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Right now I am vaping INW Gold Ducat. Heard a lot of good about this tobacco blend but it was always out of stock. Finally got my hands on a bottle. A good pipe tobacco with a marvellous after taste of honey. The majority of the INW flavors I have used is tobacco flavors and they are one of my favorites.

I was wondering, what percentage did you use for the Gold Ducat?

I finally tried out my cherry pipe tobacco flavor, and it's not bad at all, though maybe just a touch too sweet; next iteration will definitely have less sweetener, and maybe less Vanilla Swirl too, but the TFA Cherry Extract is excellent. The TH is also outstanding, terrific tingle, great for post-mealtime, but of course, it's a tobacco, so a long steep seems completely necessary -- at 1 wk, it showed potential, but wasn't that great. Now, at more than a month steeping, it's very good -- but a touch too sweet, as I said.

This is the recipe I used:

INW Vanilla for Pipe 6%
INW Deluxe TDM 5%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4%
TFA Cherry Extract 4%
TFA Sweetener 2%

I was thinking I might just use the Gold Ducat in place of both the Vanilla Pipe and Deluxe TDM, say 10%, and use only about .5% sweetener, and bring the Vanilla Swirl from 4% to 2%. Or would 10% of the Gold Ducat be too much? I know some tobacco flavors go completely sideways if you use too much.

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I was wondering, what percentage did you use for the Gold Ducat?

I finally tried out my cherry pipe tobacco flavor, and it's not bad at all, though maybe just a touch too sweet; next iteration will definitely have less sweetener, and maybe less Vanilla Swirl too, but the TFA Cherry Extract is excellent. The TH is also outstanding, terrific tingle, great for post-mealtime, but of course, it's a tobacco, so a long steep seems completely necessary -- at 1 wk, it showed potential, but wasn't that great. Now, at more than a month steeping, it's very good -- but a touch too sweet, as I said.

This is the recipe I used:

INW Vanilla for Pipe 6%
INW Deluxe TDM 5%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4%
TFA Cherry Extract 4%
TFA Sweetener 2%

I was thinking I might just use the Gold Ducat in place of both the Vanilla Pipe and Deluxe TDM, say 10%, and use only about .5% sweetener, and bring the Vanilla Swirl from 4% to 2%. Or would 10% of the Gold Ducat be too much? I know some tobacco flavors go completely sideways if you use too much.

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@chopdoc said he had to work tonight... guess he's busy.

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Yep, its been a busy night. Guess they wanted to make sure I earned that 8 hours holiday pay!

For all my mixing, especially tobacco mixes I like to start out with single flavors at %5 and then give them a good 8 to 10 hours in the ultrasonic cleaner to help blend the mixture. INW Vanilla pipe is excellent as a stand alone at %5 and even better with just a hint (%1) of extra vanilla and a week heat steep (dark bag in the car) after the UC bath.
The thing is, tobacco's are a hard flavor to mix and you will want a solid idea of what flavor the base is before doctoring it up. Thats why I vape it as a single flavor before experimenting further.
 

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Yep, its been a busy night. Guess they wanted to make sure I earned that 8 hours holiday pay!

For all my mixing, especially tobacco mixes I like to start out with single flavors at %5 and then give them a good 8 to 10 hours in the ultrasonic cleaner to help blend the mixture. INW Vanilla pipe is excellent as a stand alone at %5 and even better with just a hint (%1) of extra vanilla and a week heat steep (dark bag in the car) after the UC bath.
The thing is, tobacco's are a hard flavor to mix and you will want a solid idea of what flavor the base is before doctoring it up. Thats why I vape it as a single flavor before experimenting further.

Hmm ok. I don't have any fancy gizmos for steeping or mixing; I shake the living hell out of it till it's basically froth, put it down, let it settle, and do that 3-4 more times (remember, I use 86% PG, so it's not thick at all). Then I put the little bottle (I never do more than 5ml for new flavors I'm trying) inside a salvaged magarine bowl and put the lid on, to keep it in shadow if not absolute darkness; give it a weekly shake if I remember it, but basically just forget it for a month/6 weeks -- this is for tobacco flavors of course; with anything non-tobacco, if it's not vapable within about 12 hrs, I ain't interested!

The Gold Ducat smells a lot smokier to me, than either the Vanilla Pipe or Deluxe TDM, but also fairly sweet. To me, the Vanilla Pipe smells like PlayDoh, so I don't think I'd care for it stand-alone, but mixed with that Deluxe TDM it's pretty good. Problem with the TDM is that part of the flavor is cocoa, which I can't taste in a vape to save my life, so it's wasted on me.

Have you tried the Dirty Neutral Base? I got some of that, thought it might appeal to me more than the Virginia tobacco absolute; when I lost my taste for Virginia tobacco, I REALLY lost it. To me, now, it just tastes/smells sorta sour-ish, sour in the way of laundry that got left in the washing machine and forgot to put it in the dryer.

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Hmm ok. I don't have any fancy gizmos for steeping or mixing; I shake the living hell out of it till it's basically froth, put it down, let it settle, and do that 3-4 more times (remember, I use 86% PG, so it's not thick at all). Then I put the little bottle (I never do more than 5ml for new flavors I'm trying) inside a salvaged magarine bowl and put the lid on, to keep it in shadow if not absolute darkness; give it a weekly shake if I remember it, but basically just forget it for a month/6 weeks -- this is for tobacco flavors of course; with anything non-tobacco, if it's not vapable within about 12 hrs, I ain't interested!

The Gold Ducat smells a lot smokier to me, than either the Vanilla Pipe or Deluxe TDM, but also fairly sweet. To me, the Vanilla Pipe smells like PlayDoh, so I don't think I'd care for it stand-alone, but mixed with that Deluxe TDM it's pretty good. Problem with the TDM is that part of the flavor is cocoa, which I can't taste in a vape to save my life, so it's wasted on me.

Have you tried the Dirty Neutral Base? I got some of that, thought it might appeal to me more than the Virginia tobacco absolute; when I lost my taste for Virginia tobacco, I REALLY lost it. To me, now, it just tastes/smells sorta sour-ish, sour in the way of laundry that got left in the washing machine and forgot to put it in the dryer.

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Thats the funny thing about tobacco blends. They dont always vape like they smell. Take a 10ml sample of your Vanilla for Pipe, mix it up and put it in a bag and place it in your car or trunk for a week. Not in the sun, somewhere like under the seat. You want it to get that 140 degree september cooking temp the inside of cars will get. Every couple days you can shake it, or not. Depends on you. Then in a week or so, vape it. Give it a try and it will give you a very good idea how it will be after a long steep plus you will know the flavor of it by itself and build a recipe from there.
I dont get a smokeyness from Gold Ducat. Its a nice honey tobacco flavor. Kinda like a Virginia (not flue cured, thats grassy) or a Burley tobacco with honey. The honey is kinda there and its a good blend but for me, its one tank in a while type of vape. Like an after dinner vape with a cup of hot coffee.
DNB like a Tobacco Absolute is situational. DNB brings ashyness to the mix to make it more cig-a-like. I use it seldom for a lot of my tobacco blends I am not looking for the cigarette taste but the taste of the tobacco itself. It works well with a Congress or Parliment concentrate to bring it close to the flavor of a lit cigarette. A little goes a loooong way with DNB.
Tobacco Absolutes are also situational. If you have a bold tobacco flavor like a Virginia, the Virginia TA is what you want to use. A gressy tobacco flavor like Highway you would use Garuda TA. A pipe type would use Rustica. TA are for enhancing a tobacco blend, not to change or dominate it and are to be used sparingly. There is also INW Dark Tobacco the will enbolden a tobacco flavor but that also needs to be used sparingly. One to two drop per 10 ml is about the norm.

Two things I can suggest for tobacco blends/mixing. Spend some time on Danny45 tobacco thread and you will learn a lot just reading thru it all, and get a handle on the flavors before mixing complex mixtures and you will then be able to make some real good tobacco mixes.
The biggest thing with doing tobacco mixes is the steep. They take a long steep to come into their true flavor which is why an Ultrasonic Cleaner that will do hour run times is very handy, but even with that they still need to sit. One like this is similar to mine and is cheap and works great.
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Hope this helps Andria
 

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On a parallel wrap like that one you do have to burn/oxidize the coil as with any full contact coil right?

I would think ANY Kanthal build in general should be dry burned before vaping.. Kanthal develops its own layer of alumina when its heated which helps insulate it, helps it heat consistently and keeps it from frying. Contact coil or spaced, this is the way Kanthal is so I would think you would want to do it with any coil.
 

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I would think ANY Kanthal build in general should be dry burned before vaping.. Kanthal develops its own layer of alumina when its heated which helps insulate it, helps it heat consistently and keeps it from frying. Contact coil or spaced, this is the way Kanthal is so I would think you would want to do it with any coil.
I make non compressed coils. I anneal them with a bic lighter before wrapping. Never burn them in before wicking. They work out spaced about one wire width apart.
 

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