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Well actually the title of this thread is "Titanium wires and Titanium ready wires". If you want to make this all about ESG wires and put guidelines on what we're allowed to talk about then go ahead we can take our discussion elsewhere.

Arguments can bring about trolling and lots of angry accusations but it can also lead into healthy discussions; I think we're all a bit wiser having gone through this thread. And if you ever get some crowdfunding project for lab tests I'm sure most of us participating in this discussion would be happy to contribute.

It would also be nice to learn when and what gauge of spooled Ti wires ESG will be getting, what grade it is and its purity. Otherwise we can start looking elsewhere. Until then I'm back to Kanthal.

soulseek i cant understand you my friend,
i think you are a little bit to agresive calm down :)
I think i was very clear in my post, dont talk about stuff we are not 100 % sure with results and proof!
The Titanium spools will be 10 m.
As for the titanium grade you will see the analysis very soon.
The gauge will be following :

0,18 mm - 33 G
0.20 mm - 32 G
0.25 mm - 30 G
0.32 mm - 28 G
0.40 mm - 26 G



Of course you can look elsewhere for what ever you want, if you like the kanthal wire then stay on kanthal, i dont force you to buy my wires or any wires.
It is your decission and i dont understand why you talk like that.
 

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I wasn't testing with a meter. I was testing with provari's ohm tester, which throws in a low current but that produces vapor so apparently enough to make it rise from 1.5 to 2.5 in the reading. Don't forget i was testing with a thin wire 0.18mm, it behaves differently than what you tested since it heats up really fast. So I know I didn't have a short but what i had is the jumping of Ti due to increase in heat. It even happened when the wire was all extended and no possibility of short.

Anyway i tried the Ti with 0.5 ohms yesterday. I will compile a post about it.

aal if you use an ohm meter you will see it is exact resistance, the 1.5 ohm is 1.5 ohm e.t.c.
but when you use the coil the resistancce change about 0.2-0.3 ohm
With VV it is a little bit different but with VW you see this 0.2-0.3 resistance change.
 

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I see seek. Thanks for your input. :)
Convenient because you can use the NR for the poles and use the R part only around the wick. And of course they heat up much much faster than Kanthalas Capatin showed us.

I had a problem with a couple breaking at the junction while trying to make the coil, maybe a thicker Ti wire would help.
 
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soulseek i cant understand you my friend,
i think you are a little bit to agresive calm down :)
I think i was very clear in my post, dont talk about stuff we are not 100 % sure with results and proof!
The Titanium spools will be 10 m.
As for the titanium grade you will see the analysis very soon.
The gauge will be following :

0,18 mm - 33 G
0.20 mm - 32 G
0.25 mm - 30 G
0.32 mm - 28 G
0.40 mm - 26 G



Of course you can look elsewhere for what ever you want, if you like the kanthal wire then stay on kanthal, i dont force you to buy my wires or any wires.
It is your decission and i dont understand why you talk like that.

Awesome thanks for the info in the ti wires, can't wait. And I don't plan on buying elsewhere since I trust you guys more.

As for the first thing you said. I've supported you guys in this thread because I agree with most things BUT I do not like being told what I can and cannot talk about. If you want us talking about specific things mention it the first post as a guideline.
 

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Yes I understand Vassili, and by the way I don't see it as a bad thing, the change in resistance might lead me to use previously super low ohms but reach regular ohms mid vape, and have a new experience. I will test it more when i get the spools.

aal if you use an ohm meter you will see it is exact resistance, the 1.5 ohm is 1.5 ohm e.t.c.
but when you use the coil the resistancce change about 0.2-0.3 ohm
With VV it is a little bit different but with VW you see this 0.2-0.3 resistance change.
 

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seek, the only reason that I said that it would be better to stop this discussion is only because I want to protect the e-cig business if you understand what I mean. :)

We want to run with 1000 km per hour but sometimes we have to slow down if we want to keep irrelevant with vaping people out of here and out of vaping world.

Anyway, I am sure that you know what I mean. The only you have to do is to vape the best for you, according to this thread or other threads around ecf

ok, back to esg awesome wires!:rickroll:
 
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when used on a DNA30, the resistance of a dry coil (with no mesh) changes a lot.
Again, the 1.5ohm as rated by ESG, is measured as 1.9ohm at room temperature. It then increase to 2.5ohms when dry burned.
However, when used in a normal setup, with wick and liquid at 13W in a ithaka w/update, the resistance is steady. That means to me that the vaporization of the liquid is enough to maintain the temperature at a reasonnable level ... it's not retaining the heat and get hoter and hoter.
The high wicking capability of rayon helps a lot I guess. I can press the fire button at 13W for long time without feeling any dryness :)
If the behaviour of larger gauges is the same, rayon+titanium would make a terrific combo.
 

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when used on a DNA30, the resistance of a dry coil (with no mesh) changes a lot.
Again, the 1.5ohm as rated by ESG, is measured as 1.9ohm at room temperature. It then increase to 2.5ohms when dry burned.
However, when used in a normal setup, with wick and liquid at 13W in a ithaka w/update, the resistance is steady. That means to me that the vaporization of the liquid is enough to maintain the temperature at a reasonnable level ... it's not retaining the heat and get hoter and hoter.
The high wicking capability of rayon helps a lot I guess. I can press the fire button at 13W for long time without feeling any dryness :)
If the behaviour of larger gauges is the same, rayon+titanium would make a terrific combo.

Good to hear that :)
Rayon & Titanium like you are in my head :laugh:

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seek, the only reason that I said that it would be better to stop this discussion is only because I want to protect the e-cig business if you understand what I mean. :)

We want to run with 1000 km per hour but sometimes we have to slow down if we want to keep irrelevant with vaping people out of here and out of vaping world.

Anyway, I am sure that you know what I mean. The only you have to do is to vape the best for you, according to this thread or other threads around ecf

ok, back to esg awesome wires!:rickroll:

imeo is a great man because its inventions has always been done in the first place for passion and humanity, the business came alone to the high demand and success of the products,
imeo has always think about how to improve his products to make them an exceptionally experience satisfying and healthy,
and has always given us an incentive to try to understand, deepen, investigate,
i really appreciate this way of being, genial but with care for other people,
imeo it's a voice out of the chorus ..
 
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One one hand, some people are asking for evidence, on the other hand they post not serious links from internet, and on third hand they want to wait for scientists to make experiments. Instead of trying to be scientists or instead of waiting for scientists to make their experiments that their results will take years to come, I suggest you to not be guinea pigs, DONT oxidise your wires and vape on biocompatible materials. Its simple as that. All the rest is just to fill pages on ecf.

Can't argue with that, either keep your coils saturated and cool, or take the risk. :D

I've looked into Titanium quite a bit, even had a chat with a close teach of mine, the Senior Professor of Chemistry (Dr. Eric G. Holmberg who is a biochemist with several research interests. He has published many peer-reviewed articles and has been teaching for over 20 years, he's quite credible, and has an amazing broad knowledge of all things science, particularly Bio-Chemisty, so I thought he'd be the perfect guy to share the situation with. He for the most part agreed with me that (unless you have an allergy), even if you do (accidentally, because you shouldn't) dry burn the Titanium wire, and the heavy oxide makes it out of your juice, past the wick, and into your lungs, it won't cause noticeable harm. ESPECIALLY at the extremely tiny amounts of Titanium wire being used, and he was confident in this fact. He said, "If you were to grind up the 8 inches of wire, then completely oxidize it, then directly inhale it, you might feel some irritation, but no carcinogenic or bio-harmful effects will be present. (Unless of course, there's another element besides Titanium in the alloy.)

I really respect that your wanting to play it safe Imeo, because yes it hasn't been tested on humans, life throws alot of variables at us. I completely agree that you should be overkill in the safety aspect because, Why risk it? If you don't have to dry burn, don't. If you can't live without dry-burning don't use it. I'm sure soon this will be vaped along side kanthal, and the sheer lack of health problems resulting will be the best convincing factor for people. I'm personally super excited to try this stuff, I plan on spacing my coils so I don't have to heat and adjust, getting some relatively thicker wire, and take advantage of that surface area! Something tells me from the videos I've seen that this will be a cloud chasing machine! If I start feeling off, I'LL SIMPLY STOP! Easy as that!

I really think this "debate" is getting a little excessive, we're not talking about a world crisis, or a political event here. If you don't trust Titanium, simply wait and let me test it out for you. I'm confident enough in my scientific understanding of it, that I'm not going to die of AIDS a week after I vape it :rolleyes:.

The SAME SITUATION HAPPENED WITH GPLAT lol. Everybody was worried about the oh-so-deadly manganese content, and I told everyone after some research, that due to the properties of manganese, and the amount in the kanthal, it was impossible for their to be a dangerous amount in an entire 25 foot spool of Gplat. Manganese wouldn't make a good coil if it were in significant amounts to be harmful to vapers, it would break easily, and not conduct very well either. It also has a VERY high temperature threshold that would not likely be met even with a high powered box mod for it to even be released. On top of those facts, you need to inhale ALOT of manganese over A LONG period of time. I found this out through "permissible" levels of manganese allowed for welding standards. In other words how much was allowed for welders to inhale all day, at RIDICULOUS amounts relative to an 8 wrap dual coil at 50 watts. There was just no way, even if you combusted an entire spool of it below your nostrils everyday, could it harm your average (even no common sense) vaper.

Then Gplat confirmed it, there was less than 1% of the permissible amount of manganese present in Gplat period. That means even less of that 1% actually made it to your body, because it need to be heated to extreme vaping temps to even be released, and once released it need to avoid being trapped in the juice/wick, and then whatevers left of that tiny 1% will make it's way into your body. It's so negligible it's not even funny.

I really think everyone should just relax until it's found out for sure what risk there is, if any. ECF isn't about choosing wire "sides", we should all be hoping that Titanium works and is harmless because it's another coil alternative to get people off cigarettes. I personally have no strong feelings for any "side" of these "coil wars?", I'll simply vape it if there's no obvious threat, pay attention to my health as I always do, and use my brain to decide whether it's good or not. Simple as that.

I doubt Kanthal or Nichrome will ever disappear, so why the feather ruffling?

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ok guys my experience with ready made titanium wires. This first pic is a coil after 1 day of use, it is a single 0.5 ohm titanium ready wire, wicked with Rayon:



This second picture is a 2 day old coil of 2x1.5 ohms titanium ready wire twisted metering at 0.8 ohms also wicked with Rayon.



Conclusion: I did not notice any difference between Kanthal and Titanium in any aspect except the jumping resistance which is not detectable while vaping, and i am not sure if it is happening even. Might be handy though at some point.
Normal use of wire and dry burning 4 seconds at a time (because i was afraid to break it if dry burning more, already broke 2) did not give any odd oxidization from the wire, the oxide was black so no idea what is the composition, never got the white stuff, but still waiting for reels of 28 gauge to test that.

My decision now is well, nothing has changed for me really, I will get the 28 gauge reel, it gives me the advantage of more surface area per resistance.
But since i have lots of kanthal wire, and until Imeo and Vassili disclose what is the chemical composition of this wire (which will allow me to decide how I want to use this wire, burn it, not burn it, etc...), I will wait for more conclusive opinions from others.
 
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