The war against electronic cigarettes

[Vocalek]

There is research from at least 20 years ago showing that quitting smoking causes distress to a level that matches those of people hospitalized for depression and/or anxiety. When you learn that nicotine is being researched as a treatment for depression and anxiety (as well as many other conditions) the symptoms make a lot of sense. What we are seeing is not some "drug addict" on a jones -- we are seeing the result of taking away a treatment that keeps a serious condition under control.

Some of the physical symptoms are also a result of the smoke damage starting to reverse itself -- coughing often doubles or triples and becomes more "productive", but this is usually something that clears up after a couple of weeks.

Researcher John Hughs says that "withdrawal symptoms" that last much longer than six weeks are actually not caused by withdrawal, but evidence of an underlying condition that was being well controlled by nicotine.

Addendum: Since we take in a fraction of the nicotine per puff than we did from smoking, we may be seeing depression or anxiety emerging as a reult of being "under treated." Potential solutions include: vape more often, user higher strength nictoine, or add a pharmaceutical medication.

 

[rothenbj]

Elaine, or "If you're happy and you know it, pop a snus!"

One of the members apparently extracted some of the other tobacco alkaloids from snus, I believe. He then added them to a sampling of PV liquid. A few of the earlier pioneers sampled it and found it more satisfying than what is produced today. Unfortunately, it was before my time on the dark side so I have no personal knowledge.

That being said, a matured processed liquid may be able to capture those alkaloids and made the liquid more acceptable to those of us that appear to need something extra. On a small scale the process apparently was pretty labor intensive. However a manufacturing process could make it feasible. I have read you mention the combination you've used before, but I don't think the patch or gum would provide what some of us get from snusing or using products like stonewalls.

 

[Exylos]

Well I will simply say that after I started to vape, I experienced some of the things that my father did when he cold turkey quit. When I asked a german doctor about it he said and I quote.

"The couching is your lungs releasing the Tar, completely normal rather you used the PV or not, when I asked about the feeling that I needed the smoke, as the vaper did not feel right he said this, Nicotine is Addictive and the most addictive thing in the cigarette, BUT it is by no means the only addicting thing. The human body can get addicted to ANYTHING. It doesn't have to be classified as addictive. But that being said there are over 5000 chemicals in a cigarette, so of them you can guarantee that at least 100 of them are. The fact is Nicotine is just the worst so its the one everyone jumps on. But those other addicting chemicals and a combination of them can and probably are just as bad as the nicotine. But the worst 1 chemical you are treating, but your body is still cold turkeying the other 99."

Now bare in mind those numbers are subjective, and he was right two weeks and the only symptom I had was the couching up evil icky shyte, and that was gone before the end of a month.

 

[Petrodus]

V2Cigs.com speaks the truth
don't be fooled by the FDA!

Don't tear-up the video pointing out it's a commercial
Watch the entire video
Truth is Truth...Regardless of the source
Discussion below the video



I'm impressed with a marketer of E-cigarettes
sticking his neck out proclaiming the truth...
E-cigarettes help people to stop smoking cigarettes!
Yes, E-cigarettes are a smoking cessation and in
the same category of Nicotine gum and the patches.

Great video to have on the Net promoting E-cigarettes
The public will choose where to buy E-cigarettes

 

[GregH]

The problem with this video -- and this is a huge problem -- is that the courts have said in no uncertain terms what will happen to marketers/manufacturers of e-cigarettes who 'stick their necks out proclaiming the truth': they will be regulated as drug delivery devices under the FDCA.

The reason NJoy (and Smoking Everywhere) have prevailed so far in the court system is because they are marketing their products as a recreational smoking alternative, not smoking cessation aids in the same category of Nicotine gum and the patches.

It's videos like this that make a nice holiday gift to the FDA. I just hope these guys haven't stuck all of our necks out with this video.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

The problem with this video -- and this is a huge problem -- is that the courts have said in no uncertain terms what will happen to marketers/manufacturers of e-cigarettes who 'stick their necks out proclaiming the truth': they will be regulated as drug delivery devices under the FDCA.

The reason NJoy (and Smoking Everywhere) have prevailed so far in the court system is because they are marketing their products as a recreational smoking alternative, not smoking cessation aids in the same category of Nicotine gum and the patches.

It's videos like this that make a nice holiday gift to the FDA. I just hope these guys haven't stuck all of our necks out with this video.

Given the present situation, I have to agree.

 

[Petrodus]

The problem with this video -- and this is a huge problem -- is that the courts have said in no uncertain terms what will happen to marketers/manufacturers of e-cigarettes who 'stick their necks out proclaiming the truth': they will be regulated as drug delivery devices under the FDCA...

Your correct...Marketers telling the truth is Illegal

Vitamin C cures Scurvy...But it's illegal to include this information on the label.

The FDA does exercise total censorship on health information.
If anything is a health benefit...It is Illegal to make any health claims
UNLESS the product is marketed by Monsanto

The video was uploaded in June 2010... Haven't heard anything about
the FDA attacking V2 and this video is on their website (Our Story)...Click on "About V2"
The V2 website: Click Here

 

[mauzey]

1. The guys got rocks
2. They have chosen the path that their company is going to take, but I think he will hurt the industry as a whole.
3. I did not take up e-Cigs as path to stop smoking. I like smoking, now it's just pretend smoke.

Thanks,
Jeff~

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

The video was uploaded in June 2010... Haven't heard anything about
the FDA attacking V2 and this video is on their website (Our Story)
The V2 website: Click Here

That's true. But we already know the FDA doesn't do any general searches or any real "research".

 

[Petrodus]

That's true. But we already know the FDA doesn't do any general searches or any real "research".

The FDA has gestapo spies EVERYWHERE (including here on the ECF)...
They know all about V2 and this video. They are not attacking V2 for reasons.
A couple of reasons (in my opinion) the overwhelming popularity of E-cigs and the
bad press they would get by warning or shutting down V2 for "Telling the Truth"

They could shut them down...However, the Truth is now all over the Net

Consider the public reaction to the King County ban

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

True. I guess to start a revolution you need an army. And with roughly 20,000 - 30,000 new people trying electronic cigarettes a week they're sweating. Explains their relentless blind fight to ban.

 

[Petrodus]

True. I guess to start a revolution you need an army. And with roughly 20,000 - 30,000 new people trying electronic cigarettes a week they're sweating. Explains their relentless blind fight to ban.

Excellent observation!

The movement is larger than most realize. The silent majority thing.

The movement now includes those that don't even smoke or vape.

Source: The comments on all the King County e-cig ban websites

 

[trying]

At most there are 50 million tobacco users in this country, meaning there are 258 million that do not.
Need to stick to the issues since in a majority math battle we will alway come up short.

 

[Petrodus]

At most there are 50 million tobacco users in this country, meaning there are 258 million that do not.
Need to stick to the issues since in a majority math battle we will alway come up short.

The movement now includes those that don't even smoke or vape.
Source: The comments on all the King County e-cig ban websites

The popularity of E-cigarettes extends into the non-smoking community.
Winning the battle (in my opinion) doesn't hing on numbers who smoke
compared to the numbers who don't smoke.

There are thousands of new smokers every week...So the numbers are
being front loaded!

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

The popularity of E-cigarettes extends into the non-smoking community.
Winning the battle (in my opinion) doesn't hing on numbers who smoke
compared to the numbers who don't smoke.

There are thousands of new smokers every week...So the numbers are
being front loaded!

Ok, but realistically, he's right—we'll always be a minority. Rebels always are a minority (if they weren't, they'd become conformists just to be in the minority again).

We can hope to be a force large enough to be reckoned with, but our only hope, in the end, is a cliche: the Constitution, rule of law and a majority of judges courageous enough to decide in its favor, whatever the political consequences.

 

[Vocalek]

I disagree that this will hurt the industry as a whole. If you read the opinion documents, you will see that the courts view two pathways for this class of product. For those companies that want to market their product with health claims, the FDA may regulate under the FDCA--meaning the vendors will have to file a New Drug Application, conduct animal testing, clinical trials, etc. and gain approval before selling the products labeled with the health claims. For vendors who want to sell the products without health claims, the FDA can regulate under the Tobacco Act (FSPTCA).

 

[vapspaz]

All we need is Al Gore to announce that E-cigs are "GREEN" and that all smokers must convert in order to save the planet. Hell... He probably win another Nobel. lol

They are "GREEN" ya know.

 

[Vocalek]

Mine is blue.

 

[trying]

I disagree that this will hurt the industry as a whole. If you read the opinion documents, you will see that the courts view two pathways for this class of product. For those companies that want to market their product with health claims, the FDA may regulate under the FDCA--meaning the vendors will have to file a New Drug Application, conduct animal testing, clinical trials, etc. and gain approval before selling the products labeled with the health claims. For vendors who want to sell the products without health claims, the FDA can regulate under the Tobacco Act (FSPTCA).

Then in the courts opinion I could take the existing nicotine inhaler, change the marketing claims and sell it as a tobacco product?
They appear to be of pretty simple construction, might make a much cheaper option to the current E-Cigarettes ?

 

[trying]

Then in the courts opinion I could take the existing nicotine inhaler, change the marketing claims and sell it as a tobacco product?
They appear to be of pretty simple construction, might make a much cheaper option to the current E-Cigarettes ?

But why stop there, tobacco gum ?