The war against electronic cigarettes
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Why not? Ooops... under the tobacco Act, new tobacco products (introduced after 2007) will need to gain approval from the FDA, but it should not be anywhere near as time-consuming and expensive as getting a new drug/device approved under FDCA. The FDA has not bothered to set up the regulatory structure for this yet. They have been too busy banning flavored tobacco cigarettes and choosing pretty pictures to put on tobacco packs.
I hope that many vapers out there were exactly like me - had no idea there was a war against them or that there was any controversy at all. I was along the lines of, "I can't wait until this catches on."
And then I saw the news report on TV about King County wanting to ban them - and found myself getting involved. Maybe some good is coming out of this after all.
And then I saw the news report on TV about King County wanting to ban them - and found myself getting involved. Maybe some good is coming out of this after all.
Vocalek, if they go the FDCA Rout, how many vendors could afford to continue? I don't like the sound of e-cigs being a drug. Am I crazy or will that path not just kill off 90+% of the businesses currently doing business, and raise the cost of e-cigs to the level nicotine chicklets @ $50 a pack?
Thanks,
Jeff~
One thing it's sure to do is create another black market, underground industry.
I've always been a strong believer in no matter what "stunt" the FDA pulls...
the ECF will provide the "Work Around" information.
Other countries have banned E-cigarettes and people there still vape.
The government made Pot illegal and we all know how effective that law is.
PS: The FDA is not going to Ban E-cigarettes
the ECF will provide the "Work Around" information.
Other countries have banned E-cigarettes and people there still vape.
The government made Pot illegal and we all know how effective that law is.
PS: The FDA is not going to Ban E-cigarettes
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We've been fighting a "Defensive" war for so long...
the concept of going on the "Offense" is not thought possible.
I suggest a discussion to get back into Campaigning E-cigarettes
focused on what we can do to go on the Offense.
We now have the numbers and a much improved public support
than at any time in the past.
The best Defense is a good Offense
the concept of going on the "Offense" is not thought possible.
I suggest a discussion to get back into Campaigning E-cigarettes
focused on what we can do to go on the Offense.
We now have the numbers and a much improved public support
than at any time in the past.
The best Defense is a good Offense
Right! V2 is on the Offense...What the FDA "could do" is known
He chose to fight by going on the Offense. KUDOS
Obviously, V2 doesn't shake in its boots every time
the FDA rattles its saber!
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Petrodus is right. We've been sitting back and waiting on the FDA for years...wondering what their next move will be. We post to the lies and misleading articles that come out. We post the truth about where the funding for the alphabet soup that's opposed to e-cigarettes come from, but it's always in response to an article that's already written doing the damage. I agree, we need to be offensive! (snicker)
Unlike all the other "commercial" E-cigarette marketers...
V2 is "Up Front" and "On the Record"
Blu and Green Smoke and most others are doing the same thing...
However, they are using the "Back-Door" approach.
They are creating and encouraging others to create small web pages
proclaiming "The Truth" filled with back-links to Blu and Green Smoke etc
Why do you think there are TONS of "What Appears on the Surface"
interesting and informative web pages about E-cigarettes but have
several back-links to Blue, Green Smoke, and others?
Tons of "mini" pages on the Net with "come-on" titles that are
nothing more than "snips" of well known information with
back-links to Blue and Green Smoke and others.
Every marketer of E-cigarettes are proclaiming E-cigarettes help
people stop smoking! They simply use other web pages, blogs,
Tweets, etc to advertise this information with "back-links" to their
Commercial websites
These "back-door" advertising campaigns are obvious to those who
have any sales and marketing experience. The FDA is aware of
what Blu and Green Smoke and the rest are doing.
Marketers can't tell the Truth (on their website) for fear of FDA retaliation...
However, there is no law stating they can't proclaim the Truth on "non-commercial"
websites using back-links to their commercial websites.
The "Business" of E-cigarettes is now driving the market
PS: You doubt other marketers have websites proclaiming the truth?
All they do is purchase other domain names and then create web pages
with links to their commercial websites. DA
V2 is "Up Front" and "On the Record"
Blu and Green Smoke and most others are doing the same thing...
However, they are using the "Back-Door" approach.
They are creating and encouraging others to create small web pages
proclaiming "The Truth" filled with back-links to Blu and Green Smoke etc
Why do you think there are TONS of "What Appears on the Surface"
interesting and informative web pages about E-cigarettes but have
several back-links to Blue, Green Smoke, and others?
Tons of "mini" pages on the Net with "come-on" titles that are
nothing more than "snips" of well known information with
back-links to Blue and Green Smoke and others.
Every marketer of E-cigarettes are proclaiming E-cigarettes help
people stop smoking! They simply use other web pages, blogs,
Tweets, etc to advertise this information with "back-links" to their
Commercial websites
These "back-door" advertising campaigns are obvious to those who
have any sales and marketing experience. The FDA is aware of
what Blu and Green Smoke and the rest are doing.
Marketers can't tell the Truth (on their website) for fear of FDA retaliation...
However, there is no law stating they can't proclaim the Truth on "non-commercial"
websites using back-links to their commercial websites.
The "Business" of E-cigarettes is now driving the market
PS: You doubt other marketers have websites proclaiming the truth?
All they do is purchase other domain names and then create web pages
with links to their commercial websites. DA
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Welcome to ECF, Demarko. We hope that you will take a look at the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) web site. The organization was born here on ECF in reponse to the American Lung Association, American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, and Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids calling on the FDA to pull e-cigarettes off the market (early 2009), the FDA's unethical and immoral propaganda that convinced millions of smokers to just keep lighting up, and their continued waste of taxpayer money fighting a losing battle through the federal court system. BTW, the proposed bans you see coming up locally were probably instigated by the four organizations named above. They have sent out "model legislation" to their local chapters. I, for one, will not give these organizations a single penny until they stop trying to kill me.
CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association
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Thanks for the welcome! I already had a few days ago, as well as signed up. This whole issue really bugs me on a fundamental level - not just because they're trying to stop me from doing something that's perfectly within my rights, but makes me ask myself - how many other rights are (technically) undermined or gone that I am not aware of?
Hang around here long enough and you might become a political activist.
The younger among us really can't see what has been lost over the last half century or so. 1984, Back to the Future.
Actually, considering the average intelligence
of most Americans...It might just work.
Americans are Dumb and Uneducated
Good article.
I don't understand what the big deal is with these people trying to ban e-cigs I mean come on smoking cigarettes is like taking poison and if they ever did find anything harmful in e-cigs would it be worse than smoking a cancer stick? I think not! Pg and vg are safe for consumption it turns into a water vapor for crying out loud!!
I feel a lot healthier since I quit smoking and started vaping. I aggree that these people who are banning or have banned e-cigs need to do their homework and research.
I don't understand what the big deal is with these people trying to ban e-cigs I mean come on smoking cigarettes is like taking poison and if they ever did find anything harmful in e-cigs would it be worse than smoking a cancer stick? I think not! Pg and vg are safe for consumption it turns into a water vapor for crying out loud!!
I feel a lot healthier since I quit smoking and started vaping. I aggree that these people who are banning or have banned e-cigs need to do their homework and research.
We don't know yet if it is safe. All the evidence so far suggests that it is safer than smoking tobacco. That isn't the same as proof.
This is a drug delivery device. You can already get almost any drug of your choice and get high or whatever and nobody would know what you are smoking.
Do you really expect the government not to be concerned?
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