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@Rayonati Sloth Ok, watched the rest of the vid. Really liked it. And loved the music. 
I'd tried Rayon one time, but totally didn't stuff it like that. So that may have been why I didn't like it. I'm really interested in getting some type of atty (down the road when I can) that I can use a single coil and get my kind of vape. I'm a tootle puffer. I don't like a lot of heat at all, don't care about clouds. What's important to me is TH, and flavor and easy! hehehe I could handle the wicking like you did once I get a really sharp pr of scissors or get mine sharpened. I'd love to use the SS316L for the reasons you mentioned. Here are my questions and would like your opinion:
If I build lower, will I be able to get a good TH? I currently build 30g dual coils (gives me more flavor and TH than singles) in a derringer that net 1.3 ohms, wick with KGD. Love my derringer, but like I said would love to eventually get something like a stumpy or maker so I can do a single coil. Oh, and I use 22-24mg nic and 70-73 pg juice so I can get a good throat hit and flavor...... higher vg makes my chest feel heavy. I do make my own juice
Since the ohms go higher when you hit it, how long do you need to let it cool before you squonk again so as not to burn the juice. I noticed you did wait, but you were talking. Only reason this is somewhat important is cuz due to an injury, I forget everything. So I currently vape....ok.....I need to squonk that was getting dry. Lemme let it cool off a bit. Pick the mod back up, vape (cuz I done forgot I was posed to squonk by now). Repeat this process a few times til I get a really icky hit cuz I still haven't squonked.
Just as a guess, what would you recommend as far as wire gauge and ohm build on a single for when I get the right kind of atty, to get me a good throat hit, and flavor, but not a lotta heat? Or is that even gonna happen at all with SS??
Thanks darlin!
PS I'd also love to be able to use a lower gauge cuz I can barely see the 30g. Makes it real interesting trying to clip leads on duals without clipping the wires that go through the holes
I'd tried Rayon one time, but totally didn't stuff it like that. So that may have been why I didn't like it. I'm really interested in getting some type of atty (down the road when I can) that I can use a single coil and get my kind of vape. I'm a tootle puffer. I don't like a lot of heat at all, don't care about clouds. What's important to me is TH, and flavor and easy! hehehe I could handle the wicking like you did once I get a really sharp pr of scissors or get mine sharpened. I'd love to use the SS316L for the reasons you mentioned. Here are my questions and would like your opinion:
If I build lower, will I be able to get a good TH? I currently build 30g dual coils (gives me more flavor and TH than singles) in a derringer that net 1.3 ohms, wick with KGD. Love my derringer, but like I said would love to eventually get something like a stumpy or maker so I can do a single coil. Oh, and I use 22-24mg nic and 70-73 pg juice so I can get a good throat hit and flavor...... higher vg makes my chest feel heavy. I do make my own juice
Since the ohms go higher when you hit it, how long do you need to let it cool before you squonk again so as not to burn the juice. I noticed you did wait, but you were talking. Only reason this is somewhat important is cuz due to an injury, I forget everything. So I currently vape....ok.....I need to squonk that was getting dry. Lemme let it cool off a bit. Pick the mod back up, vape (cuz I done forgot I was posed to squonk by now). Repeat this process a few times til I get a really icky hit cuz I still haven't squonked.
Just as a guess, what would you recommend as far as wire gauge and ohm build on a single for when I get the right kind of atty, to get me a good throat hit, and flavor, but not a lotta heat? Or is that even gonna happen at all with SS??
Thanks darlin!
PS I'd also love to be able to use a lower gauge cuz I can barely see the 30g. Makes it real interesting trying to clip leads on duals without clipping the wires that go through the holes
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Mornin' ville!
@Debadoo thanks hun I so would have loved to be there for that porcher get together! Aw I envy you all...that must be so awesome to get together in a big house with a bunch of REOnauts!!!
Regarding SS, yes I think you'd get the TH you're looking for if you build lower, but I'm not sure, because I get so little TH anyway due to high VG (80+%) and low nic (4mg or less). SS is notably smoother than kanthal, but if all the variables are right I'd imagine you'd get a good TH from an SS build.
Regarding cool down and burnt juice, I think I may have confused you. That should be less of an issue with SS than Kanthal because overall SS is a cooler vape, with less heat. As the resistance goes up during a hit, the coil is essentially becoming cooler. Think of it almost functioning like a regulated mod in one way - I know some regulated mods will push extra wattage at the pulse, to increase the ramp up to your desired wattage, but then tames down to your desired wattage once it has landed there.
So, I'm vaping on a stumpola right now with a 24g single coil 8 wraps which is .29 ohms. But really, I'm getting the vape of a .4 ohm coil (that seems to be as high as it's going when I hit it). So my .29 ohms is just pushing that 60 watts, and taming down to whatever wattage .4 is. The 60 watts could just be seen as a regulated pulse to get me to my actual desired wattage, if that makes sense.
It dissipates heat quickly, quicker than a kanthal build (or so it seems, anyway), and for instance I get less "sizzle" after letting off the fire button and ending my draw. (You may not hear sizzle anyway at 1.3 ohms)
If you're vaping at 1.3 usually, you'd want to experiment in the 1 ohm range with SS. So, I'd say that 30ga SS and 28g SS are what you should try out if you're aiming for a single coil. 30ga SS single coils will land you where you want to be I think. 28 as well, and it'd be worth experimenting with both IMO to see what you prefer. You may even want to try a .8 or .9 build, which will still, for the most part, be more like a 1 ohmish build in terms of heat, etc.
By the way, an atty that can run a center build like a Stumpy, Maker, I believe the O-16, etc., will produce a greater TH by the nature of having a coil in the center (it is farther from the airhole).
I know what you mean about thin wire being tough to see and work with. I like thicker gauge for that reason, as well. The thicker the gauge, the easier it is to work with, even beyond being easier to see - just seems more malleable, less likely to snip when tightening the posts, etc. Running a thicker gauge than you're used to, of SS instead of kanthal, will be so remarkably easy in comparison to building dual 30g kanthal builds you'd probably fall back in your chair laughing at how easy it is!
I'm no expert and have only been using this wire a little less than 2 weeks, so anyone around here who knows more than me, hop on in to this conversation, educate us all
@Debadoo thanks hun
I so would have loved to be there for that porcher get together! Aw I envy you all...that must be so awesome to get together in a big house with a bunch of REOnauts!!!Regarding SS, yes I think you'd get the TH you're looking for if you build lower, but I'm not sure, because I get so little TH anyway due to high VG (80+%) and low nic (4mg or less). SS is notably smoother than kanthal, but if all the variables are right I'd imagine you'd get a good TH from an SS build.
Regarding cool down and burnt juice, I think I may have confused you. That should be less of an issue with SS than Kanthal because overall SS is a cooler vape, with less heat. As the resistance goes up during a hit, the coil is essentially becoming cooler. Think of it almost functioning like a regulated mod in one way - I know some regulated mods will push extra wattage at the pulse, to increase the ramp up to your desired wattage, but then tames down to your desired wattage once it has landed there.
So, I'm vaping on a stumpola right now with a 24g single coil 8 wraps which is .29 ohms. But really, I'm getting the vape of a .4 ohm coil (that seems to be as high as it's going when I hit it). So my .29 ohms is just pushing that 60 watts, and taming down to whatever wattage .4 is. The 60 watts could just be seen as a regulated pulse to get me to my actual desired wattage, if that makes sense.
It dissipates heat quickly, quicker than a kanthal build (or so it seems, anyway), and for instance I get less "sizzle" after letting off the fire button and ending my draw. (You may not hear sizzle anyway at 1.3 ohms)
If you're vaping at 1.3 usually, you'd want to experiment in the 1 ohm range with SS. So, I'd say that 30ga SS and 28g SS are what you should try out if you're aiming for a single coil. 30ga SS single coils will land you where you want to be I think. 28 as well, and it'd be worth experimenting with both IMO to see what you prefer. You may even want to try a .8 or .9 build, which will still, for the most part, be more like a 1 ohmish build in terms of heat, etc.
By the way, an atty that can run a center build like a Stumpy, Maker, I believe the O-16, etc., will produce a greater TH by the nature of having a coil in the center (it is farther from the airhole).
I know what you mean about thin wire being tough to see and work with. I like thicker gauge for that reason, as well. The thicker the gauge, the easier it is to work with, even beyond being easier to see - just seems more malleable, less likely to snip when tightening the posts, etc. Running a thicker gauge than you're used to, of SS instead of kanthal, will be so remarkably easy in comparison to building dual 30g kanthal builds you'd probably fall back in your chair laughing at how easy it is!
I'm no expert and have only been using this wire a little less than 2 weeks, so anyone around here who knows more than me, hop on in to this conversation, educate us all
Mornin' ville!
@Debadoo thanks hun
Regarding SS, yes I think you'd get the TH you're looking for if you build lower, but I'm not sure, because I get so little TH anyway due to high VG (80+%) and low nic (4mg or less). SS is notably smoother than kanthal, but if all the variables are right I'd imagine you'd get a good TH from an SS build.
Regarding cool down and burnt juice, I think I may have confused you. That should be less of an issue with SS than Kanthal because overall SS is a cooler vape, with less heat. As the resistance goes up during a hit, the coil is essentially becoming cooler. Think of it almost functioning like a regulated mod in one way - I know some regulated mods will push extra wattage at the pulse, to increase the ramp up to your desired wattage, but then tames down to your desired wattage once it has landed there.
So, I'm vaping on a stumpola right now with a 24g single coil 8 wraps which is .29 ohms. But really, I'm getting the vape of a .4 ohm coil (that seems to be as high as it's going when I hit it). So my .29 ohms is just pushing that 60 watts, and taming down to whatever wattage .4 is. The 60 watts could just be seen as a regulated pulse to get me to my actual desired wattage, if that makes sense.
It dissipates heat quickly, quicker than a kanthal build (or so it seems, anyway), and for instance I get less "sizzle" after letting off the fire button and ending my draw. (You may not hear sizzle anyway at 1.3 ohms)
If you're vaping at 1.3 usually, you'd want to experiment in the 1 ohm range with SS. So, I'd say that 30ga SS and 28g SS are what you should try out if you're aiming for a single coil. 30ga SS single coils will land you where you want to be I think. 28 as well, and it'd be worth experimenting with both IMO to see what you prefer. You may even want to try a .8 or .9 build, which will still, for the most part, be more like a 1 ohmish build in terms of heat, etc.
By the way, an atty that can run a center build like a Stumpy, Maker, I believe the O-16, etc., will produce a greater TH by the nature of having a coil in the center (it is farther from the airhole).
I know what you mean about thin wire being tough to see and work with. I like thicker gauge for that reason, as well. The thicker the gauge, the easier it is to work with, even beyond being easier to see - just seems more malleable, less likely to snip when tightening the posts, etc. Running a thicker gauge than you're used to, of SS instead of kanthal, will be so remarkably easy in comparison to building dual 30g kanthal builds you'd probably fall back in your chair laughing at how easy it is!
I'm no expert and have only been using this wire a little less than 2 weeks, so anyone around here who knows more than me, hop on in to this conversation, educate us all
I'm excited about giving ss a try, for my Z coil builds. I ordered some 26g and 24g yesterday, from Temco. When I'm out and about today, I may stop by one of our local B&Ms, to see if they have any. We have one shop that a friend of mine owns, that's pretty up on things, like regulated stuff, TC, etc. He always looks at me like I'm a dinosaur, when I show up with one of my REOs. (Actually, I am a dinosaur. But not because of the REOs. Just because I'm old).
I think you'll like it! I just hope I haven't hyped it up so much it disappoints you. I think I tend to do that when something works well for me, I get so excited. But it is great stuff. I look forward to hearing your take on it my friend
Hahaha....LMAO Me and @oldbroad we're in the HO and she was trying to help me pick a patina mini for stealth vaping. I clicked on the one she liked (#11) and it said sold out. I clicked on my favorite (#7) with the blue and bought it without realizing I already had the other one...so now I have two. That's what happens when you send two old broads shopping.
Mornin' ville!
@Debadoo thanks hun
Regarding SS, yes I think you'd get the TH you're looking for if you build lower, but I'm not sure, because I get so little TH anyway due to high VG (80+%) and low nic (4mg or less). SS is notably smoother than kanthal, but if all the variables are right I'd imagine you'd get a good TH from an SS build.
Regarding cool down and burnt juice, I think I may have confused you. That should be less of an issue with SS than Kanthal because overall SS is a cooler vape, with less heat. As the resistance goes up during a hit, the coil is essentially becoming cooler. Think of it almost functioning like a regulated mod in one way - I know some regulated mods will push extra wattage at the pulse, to increase the ramp up to your desired wattage, but then tames down to your desired wattage once it has landed there.
So, I'm vaping on a stumpola right now with a 24g single coil 8 wraps which is .29 ohms. But really, I'm getting the vape of a .4 ohm coil (that seems to be as high as it's going when I hit it). So my .29 ohms is just pushing that 60 watts, and taming down to whatever wattage .4 is. The 60 watts could just be seen as a regulated pulse to get me to my actual desired wattage, if that makes sense.
It dissipates heat quickly, quicker than a kanthal build (or so it seems, anyway), and for instance I get less "sizzle" after letting off the fire button and ending my draw. (You may not hear sizzle anyway at 1.3 ohms)
If you're vaping at 1.3 usually, you'd want to experiment in the 1 ohm range with SS. So, I'd say that 30ga SS and 28g SS are what you should try out if you're aiming for a single coil. 30ga SS single coils will land you where you want to be I think. 28 as well, and it'd be worth experimenting with both IMO to see what you prefer. You may even want to try a .8 or .9 build, which will still, for the most part, be more like a 1 ohmish build in terms of heat, etc.
By the way, an atty that can run a center build like a Stumpy, Maker, I believe the O-16, etc., will produce a greater TH by the nature of having a coil in the center (it is farther from the airhole).
I know what you mean about thin wire being tough to see and work with. I like thicker gauge for that reason, as well. The thicker the gauge, the easier it is to work with, even beyond being easier to see - just seems more malleable, less likely to snip when tightening the posts, etc. Running a thicker gauge than you're used to, of SS instead of kanthal, will be so remarkably easy in comparison to building dual 30g kanthal builds you'd probably fall back in your chair laughing at how easy it is!
I'm no expert and have only been using this wire a little less than 2 weeks, so anyone around here who knows more than me, hop on in to this conversation, educate us all
Thank you Sloth for your inspiring video! I just adore you! You've got me motivated to try something new here with the SS. (Thank you Deb for your questions too). I typically run in the 1.3 arena. Not that I've done a ton of experimenting, just a habit. I use 28 kanthan on a 2.5 (again, not exhaustive research). I know that the 6 wraps that I use is probably not enough surface area but I haven't explored more. I'm happy to go below 1 if it will taste good. I'm all about flavor and am leaning into DLH with my o-16's and a wide drip tip. (Thus far, I'm not interested in duals, as I'm a bit of a sloth).
So as a first step (toe in water), does it seem reasonable to go with a bit of the 28 SS on a 2.5 starting with how many wraps?
Have I mentioned lately, how much I adore Reoville? (Let me know if I should move this question to our other thread?
@Robinowitz thanks So, I decided to mess around with Steam Engine a bit...here's a screenshot of a hypothetical 1 ohm build with SS 316L 28ga 2.5mm ID
As you can see, quite a cool vape there in terms of heat flux on a full battery. Heat capacity's fine, so that's alright. Let's compare it to your current 6 wrap 28ga Kanthal build:
That's a tad warmer, with a nicer heat capacity. Let's try building a little lower to see if we can match it:
Getting there. It seems 28ga SS isn't going to provide the same vape you're looking at so let's instead take a glance at 30ga.
Well now, that looks like a heck of a vape! Warmer than your current setup, (well, at least in terms of the initial firing...) and quicker ramp up to boot.
So maybe for you and @Debadoo, 30ga SS is the place to begin. Or you could try building as low as .7 or so with 28ga which I can say is a mighty fine vape (I've tried it, 2.5mm ID). I think 30 and 28 are worth playing around with. Any preconceived notions of moderate sub-ohm may just be tossed to the wayside with SS316L - it's so much smoother and cooler than a kanthal build of the same resistance.
Keep me posted ya'll!
ETA yeah, sorry guys, if we need to move this to the other thread, we can do so now
So, I decided to mess around with Steam Engine a bit...here's a screenshot of a hypothetical 1 ohm build with SS 316L 28ga 2.5mm IDAs you can see, quite a cool vape there in terms of heat flux on a full battery. Heat capacity's fine, so that's alright. Let's compare it to your current 6 wrap 28ga Kanthal build:
That's a tad warmer, with a nicer heat capacity. Let's try building a little lower to see if we can match it:
Getting there. It seems 28ga SS isn't going to provide the same vape you're looking at so let's instead take a glance at 30ga.
Well now, that looks like a heck of a vape! Warmer than your current setup, (well, at least in terms of the initial firing...) and quicker ramp up to boot.
So maybe for you and @Debadoo, 30ga SS is the place to begin. Or you could try building as low as .7 or so with 28ga which I can say is a mighty fine vape (I've tried it, 2.5mm ID). I think 30 and 28 are worth playing around with. Any preconceived notions of moderate sub-ohm may just be tossed to the wayside with SS316L - it's so much smoother and cooler than a kanthal build of the same resistance.
Keep me posted ya'll!
ETA yeah, sorry guys, if we need to move this to the other thread, we can do so now
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As you can see, quite a cool vape there in terms of heat flux on a full battery. Heat capacity's fine, so that's alright. Let's compare it to your current 6 wrap 28ga Kanthal build:
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That's a tad warmer, with a nicer heat capacity. Let's try building a little lower to see if we can match it:
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Getting there. It seems 28ga SS isn't going to provide the same vape you're looking at so let's instead take a glance at 30ga.
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Well now, that looks like a heck of a vape! Warmer than your current setup, (well, at least in terms of the initial firing...) and quicker ramp up to boot.
So maybe for you and @Debadoo, 30ga SS is the place to begin. Or you could try building as low as .7 or so with 28ga which I can say is a mighty fine vape (I've tried it, 2.5mm ID). I think 30 and 28 are worth playing around with. Any preconceived notions of moderate sub-ohm may just be tossed to the wayside with SS316L - it's so much smoother and cooler than a kanthal build of the same resistance.
Keep me posted ya'll!
ETA yeah, sorry guys, if we need to move this to the other thread, we can do so now
Thanks Sloth. I've been fooling around with Steam Engine, in anticipation of my 316L arrival. It looks like I'll be using the 24g in order to get enough wraps in the Stumpys and Makers. So far, the 24g looks better suited than the 26g.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards 24g myself. I do enjoy the 26ga as well, and generally don't like being lower than .5ish but I can't help it lately - these .3 ohm 24ga builds are so nice and dense and flavorful.
They're not identical twins. I don't know if Kay will want one of them. She had picked out the one on the right but I had liked the one with blue on the left. The light shines weird on it in this pic, but they are both very pretty.
I'm thinking I may experiment with spaced dual 26g in the Mantas. Maybe I can eliminate those crazy leg bends I do. But for the single Z coil in the Stumpy and Maker, the 24g looks better. We'll see.
He does really creative work. I just LUV it. I'm going to transfer my brass RM2 to the mini on the left and put brass Derringer on my lacewood woodvil with a drip tip that's white pearlescent with pink roses. The mini feels heavy in the hand, and perfectly fits my small palm. I don't know if Kay wants the one on the right, but if she doesn't, it's up for grabs.Those are soooo gorgeous
Do keep me posted - that goes for anyone who tries the SS. Make sure to tag me because sadly I don't make it over here nearly as much as I should. What can I say, I am a sloth
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