Thousands of Black Birds Fell From The Sky

[LisaLisa]

Found this post online, what do you guys think?


"Fish and bird die-offs, now cattle die-offs in Vietnam! God made creatures in that order and is now taking them out in that order. Guess what is next to die?? Bird, Fish, Cattle.....Humans. We are next major event about to occur within next few months or sooner. This is the year it all begins

Israel became a nation in one day in 1948. Matthew Chapter 24-25 speak of the parable of the fig tree referring to Israel. The generation that see's Israel become a nation in one day that Generation shall not pass until all things have been complete.

Therefore 1948 plus 70 years (generation) = 2018

2018 minus 7 years for tribulation period and you end up with 2011 as the start of woes.

I have been saying this for probably 10 years now and we are finally here.

2011 will be unlike any time you have seen before in history."

 

[Jason_in_nc]

Lisa, when you go into the Outside and claim as if it is fact that the mass bird and fish deaths are because of sins, and then quote bible verses (which may or may not be applicable to the current situation) as "support"... are you not making the same mistake as Job's friends, claiming to know the mind and judgement of God?

 

[LisaLisa]

Lisa, when you go into the Outside and claim as if it is fact that the mass bird and fish deaths are because of sins, and then quote bible verses (which may or may not be applicable to the current situation) as "support"... are you not making the same mistake as Job's friends, claiming to know the mind and judgement of God?

Why should a christian, be afraid to look at current events, and search out the bible for greater understanding of what is happening in the world?

Seriously.....is everything off limits now because it might not be politically correct? Nothing happens in this world without God knowing about it. If He did not want the birds and fish to die, they wouldn't have died.

Everything that happens in this world is under His control, nothing happens just because, everything is part of a much larger plan.

Believers should know this, but even more so, unbelievers should be told as the days draw to a close, our voices should get even louder as we are watchmen on the wall.

If you're not being a watchman on the wall, then maybe that's something that you should think about as that is our job.

 

[JohnKing]

Why should a christian, be afraid to look at current events, and search out the bible for greater understanding of what is happening in the world?

Seriously.....is everything off limits now because it might not be politically correct? Nothing happens in this world without God knowing about it. If He did not want the birds and fish to die, they wouldn't have died.

Everything that happens in this world is under His control, nothing happens just because, everything is part of a much larger plan.

Believers should know this, but even more so, unbelievers should be told as the days draw to a close, our voices should get even louder as we are watchmen on the wall.

If you're not being a watchman on the wall, then maybe that's something that you should think about as that is our job.

You go girl!

I want to hear what God has to say. He has more credibility than the talking heads.

and BTW, no one here on earth can give any explanation for these mass die offs either, so why discount the Word of God?

 

[LisaLisa]

you go girl!

I want to hear what god has to say. He has more credibility than the talking heads.

And btw, no one here on earth can give any explanation for these mass die offs either, so why discount the word of god?

amen !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jason_in_nc]

Why should a christian, be afraid to look at current events, and search out the bible for greater understanding of what is happening in the world?

Seriously.....is everything off limits now because it might not be politically correct? Nothing happens in this world without God knowing about it. If He did not want the birds and fish to die, they wouldn't have died.

Everything that happens in this world is under His control, nothing happens just because, everything is part of a much larger plan.

Believers should know this, but even more so, unbelievers should be told as the days draw to a close, our voices should get even louder as we are watchmen on the wall.

If you're not being a watchman on the wall, then maybe that's something that you should think about as that is our job.

No. You do NOT know with any certainty WHY the birds and fish have died lately. It is one thing to speculate, it is another to claim something as a certain fact. You provided the "real reason" for the die offs.

Luke 13
1There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Does EVERYTHING die as a result of sin? Sure. Does God use nature to accomplish his will? Absolutely. Does God use nature to inflict judgement? Absolutely.

Does an event in nature mean that God is judging or sending a message? Not necessarily. Does a bad thing happening to a person or people mean that God is judging them for something or sending some sort of message? Not necessarily.

Do you have reason to suspect and/or speculate...sure. But can you claim conclusively that x=y in this case? No you cannot.

 

[LisaLisa]

No. You do NOT know with any certainty WHY the birds and fish have died lately. It is one thing to speculate, it is another to claim something as a certain fact. You provided the "real reason" for the die offs.



Does EVERYTHING die as a result of sin? Sure. Does God use nature to accomplish his will? Absolutely. Does God use nature to inflict judgement? Absolutely.

Does an event in nature mean that God is judging or sending a message? Not necessarily. Does a bad thing happening to a person or people mean that God is judging them for something or sending some sort of message? Not necessarily.

Do you have reason to suspect and/or speculate...sure. But can you claim conclusively that x=y in this case? No you cannot.

A faithful watchman should watch what is happening in the world, and then search through the scriptures looking for an explanation. God's word is better then any news paper there is, the truth is in His word, His prophecy, His promise.

He promised that He was going to judge this world, and that He gave us the signs to watch for, the bible is full of these signs and the fish and the birds is one of them. I posted the scripture references.

You can choose to rail against it, and ignore it, that's your choice. But to say that I should not post these scriptures, and state that this is God's warnings as written in the bible, is going against what the bible says.

That is also your choice, but I will never agree with it, and don't expect me too. I don't care if it's politically correct or not. I don't care if some scientist says that the birds died from a case of indigestion, the truth is written in the bible, and the truth of what is coming is also written in the bible.

I will loudly declare it from the rooftops and tell all who will listen as this is what I"m commanded to do. Yell it loud, bold, courageous and without fear of man. Fear not those who can kill the body, but fear the one who can kill the body and soul.

One thing that Jesus will not say to me is that I didn't watch and proclaim boldly His coming judgment against the world to all who will listen. That's the only one that I am to please.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

One, I'm not "railing". I'm complaining. And I'm doing it here instead of in the outside thread because it's an issue amongst family.

I'm not complaining that you are sharing scripture. I'm not complaining because I think it's not politically correct.

I am complaining that you are stating that you for a fact know the mind of God in this instance and you do not.

It's the difference between my pastor saying "I think, I don't know for a fact, but I believe that 9/11 has happened as a result of God removing his protection from America because we have strayed. Similarly to what happened to the chosen people when taken into captivity."
And Jerry Falwell claiming that 9/11 was judgement because of America's stance on homosexuality. See, one is claiming that 9/11 COULD have been judgement from God, the other was asserting that it ABSOLUTELY WAS, and then provided a direct cause for it.

 

[LisaLisa]

One, I'm not "railing". I'm complaining. And I'm doing it here instead of in the outside thread because it's an issue amongst family.

I'm not complaining that you are sharing scripture. I'm not complaining because I think it's not politically correct.

I am complaining that you are stating that you for a fact know the mind of God in this instance and you do not.

It's the difference between my pastor saying "I think, I don't know for a fact, but I believe that 9/11 has happened as a result of God removing his protection from America because we have strayed. Similarly to what happened to the chosen people when taken into captivity."
And Jerry Falwell claiming that 9/11 was judgement because of America's stance on homosexuality. See, one is claiming that 9/11 COULD have been judgement from God, the other was asserting that it ABSOLUTELY WAS, and then provided a direct cause for it.

Well, I believe in the Bible, and I"m going to believe what it's telling me.

 

[blondeambition3]

Here is the answer for the die offs.

"There is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgment of God in the land. There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. Because of this the land mourns, and all who live in it waste away; the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the fish of the sea are dying. [Hosea 4:1-3]

The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. [Ezekiel 38:20]

"I will sweep away both men and animals; I will sweep away the birds of the air and the fish of the sea. The wicked will have only heaps of rubble when I cut off man from the face of the earth," declares the LORD. [Zephaniah 1:3]

This pretty much sums it all up Lisa.... ...... excellent scriptural references

 

[LisaLisa]

Jason, I"m not going to get into all of those scriptures, but I will take one and elaborate on it in an attempt to settle this matter between you and I.


Zephaniah 1


1:1 This is the prophetic message that the Lord gave to 1 Zephaniah son of Cushi, son of Gedaliah, son of Amariah, son of Hezekiah. Zephaniah delivered this message during the reign of 2 King Josiah son of Amon of Judah:

The Lord’s Day of Judgment is Approaching
1:2 “I will destroy 3 everything from the face of the earth,” says the Lord.

1:3 “I will destroy people and animals;

I will destroy the birds in the sky

and the fish in the sea.

(The idolatrous images of these creatures will be destroyed along with evil people.) 4

I will remove 5 humanity from the face of the earth,” says the Lord.

1:4 “I will attack 6 Judah

and all who live in Jerusalem. 7

I will remove 8 from this place every trace of Baal worship, 9

as well as the very memory 10 of the pagan priests. 11

1:5 I will remove 12 those who worship the stars in the sky from their rooftops, 13

those who swear allegiance to the Lord 14 while taking oaths in the name of 15 their ‘king,’ 16

1:6 and those who turn their backs on 17 the Lord

and do not want the Lord’s help or guidance.” 18

1:7 Be silent before the Lord God, 19

for the Lord’s day of judgment 20 is almost here. 21

The Lord has prepared a sacrificial meal; 22

he has ritually purified 23 his guests.

1:8 “On the day of the Lord’s sacrificial meal,

I will punish the princes 24 and the king’s sons,

and all who wear foreign styles of clothing. 25

1:9 On that day I will punish all who leap over the threshold, 26

who fill the house of their master 27 with wealth taken by violence and deceit. 28

1:10 On that day,” says the Lord,

“a loud cry will go up 29 from the Fish Gate, 30

wailing from the city’s newer district, 31

and a loud crash 32 from the hills.

1:11 Wail, you who live in the market district, 33

for all the merchants 34 will disappear 35

and those who count money 36 will be removed. 37

1:12 At that time I will search through Jerusalem with lamps.

I will punish the people who are entrenched in their sin, 38

those who think to themselves, 39

‘The Lord neither rewards nor punishes.’ 40

1:13 Their wealth will be stolen

and their houses ruined!

They will not live in the houses they have built,

nor will they drink the wine from the vineyards they have planted.

1:14 The Lord’s great day of judgment 41 is almost here;

it is approaching very rapidly!

There will be a bitter sound on the Lord’s day of judgment;

at that time warriors will cry out in battle. 42

1:15 That day will be a day of God’s anger, 43

a day of distress and hardship,

a day of devastation and ruin,

a day of darkness and gloom,

a day of clouds and dark skies,

1:16 a day of trumpet blasts 44 and battle cries. 45

Judgment will fall on 46 the fortified cities and the high corner towers.

1:17 I will bring distress on the people 47

and they will stumble 48 like blind men,

for they have sinned against the Lord.

Their blood will be poured out like dirt;

their flesh 49 will be scattered 50 like manure.

1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them

in the day of the Lord’s angry judgment.

The whole earth 51 will be consumed by his fiery wrath. 52

Indeed, 53 he will bring terrifying destruction 54 on all who live on the earth.” 55

Now here is a study on that very chapter. Read it here Zephaniah Speaks Again, Part 1 | GraceThruFaith

The prophecy of the judgment of the entire world is the time we are living in now.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

I responded in the other thread.

Also, you mention in the other thread,

But, why am I arguing prophesy with someone that doesn't even believe in the bible? I don't understand that.

Why did you post your thoughts if you weren't expecting, willing or open to discuss them? Isn't that the point? To enlighten people who do not believe?

 

[Saintscruiser]

Sin causes destruction. Adam and Even got kicked out of their Garden condo because of it. There is always a price to pay. Always. Cause and effect. That's why it was necessary for Jesus to die for us and take the penalty on Himself. Thank You, Lord.

I too feel that the mass killings of birds and fish are a warning from God. This is 'pre' pre-tribulation stuff.......the stuff that is going to happen first. This is 'stage setting' for a one world government. Do I think it's intentional? Yes I do. That is my opinion. Would I post it in the Outside? Yes I would. Do I feel led to do so? No I don't. But, Lisa does, and I support her decision on doing that. Jason, how can you know for sure what God is leading Lisa to do? It is not up to me to know. Are you trying to save Lisa from embarrassment or is she embarrassing you? All you have to do is quote Shultz from Hogan's Heros: "I know from nothing!"

 

[LisaLisa]

I responded in the other thread.

Also, you mention in the other thread,

Why did you post your thoughts if you weren't expecting, willing or open to discuss them? Isn't that the point? To enlighten people who do not believe?

Yes, to enlighten people who do not believe. But, I thought you were a believer?

 

[LisaLisa]

Jason, how can you know for sure what God is leading Lisa to do?

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jason_in_nc]

I am a believer. How can you all not be sure of what God might be leading ME to do?

From the other thread:

But that's just it Lisa... Wars and rumors of wars is also an end times sign. When have we not had that?

It's a culmination of all the signs together... a buildup. Could the animal die offs be part of it? Yes they could. Do we know for sure? No. 1st Century Christians thought Christ would soon return as well, did they not? They had many, MANY signs in 70AD and thought that surely the end was near... but it was not.

During the World Wars, people thought that surely the end was near. The "world" was engulfed in war... armageddon could not be far behind... but it was.

Again, all I'm saying is we need to be careful about what we "know" or think we know when it comes to scripture. Sometimes it's easy. Like when we see the world marching towards a one-world-government... we know that's an end times event and that we're clearly moving in that direction so that it will eventually happen. But I don't think we can be as sure about a few animal deaths.

IF the animal deaths slow down... then people will say that we were wrong, or worse yet, that the Bible is wrong. I don't think either of us want that. BUT, if they continue or even increase... then it might get the attention of more people. THEN we could be more certain in the claim. But until we have a little more evidence, I think any such claim of certainty is premature.

Get my point Lisa? Harold Camping is mocked because he has been "Certain" about the date Christ is to return and he has been "certainly" wrong. Therefore he is mocked. He "based" his claim on "scripture" but he was wrong, so now people believe scripture is wrong.

We MUST be careful when attributing God's motive to a particular event.

 

[Saintscruiser]

I am a believer. How can you all not be sure of what God might be leading ME to do?

From the other thread:


Get my point Lisa? Harold Camping is mocked because he has been "Certain" about the date Christ is to return and he has been "certainly" wrong. Therefore he is mocked. He "based" his claim on "scripture" but he was wrong, so now people believe scripture is wrong.

We MUST be careful when attributing God's motive to a particular event.

You are absolutely correct, Jason......I don't know that God isn't leading you to do this and I apologize for insinuating different. Forgive me, please.

You have both made your points, and you can agree to disagree. My grandmother, we called her Maw Maw, had an expression and of course I'll clean it up. She said, "The more you stir poo, the worse it smells." Jason, I'm not sure who is correct or not. It sound like to me that you are trying to protect Lady L and I think that is nice. The Outside is rough. Been there, done that!

True story: A country preacher got to his church and no one showed up. So he was getting ready to leave and God told him to do the entire service. The man felt really funny about it, but he did it anyway. So nothing happened during and after the sermon, so he went home. The next week, he went to his church and in walks a stranger....male....kinda scruffy. He had tears in his eyes, and he walked up to the preacher. He said, "I just wanted to thank you in person for preaching that sermon last Sunday.....even with no one there. You touched my life and I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. I was sitting under that window," he pointed, "and I need to get baptized." The preacher was dumb founded!! He knew God had a reason for him to preach to an empty church, but at the time, the reasoning flew out the window.....he had no clue.

Lady L is learning how to share the gospel of Jesus to people who wish to disrupt, ad nausem. Lisa, you have more energy that I do. I wish you well. Know that they are making fun of you behind your back. Sorry, Sis.

 

[LisaLisa]

You are absolutely correct, Jason......I don't know that God isn't leading you to do this and I apologize for insinuating different. Forgive me, please.

You have both made your points, and you can agree to disagree. My grandmother, we called her Maw Maw, had an expression and of course I'll clean it up. She said, "The more you stir poo, the worse it smells." Jason, I'm not sure who is correct or not. It sound like to me that you are trying to protect Lady L and I think that is nice. The Outside is rough. Been there, done that!

True story: A country preacher got to his church and no one showed up. So he was getting ready to leave and God told him to do the entire service. The man felt really funny about it, but he did it anyway. So nothing happened during and after the sermon, so he went home. The next week, he went to his church and in walks a stranger....male....kinda scruffy. He had tears in his eyes, and he walked up to the preacher. He said, "I just wanted to thank you in person for preaching that sermon last Sunday.....even with no one there. You touched my life and I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. I was sitting under that window," he pointed, "and I need to get baptized." The preacher was dumb founded!! He knew God had a reason for him to preach to an empty church, but at the time, the reasoning flew out the window.....he had no clue.

Lady L is learning how to share the gospel of Jesus to people who wish to disrupt, ad nausem. Lisa, you have more energy that I do. I wish you well. Know that they are making fun of you behind your back. Sorry, Sis.

Oh, they have been mocking me for a year now, doesn't matter one bit. I'm used to it, and blessed by it. If even just one person listens........thinks about it.....maybe not now but maybe when things get worse they will remember and repent. Even just one....it was all worth it.

This site is actually tame compared to some of the others where they curse and say the most foul things you can possibly imagine, people clearly under the influence of demons. Jesus said it would be so.

 

[blondeambition3]

I admire both of you so much (Lisa & Jason)..... for your courage & bravery.

 

[Saintscruiser]

I don't deal with rejection very well. I could never be a salesperson....."WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUY THIS AFTER I SPENT AN HOUR TRYING TO SELL IT TO YOU! GO HOME, YOU JACK-WAGON!" (Yep, another Geico commercial.)

Like Cuz, I do admire both of you. Good point, Lady E. One of the hardest things to do is to try to not get emotional about witnessing....by that I mean starting to get riled, not weepy. I can't tell you how many times I have muffed things. Then I have to face God and that person and apologize to both. Then I have to face God and ask for Him to send another person to witness to the one I just muffed up on. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. There is none righteous, no, not one." <------that's me. I'm a work in progress.

Got my movies yesterday and I watched 'The Moment After Part 2." It was very good! I started watching '6: The Mark Unleashed' and went right to sleep. It was riveting! HA! I was pooped, apparently. Lady E, have you watched your Left Behind movies yet? Shalom!