Titanium wires

[druckle]

As a "best practice" hint....if you feel you really want to dry burn any of these wire materials I suggest you do it in a dark room with the pulse length only long enough to be able to see a faint glow. This can be repeated as many times as you need to in order to oxidize e liquid deposits so they can be brushed away. If done in this way no problem occurs for Kanthal, nickel or titanium alloys. Still I recommend ultrasonic cleaning rather than dry burning or a combination of the two. One can even put a bit of chlorine bleach in the ultrasonic cleaner if some deposits are particularly difficult to remove. Of course after any of these cleaning methods, a thorough rinse in running water is necessary.

 

[Aal_]

As a "best practice" hint....if you feel you really want to dry burn any of these wire materials I suggest you do it in a dark room with the pulse length only long enough to be able to see a faint glow. This can be repeated as many times as you need to in order to oxidize e liquid deposits so they can be brushed away. If done in this way no problem occurs for Kanthal, nickel or titanium alloys. Still I recommend ultrasonic cleaning rather than dry burning or a combination of the two. One can even put a bit of chlorine bleach in the ultrasonic cleaner if some deposits are particularly difficult to remove. Of course after any of these cleaning methods, a thorough rinse in running water is necessary.

Wow thanks druckle for a thorough explanation. Really appreciate it. As I understood and to sum up, correct me if I'm wrong:

- kanthal, titanium or nickel do not produce any bad chemicals and do not change their properties in a vaping context (300F-400F)

- if dry burning for long period of times composition of wires can be compromised, and in some cases (titanium) produce unwanted residue which however should not go into the liquid and vapor stream.

- your best bet for dry burning is to pulse for limited times and then wash and brush any residues on the wires.

 

[mrZoSo]

Seems like some good info druckle, thanks!
Pulsing is what I currently do, just to get the liquid deposits off. And I only do it when I change(2 or 3 days) the wicking material. This has been working great for me.
Plus I rebuild on a 1 1/2 to 2 week basis. Doing this, IMO, has maximized the flavor aspect for me.

 

[druckle]

You summed up the situation perfectly Aal.

 

[imeothanasis]

druck, I would hear what you say, really. But I have made a deep search on materials before I make this thread. I have explain a lot of things here, even the level of the temperature we vape. But if someone makes basic mistakes like "the temperature we usually vape is 300-400 Fahrenheit", you understand that this conversation cant go further.

Anyway, thanks for your input

 

[druckle]

If I have made a mistake Imeo please correct me. I have been going by the data provided in support of Temperature Protected Coils and I have not measured the coil temperature myself. If you have better data I would love to see it published.

 

[druckle]

I personally think one of the greatest benefits of titanium wire for vaping is the ability to apply it in devices
that allow full implementation of temperature protection. For me the potential benefits of temperature protection
go far beyond just elimination of the dry hit. First, I'm a person who savors the flavor of my e liquids and is
always searching for ways to make the vaping experience better and more consistent. Dripping can be very good but
it also can be pretty bad and lead to great variation in flavor as the more volatile flavoring agents are depleted
after each puff. I find that with maximum temperature control, consistency is improved dramatically, especially in
a proper tank atomizer.


Recently the Kanger Subtank has been touted as giving good flavor and I have started to explore that extensively.
I am not interested in the huge cloud aspect however but more in the 1.2 ohm prebuilt coil heads and especially the
rebuildable Subtank deck option.


I have been particularly exploring Nickel 200 wire and it works great in the Subtank BUT it's way too soft and way
to low in resistance to be able to provide a consistent vape and to conveniently fit the coils I prefer in the
Subtank RTA deck. I have also explored commercially pure (Grade 1) titanium and it seems significantly better than
Nickel 200 except that again the coils I want barely fit in the RTA decks.

After hearing that the esmokeguru titanium wire was higher in resistance than Grade 1 wire and that it was still
compatible with temperature controlled vaping I've been fascinated by it's potential. BUT there's a big problem.
I cannot reasearch the variation in resistance with temperature change for the alloy because I don't know what the
alloy is. I understand the need not to disclose the alloy for commercial reasons but it would be a big benefit for
the marketing of the material if data were available that allowed the esmokeguru wire to be used in a DNA
40/temperature protected mode without hours and hours of cut-and-try experimentation.
If Vasilis, Billypapa, or Imeomeothanasis could supply temperature correction data for DNA 40 temperature settings
with the esmokeguru wire I believe it could give the material a strong marketing benefit. My specific interest
would be the temperature setting that would allow a real 400F (204C) coil temperature to be achieved but a more
extensive disclosure of temperature/resistance correlation would certainly be appreciated also.

Evolve has stated that with Grade 1 Ti wire the maximum temperature setting would be half that for Nickel 200. I
find that either inaccurate or I am missing something entirely. In order to get the same vaping quality with Grade
1 titanium wire that I get with Nickel 200 set at 400F I find I have to set the temperature for the titanium coil
at 300-350F. If I set the temperatue to 200F as suggested by Evolve I get essentially zero vapor production and
constant temperature limitation indications. At first I believed the Evolve data but given no vapor at thier
suggested setting I started exploring higher temperature settings. Finally I hesitantly set 350 as a temperature
expecting to find burnt cotton or rayon immediately. Actually I found a super clean titanium coil and wicking
material that was in near perfect condition after use with several tanks of e liquid. All during this time I
achieved the best most consistent vaping experience that I have ever achieved with a wide range of drippers from
Origen to Magma to Veritas to Marquis etc. and certainly better than any other tank system I have tried. I would
love to be able to seriously explore the esmokeguru titanium wire without having to commit to weeks of experimentation
as I have done for Grade 1 titanium.

I hope that data can be supplied to allow convenient use of the esmokeguru titanium wire. I would appreciate it
and I believe many other folks who are serious about vaping would appreciate it and the market for the wire would
increase.

 

[Ariel_MX]

Here is the available info about esmokeguru titanium wires alloy:

Hi friends,
the e-smokeguru titanium wire is a special alloy and includes:
Titanium grade 2, Aluminium, nickel, chrome and iron.

We have until now very good feedback from all customers.

Thank you
Vassilis

e-smokeguru titanium wire is an alloy with 92% titanium and the rest is other materials like aluminium, iron, etc Adam

For temp controlled vaping you might want to check the GG VIR thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/611396-vir-official.html

The VIR - GG Wiki

 

[soulseek]

druckle great to have you in this thread. Are you sure the temperature control on DNA40 is accurate, particularly with Titanium?
Personally, I think temperature control is the most important news to vaping, more than moving from the original atomisers to tank RBAs. Finally, we can have a consistent and enjoyable vape.

 

[druckle]

No Soulseek I am not sure that the temperature control on the dna 40 is accurate although in communication with Evolve they claim that it is accurate within 10F for Nickel 200 wire. My experience with Grade 1 titanium suggests that Evolve's guidance on temperature settings is grossly in error or that, as I said, I am missing something important. I also believe that temperature control is going to be a great step forward but I would like to see "real temperature control" throughout the "draw" rather than just a reduction at a set maximum temperature. I believe that this would allow us to tune the vaping experience as one tunes a guitar or piano so that we could optimize our use of a device exactly as we want with e liquids of varying properties. Perhaps that is what will be happening soon. I know that such development is occurring now and with hard work and luck it will happen.

For now with the devices available and with at least maximum temperature control available vaping for me has improved dramatically.

 

[soulseek]

I also believe that temperature control is going to be a great step forward but I would like to see "real temperature control" throughout the "draw" rather than just a reduction at a set maximum temperature. I believe that this would allow us to tune the vaping experience as one tunes a guitar or piano so that we could optimize our use of a device exactly as we want with e liquids of varying properties.

This is exactly what VIR is at its core as well as some various other benefits. This is what we're all excited about and what we've been waiting for and it will be out very soon...

 

[druckle]

VIR should be a big positive step forward then. I hope to be able to try it soon.

 

[imeothanasis]

druck, I read again my first answer to you and it seems rude. I am really sorry. But when I see a person that looks serious on vaping, I expect from him to bring serious information too. I didnt see that, at least on "vaping temperature", so I thought that you are one more person that thinks he knows everything.

or maybe I was rude because I had a fight with my wife lol

Anyway, you are right on everything about DNA. VIR on the other hand will give you exactly what we all need. Real temperature control and not a limit on temperature. As for the dry burning........... We dont clean our pans by burning them because this was never a cleaning method. And I am not talking only for the wires that are getting red hot (we have discussed this issue already) but for the burned materials that stay on wire and then we vape their fumes. Imagine a pan with stucked burned oil inside it and us trying to inhale the fumes from it happily.

Temperature on vaping has to go up to 280 Celsious degrees, to avoid acrolein and big amounts of formaldehyde. If we increase the temp more we just harm ourselves

 

[JimmyDB]

druck, I read again my first answer to you and it seems rude. I am really sorry. But when I see a person that looks serious on vaping, I expect from him to bring serious information too. I didnt see that, at least on "vaping temperature", so I thought that you are one more person that thinks he knows everything.

or maybe I was rude because I had a fight with my wife lol

Anyway, you are right on everything about DNA. VIR on the other hand will give you exactly what we all need. Real temperature control and not a limit on temperature. As for the dry burning........... We dont clean our pans by burning them because this was never a cleaning method. And I am not talking only for the wires that are getting red hot (we have discussed this issue already) but for the burned materials that stay on wire and then we vape their fumes. Imagine a pan with stucked burned oil inside it and us trying to inhale the fumes from it happily.

Temperature on vaping has to go up to 280 Celsious degrees, to avoid acrolein and big amounts of formaldehyde. If we increase the temp more we just harm ourselves

Hello,

Can you give a link to more info about the VIR? I figure it's going to be difficult to search given the name is so short, if also used to describe the relationship between Voltage/Resistance/Current, etc. I would be most interested if it allowed for programmable temp profiles, i.e., being able to control the vape temp over time versus just more at the start etc,. and if we could save and select from a variety of previously saved profiles.

I'm interested in trying titanium, but I have seen a lot of back and forth about using the allow from ESG compared to using Grade 1 or Grade 2 Ti. I don't remember a good comparison having been made... so, if one of you readers have tried the three... can you remind me of your results?

 

[mrZoSo]

Got my Ti and rayon from ESG,,, three days early too! Ordered the 32mm. I must say the flavor is better for sure! I think the the juice flows better through the rayon and with more wraps of the Ti, to get the same resistance, there is more vaporizing going on. The flavor, for lack of a better word, seems more 'pure'. The throat hit is the same but smoother. With kanthal it seemed to have a little 'bite' which is now gone. I like it!!
I setup both my tanks the same, 6/7 wrap on 2.5mm. Let's see how they last through the weekend with a couple refills

 

[imeothanasis]

Hello,

Can you give a link to more info about the VIR? I figure it's going to be difficult to search given the name is so short, if also used to describe the relationship between Voltage/Resistance/Current, etc. I would be most interested if it allowed for programmable temp profiles, i.e., being able to control the vape temp over time versus just more at the start etc,. and if we could save and select from a variety of previously saved profiles.

I'm interested in trying titanium, but I have seen a lot of back and forth about using the allow from ESG compared to using Grade 1 or Grade 2 Ti. I don't remember a good comparison having been made... so, if one of you readers have tried the three... can you remind me of your results?

videos are here Jim


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjroFKMFPho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4_V6_W1ZM

 

[Angel Eyes]

Got my Ti and rayon from ESG,,, three days early too! Ordered the 32mm. I must say the flavor is better for sure! I think the the juice flows better through the rayon and with more wraps of the Ti, to get the same resistance, there is more vaporizing going on. The flavor, for lack of a better word, seems more 'pure'. The throat hit is the same but smoother. With kanthal it seemed to have a little 'bite' which is now gone. I like it!!
I setup both my tanks the same, 6/7 wrap on 2.5mm. Let's see how they last through the weekend with a couple refills

could you give us a report on the ESG titanium using organic cotton?

also what mod and atomizer are ya using?

 

[mrZoSo]

could you give us a report on the ESG titanium using organic cotton?

also what mod and atomizer are ya using?

Next build I'll use cotton on one and let you know.
I'm using Tilemahos attys, one on a GG4S and one on an Esterigon.

 

[Angel Eyes]

videos are here Jim


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjroFKMFPho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4_V6_W1ZM

when will a VIR device actually be available for purchase or beta test?

 

[imeothanasis]

its only days away Angel.