Subbing this thread. I'm probably gonna put in an order to them soon for my first dip into DIY. Thanks for all the info!
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I finally pulled the trigger on my order, even though a few things I wanted were out of stock it is probably for the best financially! I ordered quite the assortment of bottles, a nice bottle of 125mL nic that will last me a long time, a nice glass funnel and stirring rod (no more using my syringes to stir!) and a few other odds and ends. I have to say the prices on bottles are just amazing! I searched and searched everywhere before caving in, now I will have 5 60mL bottles for base and 5 30mL bottles for actual mixed juice. This is my progression from plastic bottles which I lose too often and often become rather nasty smelling after being lost - The latest flavor being 'Couch'.
All I have to say is prices and shipping are outrageously low here, the quality of Nic is the absolute highest I've heard (and safest). As soon as FA flavors are in, this will be my one stop shop!
All I have to say is prices and shipping are outrageously low here, the quality of Nic is the absolute highest I've heard (and safest). As soon as FA flavors are in, this will be my one stop shop!
Heres my WL stock:
Coconut Flavor Concentrate (LA)
Double RY4 Flavor (TFA)
Juicy Fruit Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Bubble Gum
Light Brand Tobacco Flavor (SM)
Maraschino Cherry Flavor (TFA)
Pina Colada Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Ripe Banana Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Black Honey Tobacco
555 Type DK Tobacco
Dulce De Leche
Butterscotch
Ethyl Maltol Crystals
Sucralose
Any ideas for some recipes? I'm sort of stuck on Bubblegum and 555 right now. LOVE IT!
Peter
Edit: Just came back from Michaels Craft store with a 59ml bottle of Wilton Butter Flavor. $1.99, Ingredients: Water, PG, natural and artificial flavors, phosphoric acid.....
Coconut Flavor Concentrate (LA)
Double RY4 Flavor (TFA)
Juicy Fruit Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Bubble Gum
Light Brand Tobacco Flavor (SM)
Maraschino Cherry Flavor (TFA)
Pina Colada Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Ripe Banana Flavor Concentrate (TFA)
Black Honey Tobacco
555 Type DK Tobacco
Dulce De Leche
Butterscotch
Ethyl Maltol Crystals
Sucralose
Any ideas for some recipes? I'm sort of stuck on Bubblegum and 555 right now. LOVE IT!
Peter
Edit: Just came back from Michaels Craft store with a 59ml bottle of Wilton Butter Flavor. $1.99, Ingredients: Water, PG, natural and artificial flavors, phosphoric acid.....
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Any discount codes for Wiz Lab?? I cant find a thread on them so I searched it and was directed here...Thanks if anyone post a code for them.
There prices are already extremely low I've found. I too cannot seem to find any coupons. There nic base is VERY cheap, 14.95 for 120ml of 100mg. 10 dollars cheaper than anyone else I could find. I buy stuff from them weekly now it seems like. They usually send a sample of something and pipettes for mixing. Excellent packaging and cheap, fast shipping.
Peter
bottle of Wilton Butter Flavor. $1.99, Ingredients: Water, PG, natural and artificial flavors, phosphoric acid.....
Have you checked with Wilton to see if it has Diacetyl in it?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Gk47KjqoPAXRrfdaq36KA&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.eWU
"The United States National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has suggested diacetyl, when used in artificial butter flavoring (as used in many consumer foods), may be hazardous when heated and inhaled over a long period.
Workers in several factories that manufacture artificial butter flavoring have been diagnosed with bronchiolitis obliterans, a rare and serious disease of the lungs. The cases found have been mainly in young, healthy, nonsmoking males. Lung transplantation is the only known cure for bronchiolitis obliterans."
Just concerned for your health
Confirmed it does not have the Diacetyl in it. I found out after I bought it though. Its buried here in these forums somewhere. You can find it if you search for wilton or butter. I was happy to find out I can use it with impunity.
Peter
I notice that Wizard Labs has a big sale on right now. Do you know how long it's going to last? Do I have a few days to decide?
ETA: Sorry to ask here instead of the supplier's forum. But, I couldn't find a Wizard Labs forum or even a Wizard Labs thread.
ETA: Sorry to ask here instead of the supplier's forum. But, I couldn't find a Wizard Labs forum or even a Wizard Labs thread.
I'm going to place my order here soon! Been adding a bunch of stuff to my cart... but there's a few things I would like that are out of stock! Perhaps I'll wait a few days and see if they get restocked? Are TFA or LA flavors better? Think I want to make a lemon cookie/cake as my first juice.
I get almost EVERYTHING I need from WL ...
I just wish they had the Capella's I have to have (peanut butter, NY Cheesecake and Marshmallow).
Then I could go to just one place for it all!
(Note: definitely NOT complaining ... LOVE WizardLabs! They're GREAT and have the BEST prices! Just wishful thinking.)
Can anyone give suggestions on which of their coconuts, caramel, creamy/vanilla/bakery, tobacco, and cinnamon flavors are the best? Hows the mango and which apple flavor is the best? If I want to vape 12mg juice, is it more cost efficient/easier to get higher nic and cut it with VG/PG? If so, how much higher do I want to get? Like 24mg or maybe higher? Thanks.
My preferences-
Coconut candy is better than coconut extra.
French vanilla and vanillin are good flavors.
Caramel candy smells like wherthers caramel candy. I haven't tried it yet though. Or any other caramel for that matter. I was told the TFA caramel is best to mix with tobaccos.
Sweet cream smells and tastes like butter. Whip cream or NY style cheesecake would be better for a creamy note.
TFA tobacco, Captain black, RY4, and Black honey tobacco are all good tobacco flavors.
Stay away from tobacco absolute unless you like old man cigar/pipe tobacco flavor. YUCK!
I've never tired cinnamon and I'm just getting into bakery flavors so I can't comment on that part.
TFA apple and green apple both taste like jolly ranchers. They are decent if you like that green apple flavor.
I didn't like mango, it smelled peppery in a way and not sweet enough for my taste. I recommend papaya as an alternative.
Yes, it is more cost efficient to get high % nic.
Keep in mind that when you add flavors and VG/PG to nic it will reduce the overall nic content %.
If you are new to DIY it is generally recommended by the community that you do not exceed 60mg/mL. But since you vape only 12mg I recommend you don't go higher than 48mg/mL nicotine.
Nicotine is more potent mg per mg than arsenic. Nicotine overdose is not fun. I speak from experience. Respect it and you should be fine.
The savings from buying higher percentages is minimal.
I hope I helped.
Coconut candy is better than coconut extra.
French vanilla and vanillin are good flavors.
Caramel candy smells like wherthers caramel candy. I haven't tried it yet though. Or any other caramel for that matter. I was told the TFA caramel is best to mix with tobaccos.
Sweet cream smells and tastes like butter. Whip cream or NY style cheesecake would be better for a creamy note.
TFA tobacco, Captain black, RY4, and Black honey tobacco are all good tobacco flavors.
Stay away from tobacco absolute unless you like old man cigar/pipe tobacco flavor. YUCK!
I've never tired cinnamon and I'm just getting into bakery flavors so I can't comment on that part.
TFA apple and green apple both taste like jolly ranchers. They are decent if you like that green apple flavor.
I didn't like mango, it smelled peppery in a way and not sweet enough for my taste. I recommend papaya as an alternative.
Yes, it is more cost efficient to get high % nic.
Keep in mind that when you add flavors and VG/PG to nic it will reduce the overall nic content %.
If you are new to DIY it is generally recommended by the community that you do not exceed 60mg/mL. But since you vape only 12mg I recommend you don't go higher than 48mg/mL nicotine.
Nicotine is more potent mg per mg than arsenic. Nicotine overdose is not fun. I speak from experience. Respect it and you should be fine.
The savings from buying higher percentages is minimal.
I hope I helped.
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I hope I helped.
Thanks, you sure did!! I haven't placed my order yet because some minor-ish things I want are out of stock, which isn't a big deal, but for my first order I'd like to have a little bit of everything so I may wait a few days to see if some flavorings and supplies are available again.
So this is what I am thinking for getting for my first order. Tell me if I'm missing or should add anything? I'm a relatively light vaper (don't go through a ton of juice), I usually like vaping my juices at a 50/50 ratio, sometimes I'll go higher PG than VG though like 60/40, 12mg or less is usually my nic level, and I will probably want to mix the smallest batches I possibly can to get started at least until I know what each flavor tastes like.
24mg Nic solution (100 PG) - 120ml
PG - 120ml
VG - 250ml
1ml syringe x 5
3ml syringe x 2
10ml syringe x 2
14ga blunt tip needle x 1
30ml glass bottle x 2
10ml bottle x 2
3ml bottle x 5
555 Type DK Tobacco TFA
Black Honey Tobacco
Butterscotch (LA or TFA?)
Cantaloupe TFA
Caramel Original TFA
Cheesecake NY Style LA
Coconut Candy TFA
Cream Cheese Icing LA
Dragon Fruit TFA
English Toffee TFA
Ethyl Maltol Solution
Green Tea TFA
Horchata LA (anyone know if this is better than the other cinnamons?)
Irish Cream TFA
Lemon Flavor TFA
Menthol Liquid
Mary Jane TFA (is this forreal?)
Mint Candy TFA (or peppermint?)
Nectarine TFA (or peach?)
RY4 TFA (Asian or Type 1?)
Strawberry (hmm.. 3 choices)
Sweet Cream TFA
Tangerine (or orange?)
Vanilla Cupcake
Vanilla Swirl
Virginia Fire-cured SM
Ok this isn't my final order as some of the things I want are out of stock... but this is more or less my order.
I am quite curious about the Mary Jane flavor though... anyone try this and does it really resemble mary jane? I would get it just for gimmicks but honestly, why get in trouble for vaping this in public and having people think its the real thing... unless you just like the taste of it.
you need a needle for each one of those 1ml syringes, it sucks to have to clean them out in the middle of a juice. best just to have a bunch and clean between bottles...
Against general opinion, the 100mg nic is the best to go with. Much more efficiant. I started with 100mg and never had any problems, but I studied DIY alot before I dove in. I would also switch your nic to VG. The flavors are pure PG, alot of flavor and some PG NIC might go over your PG/VG Balance that your trying to reach.
I know on some of my juices if I had PG only nic, plus the flavorings the 60/40 VG/PG I prefer wouldnt be possible.
I wouldn't bother with the 10ml syringe. Throw in a couple more 5ml and 10ml bottles. (you'll need a larger bore needle for VG)
I would still kick in a few more flavors.... might as well get it over 65$ and get that free shipping!
Against general opinion, the 100mg nic is the best to go with. Much more efficiant. I started with 100mg and never had any problems, but I studied DIY alot before I dove in. I would also switch your nic to VG. The flavors are pure PG, alot of flavor and some PG NIC might go over your PG/VG Balance that your trying to reach.
I know on some of my juices if I had PG only nic, plus the flavorings the 60/40 VG/PG I prefer wouldnt be possible.
I wouldn't bother with the 10ml syringe. Throw in a couple more 5ml and 10ml bottles. (you'll need a larger bore needle for VG)
I would still kick in a few more flavors.... might as well get it over 65$ and get that free shipping!
More efficient yes, but over 4x more potent than the 24mg/mL and thus over 4x more dangerous.
Other than getting higher nic I agree with pretty much everything nnote said with a few variations-
Take out the 3mL and 5mL bottles and substitute them for more 10mL bottles and then get more 10mls on top of that.
They are just about the same price and just because they are 10mL doesn't mean you have to fill them when you mix. you can use them for 3mL test batches but you can't fit 10mL into a 3mL bottle. Get what I'm saying?
Also you should get some 60mL browns to store your nic and more 30mL cobalts for your big batches.
Don't take out both 10mL syringes, it will be a pain in the ... to make a big bottle if you don't have one.
I ended up breaking one of my 14g needle tips but luckily I had a spare. Also, I only use one tip. I rinse it 1-2 times by sucking up water out of my beaker realy quick in between bases. I don't think its that big of a deal.
I've heard the mary-jane flavor tastes like wet socks. I've never tried it though. I am sure you can find some skunk extract or whatever from a real skunk if you really want to get that natural flavor hah.
Other than getting higher nic I agree with pretty much everything nnote said with a few variations-
Take out the 3mL and 5mL bottles and substitute them for more 10mL bottles and then get more 10mls on top of that.
They are just about the same price and just because they are 10mL doesn't mean you have to fill them when you mix. you can use them for 3mL test batches but you can't fit 10mL into a 3mL bottle. Get what I'm saying?
Also you should get some 60mL browns to store your nic and more 30mL cobalts for your big batches.
Don't take out both 10mL syringes, it will be a pain in the ... to make a big bottle if you don't have one.
I ended up breaking one of my 14g needle tips but luckily I had a spare. Also, I only use one tip. I rinse it 1-2 times by sucking up water out of my beaker realy quick in between bases. I don't think its that big of a deal.
I've heard the mary-jane flavor tastes like wet socks. I've never tried it though. I am sure you can find some skunk extract or whatever from a real skunk if you really want to get that natural flavor hah.
Just got in my order from WI
Are those glass cobalt jars the Nic came in? I didn't want to open that nicely bubbled and heat sealed package yet as I have some nic to use up first. So just tossed in in the freezer as is.
But are those glass cobalt jars? or plastic? They sure look like it may be glass...
Thanks so much!
Are those glass cobalt jars the Nic came in? I didn't want to open that nicely bubbled and heat sealed package yet as I have some nic to use up first. So just tossed in in the freezer as is.
But are those glass cobalt jars? or plastic? They sure look like it may be glass...
Thanks so much!
They are plastic. You would know if they were the blue cobalt. The blue cobalt bottles look really cool.
Besides that you don't want to use the blues for storing nic, you want the browns. The blues have a dropper top.
Besides that you don't want to use the blues for storing nic, you want the browns. The blues have a dropper top.
Hmm, doesn't look like it would have a dropper...they're wide mouth jars...
May have to open them after all LOL!
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Cobalt blue plastic it is!
Very well packed, heat sealed in bubble and 3 heat sealed 4ml plastic bags. Sealed at the cap as well so didn't open that one. Just wrapped it back up and put in in the freezer for a bit till I'm ready for it.
Just placed another order for a few more things...he's OS on alot ATM
May have to open them after all LOL!
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Cobalt blue plastic it is!
Very well packed, heat sealed in bubble and 3 heat sealed 4ml plastic bags. Sealed at the cap as well so didn't open that one. Just wrapped it back up and put in in the freezer for a bit till I'm ready for it.
Just placed another order for a few more things...he's OS on alot ATM
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