They're afraid of us

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player30

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Fortunately for me ive recently discovered that im MORE happy at 6mg Nic than i was at 24. I think i would be fine going nic free. But that would ruin the industry for new customers and that is not good.

There are so many smokers that want to become non-smokers, I think the e-cig industry will only increase in business for the fore-seeable future. IMO, it a smoker turned vaper decreases to 0mg or quits vaping also, that is great.
 

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No one is afraid of us. The truth is simply that social acceptance of recreational nicotine use has been on the decline for decades in America, and as nicotine users we are looked down upon.

This shouldn't be news to anyone, and it's not necessarily good or bad, it's human nature. Each culture dictates what drugs are socially acceptable to use, and in what context it is acceptable to use them. In America, caffeine is fine in flavored liquid form all the time. It's looked down upon slightly in pill, unflavored liquid, or edible forms, but as long as you don't make a big deal out of it it's fine. Alcohol is fine if you're in a group who is also drinking it, or if you are having two or fewer servings with a meal. It's looked down upon in pretty much any other setting. Other drugs are so socially unacceptable their names are censored here.

Nicotine was acceptable in smoked tobacco form for a long time, now it's become much less so. Cultures change. I do think there is the possibility of less dangerous nicotine use becoming socially acceptable thanks to the e-cig, but I'm not sure that's even what most of us here want (socially acceptable will mean more people will do it, not to stop smoking, but because it's awesome. Which it is.) Currently society is trying to stamp out recreational nicotine use period, which again isn't good or bad, it's just what it is, so if e-cigs are going to survive the case needs to be made that they are a less dangerous alternative to smoking -- it's not about discrimination or equal rights or whatever (those arguments will lose), it's about harm reduction.
 
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If you don't think BT, BP & even anti smokers are afraid of the vaping movement, well I hate to burst your bubble. If they were not we vapers would left alone to enjoy our hobby. Instead you often see many of including myself reaching out, asking others to get active, write letters, be a CASAA member and so on. The vaping issues are much more politically/money fueled then philosophical in my opinion. Its all about money at least that seems to be the biggest factor as to why some are trying to end vaping. Afraid of loosing those death taxes and in BP's case death profit. Every commercial I see for some pill seems to be accustomed by 10 side effects for the 1 cure that is advertised.

The anti-smoking bunch, I'm not sure what to say about them. They seem to be miles up on their high-horse with ears plugged like children. I'm sure there are exceptions but I have yet to run into one.
 

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......My point is just that American society currently frowns on nicotine as a recreational/habitual drug.

I agree, and that's what is the most frighting.

American society currently frowns on guns.....I played cowboys and indians with cap guns, daisy air rifle as a kid, now nerf guns are frowned upon.

American society currently frowns on skateboards.....I build and used a "skateboard" made out of a 2x4 & old rollerskate as a kid, no helmet, pads etc....

The "we're just helping you for your own gooders" have taken over the asylum.
 

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Ever heard of apathetic. That is what the American people have become, even some of us that vape. In the beginning, most of us are all fired up, but them a lot of us take a step over to the sideline and expect others to carry on the fight.

Very true and there are an equal amount of new/mid-level members that do the same thing. By doing nothing and hoping that everything will be ok.
 
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