh, this new juice is heavy on the XXXX, i bet I will like it because thats like my favorite juice!"

What is it? RAWR VAPOR'S J55.

I vape it at 18mg, 70/30 pg/vg, in a 2.2 ohm Boge cartomizer in a tank, at about 3.8-4.2 volts depending on my fancy (i think it tastes best at lower wattages, so 3.8 is pretty ideal)

Please oh please wise RY4 gods, I beg of you, free me (and my unenlightened palate) from our utter ignorance!

betterB,

Rawr is one of a number of popular juice vendors I haven't tried. I've read reviews of their juices and have been to their site numerous times, but never ordered anything for one reason or another.

I just did an Advanced Google search for Rawr J55 on ECF and came up with numerous posts where it's mentioned, but not a single in-depth review. How strange.

Yes, as Zombite wrote, it's obviously Rawr's take on 555, a nutty tobacco blend.

How nice that you found a juice you love so deeply, and so faithfully! I'm pretty much a juice bumblebee, flitting from one flower to another.

Since there are apparently no reviews of J55 on ECF, perhaps you should take a stab at writing one. Start a thread, write whatever you can about J55, and others may chime in.

 

[billherbst]

A brief discussion took place last night on the Natural Tobaccos thread about Vermillion River NETs.

In the exchange, johni (one of my ECF friends) made this statement:

VR Kentucky Pemium Blend is a NET with RY4 flavoring. It's decent if you like RY4s and more realistic being a NET.

Well, sort of. Uh, maybe. But probably not.

Kentucky Premium Blend is Vermillion River’s flagship tobacco eliquid from the 2011 Class of 2nd generation NETs. It’s definitely a hybrid, since it adds sweet flavorings. Premium is used as the base for a whole gaggle of VR spin-off tobacco blend juices that alter the original Premium hybrid flavor profile by adding usually one other extra flavoring---Kentucky Amaretto, Applewood, Banana, Blend No. 7 (whiskey-flavored), Cherrywood, Maplewood, Peachwood, Vanilla, and KY4. Kentucky Premium Blend is the proud papa of all those further hybridized juices. A virtual smorgasbord of spin offs.

To my palate, Kentucky Premium Blend is a sweetened caramel-tobacco blend, at least caramel and tobacco are the two predominant flavors I can discern. It may have a smidgen of vanilla, but it’s not obvious. If it were, Vermillion River wouldn’t have needed to offer Kentucky Vanilla Blend.

Personally, I wouldn’t describe Kentucky Premium as an RY4, although technically Kentucky Vanilla Blend qualifies. I hesitate, however, to affirm Kentucky Vanilla as a bonafide RY4 for two reasons. First, KY4 is Vermillion River’s “official” version of RY4. In the spring of 2012, VR announced with some fanfare that they were coming out with their own RY4, so even they didn't consider Kentucky Vanilla to be one. Again, if they did, then why create KY4? Second, despite using the RY4 Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla, Kentucky Vanilla doesn’t taste like an RY4 to me. Maybe it should, but it doesn't. Kentucky Vanilla tastes like a caramel tobacco to which vanilla has been added. Don't get me wrong: Kentucky Vanilla is a tasty juice---it was one of my favorites for a long time---but for some reason, the ingredients just don't add up to RY4. Instead, they combine in a different way. On the other hand, KY4 tastes like an RY4 (as it should), but neither Kentucky Vanilla nor Kentucky Premium does.

That’s why Kentucky Premium and Kentucky Vanilla don’t appear on The Big RY4 List, but KY4 does.

Is there a moral to this story? I don't know, maybe that ingredients alone are not always the measure of an RY4.

 

[billherbst]

Thanks to the efforts of ECF member 440BB, I have received from Dawn---the owner, flavorist, and juice mistress of DIYFlavorShack---15ml bottles of each of the six different RY4s that DIYFlavorShack now offers. Holy Cow. Six different RY4s. Dawn is now the Grand Prize Winner for Most RY4s Offered by One Vendor.

Here are the six versions:

RY4
Caramel RY4
Caramel Vanilla RY4
Sweet RY4
RY4 Aces
Holy Holy Grail RY4
​

I’ve already reviewed two of them: RY4 and Caramel Vanilla RY4, but that was more than a year ago, so---armed with new bottles of freshly made juice---I intend to review all six RY4s in a frenzy of compare-and-contrast-madness. How are they alike? How are they different? How good are they?

Since these RY4s were made to order, I’ll give them a week to steep, then we’ll have an RY4 review party. Oh, such fun! Stay tuned.

 

[Jerms]

Bill, I did a search on this thread for NLV Renegade, and my wonky tapatalk app only showed up to post #480, where you mentioned a revised version coming out. Can you link me to your review or better yet let me know your current impressions on their RY4? That post was over a year and a half ago, has there been further revisions?

The reason I'm interested is I got around to ordering Gold and Bounty Hunter a couple months since they are now easy to procure through LiteCigUSA. Over 10ml in to both I've decided I liked both, quite a bit actually. I haven't yet pondered over what I'm specifically tasting much at all, just mainly that BH is gooey, rich, and sweet and Gold is rich and sweet. While I'm sure they use tobacco flavoring in the recipe, to me it's hidden so much in the other flavors I don't detect it. No matter, I consider them both delicious as dessert vapes. Even BH, while being VERY sweet, to me isn't TOO sweet.

Since I'm growing fond of these, I'm wondering how I would like some of the other "tobaccos" by NLV. If some contain more pronounced tobacco (that's fine) or just more variations on a sweet, dessert vape (that's fine too!). Wondering, is there a reason I see Gold and BH mentioned so much more often than any other by NLV? Two trick pony perhaps? Other than Renegade, have you tried others from them that are worth mentioning. I'm most curious about the new Harbor Night (virginia tobacco (or so claimed), with nuts and chocolate), Line Rider (555?), and Lighthouse (analog?).

And not just Bill, but any NLV fans (or enemies) on this thread that has an opinion on their RY4 or any other juice they offer.

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[billherbst]

Bill, I did a search on this thread for NLV Renegade, and my wonky tapatalk app only showed up to post #480, where you mentioned a revised version coming out. Can you link me to your review or better yet let me know your current impressions on their RY4? That post was over a year and a half ago, has there been further revisions?

The reason I'm interested is I got around to ordering Gold and Bounty Hunter a couple months since they are now easy to procure through LiteCigUSA. Over 10ml in to both I've decided I liked both, quite a bit actually. I haven't yet pondered over what I'm specifically tasting much at all, just mainly that BH is gooey, rich, and sweet and Gold is rich and sweet. While I'm sure they use tobacco flavoring in the recipe, to me it's hidden so much in the other flavors I don't detect it. No matter, I consider them both delicious as dessert vapes. Even BH, while being VERY sweet, to me isn't TOO sweet.

Since I'm growing fond of these, I'm wondering how I would like some of the other "tobaccos" by NLV. If some contain more pronounced tobacco (that's fine) or just more variations on a sweet, dessert vape (that's fine too!). Wondering, is there a reason I see Gold and BH mentioned so much more often than any other by NLV? Two trick pony perhaps? Other than Renegade, have you tried others from them that are worth mentioning. I'm most curious about the new Harbor Night (virginia tobacco (or so claimed), with nuts and chocolate), Line Rider (555?), and Lighthouse (analog?).

Jerms,

Bounty Hunter made NLV, and GOLD cemented NLV's huge success. Those two juices were the flagships of NLV's juice line-up. I presume they still are. I loved both for a long time. Now I merely like them, but I do vape both sporadically. Given the NETs that are my preference these days, both BH and GOLD feel like TINOs to me. Yeah, there's synthetic tobacco in there somewhere, but darned if I can find it. They remain, however, tasty dessert juices.

Renegade RY4 was among the initial group of juices NLV offered, some of which vanished fairly quickly, and I've had both the original Renegade and one revision. Further reformulations may exist, but I don't know anything about that.

Below is my review of the original Renegade RY4, from the very first post in this thread, way back in June 2011:

From the web site: “Renegade is NLV's version of the popular RY-4 (by Ruyan), a smooth flavor of toasted/roasted nuts with soft tones of caramel and vanilla blended in a sweet tobacco flavor.”

Like Bluemist RY4, NiteLiteVapor Renegade is a transparent and almost clear liquid. This RY4-variant [now we'd call it a Custom RY4] 65PG/35VG blend has strong tobacco impact and substantial throat hit. I can taste a slight nuttiness, but just barely. The other flavor components also take a less flavorful back seat, receding into the tonal background. As a straight tobacco vape, Renegade excels (I also like NLV Bounty Hunter). As an RY4, however, it doesn’t make me sit up and take notice. With more caramel and vanilla, however, NLV Renegade could morph into a prize-winning RY4.​

The revised Renegade had more caramel and vanilla flavoring, which altered the profile somewhat, reducing the formerly strong impact of the tobacco. On The Big RY4 Report Card, Renegade is in the B group---meaning good but not great.

So much for ancient history.

I just grabbed the loaded carto of Renegade RY4 (the revised version) on my desk and re-sampled it. Renegade is definitely a Custom RY4, but it has some of the bright, efferverscent quality of Classic RY4s. Almost sparkly high end. I don't think Janty needs to worry, but Renegade is pretty good. It's a decent, serviceable, better-than-average, enjoyable RY4.

Back in the day, Gene was extremely generous with a whole group of ECF members who supported NLV early on. I was in that group that was gifted often with free juices. Gene gave me about two jugs each of BH and Gold, so I haven't needed to order any since late 2011 and will probably never need to again. I'm not inclined to participate in any of the Vendor Love-Fest party threads (which is diplomatic understatement), so I'm pretty much out of the loop about NLV today and can't comment on any new juices.

 

[moishesmom]

Bounty Hunter & Renegade are about the only two shelf juices I buy (always add menthol to them) & really like them. I do have the new Harbor Nite & sadly must say I'm very disappointed. I don't taste anything in it. I know that 'taste is subjective' blah-blah, but none that I can relate to. I must confess that my taste buds are shot, however, I don't get the 'nutty' or the 'chocolate' or anything for that matter. Soooo.....

 

[Jerms]

Thanks for the info guys, Renegade def seems like worth a shot. I was going to check out the NLV thread (if it still exists) but can't imagine I'd get much unobjective opinions there. I really see why these juices got so popular back in the day. Pull off a well made juice without any off notes or chemical or perfumy tones and you have recipe for success a couple years back.

We as vapers seem to demand more from our juices these days as far as originality, authenticity, or bringing something new to the table. Understandable, since there are so many great vendors to choose from now doing amazing things. But I still get caught off guard by how wonderful some of these older juices are. Bobas Bounty still occasionally grabs my attention as something wonderful going on, and I almost never stay interested in even fantastic juices past the 30ml mark.

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[thehangdude]

Bounty Hunter & Renegade are about the only two shelf juices I buy (always add menthol to them) & really like them. I do have the new Harbor Nite & sadly must say I'm very disappointed. I don't taste anything in it. I know that 'taste is subjective' blah-blah, but none that I can relate to. I must confess that my taste buds are shot, however, I don't get the 'nutty' or the 'chocolate' or anything for that matter. Soooo.....

To me, Harbor Nite is exactly the same as BWB's Casablanca. They taste the same in every detail. Even when I vape them side by side, I can not tell any difference.

 

[Jerms]

To me, Harbor Nite is exactly the same as BWB's Casablanca. They taste the same in every detail. Even when I vape them side by side, I can not tell any difference.

That would be a good reason for me to avoid it. I didn't like Casablanca at all. Out of the few tobaccos I've had from BWB the 555 exotic was the only one I cared for. Sadly, never did get a chance to try their RY4.

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[moishesmom]

Thanks for the info guys, Renegade def seems like worth a shot. I was going to check out the NLV thread (if it still exists) but can't imagine I'd get much unobjective opinions there. I really see why these juices got so popular back in the day. Pull off a well made juice without any off notes or chemical or perfumy tones and you have recipe for success a couple years back.

We as vapers seem to demand more from our juices these days as far as originality, authenticity, or bringing something new to the table. Understandable, since there are so many great vendors to choose from now doing amazing things. But I still get caught off guard by how wonderful some of these older juices are. Bobas Bounty still occasionally grabs my attention as something wonderful going on, and I almost never stay interested in even fantastic juices past the 30ml mark.

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NLV is now only being sold thru Welcome litecigusa.com - BlueHost.com - pretty good move as now you get your order in approx. 2 days. BTW..Renegade is an excellent choice. There's also been a hefty price increase to $15 for 30ml bottle but that's not to bad considering that we were really spoiled with the old price; on the other hand, shipping is very reasonable as well as VERY quick.

 

[moishesmom]

To me, Harbor Nite is exactly the same as BWB's Casablanca. They taste the same in every detail. Even when I vape them side by side, I can not tell any difference.

Hey Dude....Can you explain the taste to me? I can't taste anything & feel so left out of the loop by all the wonderful descriptions everyone goes on & on about; I've never had Casablanca so I have no comparison.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

NLV is now only being sold thru Welcome litecigusa.com - BlueHost.com - pretty good move as now you get your order in approx. 2 days. BTW..Renegade is an excellent choice. There's also been a hefty price increase to $15 for 30ml bottle but that's not to bad considering that we were really spoiled with the old price; on the other hand, shipping is very reasonable as well as VERY quick.

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