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nerak

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I found out yesterday that my brother-in-law has be diagnosed with Gillian-Barre. He will have to have all his blood run through for cleaning about 5 times. Then he will be looking at intensive therapy, and relearning speech.

He got a flu shot right before this happened.

Please think a little extra and look up the possible side effects of vaccinations including the flu shot. Gillian-Barre patients usually have been recently vaccinated.

I will NOT get a flu shot or any other vaccination. It is just not worth it.
 

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It's been cloudy & drizzling all morning, but I just walked the yard and was surprised to find a lily blooming. Cut a bunch of roses too. I guess I never paid attention to how long into the year plants bloom. Kind of digging this non-apartment life.
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Incredibly sexy and stunning, Jen. I like the other one, too, (over in photos thread) but I like them both the same. Okay.... I LOVE THEM!!!!!!

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Sorry to hear about your BIL, K. For what it's worth, I agree with you about flu shots. We're slowly destroying our ability to fight infection on our own with them.

Thank you Dave. I think he is still in ICU. It was very bad. Information is not coming in too good. Just what I can pick up on FB. I don't know the extent of the damage before they started treatment.

It is horrifying to me that some work places require their employees to get the flu shot. They are pushed upon so many.
 

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Sorry to hear about your BIL, K. For what it's worth, I agree with you about flu shots. We're slowly destroying our ability to fight infection on our own with them.

Yep....I had to run Teagan in this morning for shots and had to have the discussion with "them" about the flu shot. They of course are recommending it to everyone, but after I explained that I believe in getting sick so our bodies learn to fight the illness on their own. They quickly agreed and changed the recommendation to those who have compromised immune systems. Teagan and I discussed it on our own not too long ago, because she was worried she was missing something important. So I gave her the reader's digest version of the benefits and failings of the flu shot and why I refuse to get one and in the end, she seemed to understand why. I told the NP that we believe in getting sick....and she laughed while silently giving me a thumbs up.
 

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I found out yesterday that my brother-in-law has be diagnosed with Gillian-Barre. He will have to have all his blood run through for cleaning about 5 times. Then he will be looking at intensive therapy, and relearning speech.

He got a flu shot right before this happened.

Please think a little extra and look up the possible side effects of vaccinations including the flu shot. Gillian-Barre patients usually have been recently vaccinated.

I will NOT get a flu shot or any other vaccination. It is just not worth it.

(((((Karen))))))
 

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I found out yesterday that my brother-in-law has be diagnosed with Gillian-Barre. He will have to have all his blood run through for cleaning about 5 times. Then he will be looking at intensive therapy, and relearning speech.

He got a flu shot right before this happened.

Please think a little extra and look up the possible side effects of vaccinations including the flu shot. Gillian-Barre patients usually have been recently vaccinated.

I will NOT get a flu shot or any other vaccination. It is just not worth it.

Sorry for bad "luck" for your BIL. It's a real toss up about certain vaccines. And things are proven and disproven all the time about side affects and diseases, conditions, syndromes that are purportedly set off by vaccinations. Many viruses, though, are going to mutate naturally anyway, some at alarming speeds. Influenza is one of those. Usually what is questioned, besides virus mutating, is other ingredients/carriers in vaccines. One has to look at facts, statistics, and legitimate controlled studies to make informed decisions. And then make informed decisions about whether one wants to risk getting the disease, and possibly dying from it, or secondary illness(es), or risk any side affects, if they are legitimately suspected.

I've started doing titers for the dogs vaccinations instead of yearly for most. Most US Vets way over vaccinate pets for sure. I can't critisize them too much as Vets deserve a decent income, it's really expensive to run any clinic, and it's the only way most pet owner will get yearly check-ups on their pets. I usually have at least one dog, at yearly check-up that has a serious ear infection that we didn't even know they had. And dental problems, for sure, will shorten the life of a pet and cause other illnesses. Although leading rabies vaccines protect for 3 years, in the state of Texas, we have to give them yearly or risk dog being quarantined if they give someone so much as a nick. On top of that fines. Medical facilities have to report all dog bites and even if it's your own dog you still have to quarantine them if they aren't current with yearly rabies shot.

Last year was the first time in 3 years I got a flu vaccination. It was after having a particularly bad bout of an influenza, with brain swelling, and unable to even get out of bed, for over a week without assistance. Actually I really had little usable conscious brain function during that time as I was "out" cold for a week except for a few minutes a day when DH or helper made me get up for fluids and bathroom. Bronchitis, which I'm not really prone to get with most flu/colds, kept me very sick for over a month. It never went into serious secondary bacterial lung infection but that's a major risk with any influenza especially as we get older. That's the usual killer with influenza and it kills many thousands of people.

Not wanting to argue here but people really need to be informed before making such important decisions.

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I agree, Alice...it's a hard decision to make...because some are good, if not necessary. For my family...we all have very healthy immune systems. I don't feel we need the flu vaccine. I also avoid taking medications whenever possible so my system doesn't build up a tolerance to them. However, I'm not above taking something when it is needed. But there is a demographic that does need the vaccine...and I think a lot of people should pay attention to the goods and bads before making a decision that could negatively impact their lives...either way. It is just hard for folks to sit down and focus on it....there's too much info out there and hard to tell what is legit and what is a pitch. Especially difficult for those of us who don't speak medicalese.
 

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Yep....I had to run Teagan in this morning for shots and had to have the discussion with "them" about the flu shot. They of course are recommending it to everyone, but after I explained that I believe in getting sick so our bodies learn to fight the illness on their own. They quickly agreed and changed the recommendation to those who have compromised immune systems. Teagan and I discussed it on our own not too long ago, because she was worried she was missing something important. So I gave her the reader's digest version of the benefits and failings of the flu shot and why I refuse to get one and in the end, she seemed to understand why. I told the NP that we believe in getting sick....and she laughed while silently giving me a thumbs up.

With many viruses our bodies do produce immunity. But influenza viruses mutate so rapidly we probably won't have protection for the next one we are exposed to in a few weeks/months. That's why it is recommended to get a second, updated virus, in spring, especially for those "at risk." I would have done as you did for Teagan and yourself as long as neither of you were immune challenged. Elderly are particularly at risk for serious complications and death from many things younger people aren't. Lisa, you are still "young people." DH gets them because he is elderly, is exposed to so many people, and flies on airplanes twice a week. I, personally, usually get a cold and sometimes influenza after plane trips. And, even though DH rarely gets anything he brings all kinds of stuff home to me.

I'm not a bacteria germaphobe but I'm a major cold/influenza virus "magnet." I'm the person who grabs the wipes, at entrance of store, handfuls, and wipes much of cart down, and continuous wiping going through store. We keep bacteria/virus wipes in all cars, around the house, and several packages in my purse. Throw any bacteria at me and my system will kill it fast but not so with cold/influenza. I dip almost every grocery item in bleach water before putting up especially produce.

Every time I eat out it is a risk for getting a cold or influenza. Oh, yeah, anti wipes on table at restaurants almost all the time.

DH's system, on the other hand, is great at fighting off viruses. Bacteria is more of any enemy for him. Fragile skin does come along with aging. He usually gets at least one scratch from a Bub when he comes in from trips on his arm or hand and it always bleeds like crazy. If he doesn't clean, antibacterial cream, and bandage immediately he will get an infection in the small wound. I've taken antibacterial drugs only a few times in my life and I'm exposed to all kinds of things all the time. DH got a pseudonymous infection under a fingernail the one time he backwashed the pool. He almost lost the finger. (We repossessed a Mastiff that had several skin and systemic infections secondary to something that could have been easily taken care of, in beginning, if treated properly. He had very little hair left and was covered with open sores. We fought it for a year and finally had to put him down. He was shedding pseudonymous and others, all over the place, the whole time. None of the other dogs or I had any problems but DH certainly did.)

Hugs, Alice

{edit} DH maintained he picked up the fingernail infection from backwashing the pool. (At that time I hadn't gotten heavy downpour running into pool from yard under control.) That gave him a "reason" to never backwash pool again.:mad:
 
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I agree, Alice...it's a hard decision to make...because some are good, if not necessary. For my family...we all have very healthy immune systems. I don't feel we need the flu vaccine. I also avoid taking medications whenever possible so my system doesn't build up a tolerance to them. However, I'm not above taking something when it is needed. But there is a demographic that does need the vaccine...and I think a lot of people should pay attention to the goods and bads before making a decision that could negatively impact their lives...either way. It is just hard for folks to sit down and focus on it....there's too much info out there and hard to tell what is legit and what is a pitch. Especially difficult for those of us who don't speak medicalese.

Yeah, it's really tough even for those of us in medical fields and who do try to keep up. The scariest thing for me, personally, is the brain swelling, when I get influenza, even if symptoms of influenza are mild. Doctors haven't been able to determine why I get it so badly. I usually get at least one influenza infection when I've had the vaccinations. Rarely do I not have some incapacitating brain swelling.

BTW.... Jack, when we had lunch, Sunday, I didn't whip out the santi-towelettes, as I normally do. I was "living on the edge."

Hugs, Alice
 
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