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Huh, I'd thought the Aspire was VV, but appears not in this link. Any idea what voltage the non VV are, or is there a way to find out in specs? My norm is to use 3.2 pretty much exclusively and only ramp up to 3.7 when a coil nears end of life. I could probably tolerate 3.2 in non vv, particularly if I'm using a better tank/coil system, but would be fearful of it being too little voltage as a permanent setting.

The K2 battery is not VV. It is, however, supposedly, a 4.8 volt fixed voltage battery as stated at the very bottom of this page. However I have tested supposed fixed voltage batteries in the past that were not actually fixed voltage, so YMMV. I'm not saying they are lying (they probably aren't), but many of the fixed voltage batteries I have tested were in fact lies, they were just regular old 4.2v batteries with unregulated voltage (therefore the vape gets weaker as the battery depletes as you vape it).
 

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    Huh, I'd thought the Aspire was VV, but appears not in this link. Any idea what voltage the non VV are, or is there a way to find out in specs? My norm is to use 3.2 pretty much exclusively and only ramp up to 3.7 when a coil nears end of life. I could probably tolerate 3.2 in non vv, particularly if I'm using a better tank/coil system, but would be fearful of it being too little voltage as a permanent setting.


    ""Both the K2 and K3 batteries operate at a fixed 5.5volts, which is around 16 watts using a 1.8Ω atomiser, and around 18 watts using a 1.6Ω atomiser."
     

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    I have a lovely freezer as part of my living room decor. It doubles as a printer stand, too. I'm not sure what I'm going to do at Christmas as it's located where I usually put my tree.

    That's a great idea, making it furniture. Is it quiet?

    At Christmas, tabletop trees on your freezer, if you don't need to get into it for a few weeks. These are made of pinecones wired together, 2 ft and 3 ft tall. I bought them many years ago. The birds and nests are mostly vintage hat maker decorations. The owl was a new purchase. I took apart a string of white poinsettia from the dollar store. The white lights are about all else. The wooden toy airplane on top of the taller one was cut off in the pic I took.

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    You will be hard-pressed to find 18mg 50/50 juice made with freebase nicotine in a local shop (but it could be possible). The juice market has changed in that if you want freebase juice, the vast majority only come in under 18mg and in 70VG thinnest as the market believes that any vapers who vape freebase juice today are high powered cloud chasers who want <10mg juice in high VG (although this is not true of course), so they push low powered vapers to salt nic. To get 50/50, you will mostly find Salt Nic (aka Nic Salt) juice in 20MG or higher, all the way up to 50mg, which is insane.

    There are exceptions I guess, but this is the rule these days with 99% of commercial juice brands.

    Even though you are not planning on making your own juice right now, but plan to in the future out of necessity, you have to buy your nic base now as it may not be available later or it might be taxed at $2,800 per liter. No joke. It has legally been put on the table in the federal govt at least 2 times now, but has died every time. And that is on top of any state vapor taxes your state may have. It's only a matter of time until a federal tax is reintroduced into some year-end bill and finally passes. Also, you have the USPS ban to deal with and then state bans. Veteran vapers who are just now feeling the squeeze of government may not have the liberty to "just buy nic base later when I figure it out".

    That said, TBD Liquids still sells 50/50 freebase juice and you can custom order 18mg. I believe that EC Blend Flavors also sells it but last I checked (last year) their shipping was ridiculously high. I also don't know if either one ships to MN.
    When I looked up Nic Salts on google, it says that process to create the salt reduces throat hit, which does not sound like what I want. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I definitely would not want to go bonkers on nic % to replace TH lost through salting process.

    Just placed a 50/50 18 mg order with TBD. We'll see... thanks!!
     
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    ""Both the K2 and K3 batteries operate at a fixed 5.5volts, which is around 16 watts using a 1.8Ω atomiser, and around 18 watts using a 1.6Ω atomiser."
    That seems super high when I used 3.2 on my zeus battery/1.5 Ω coils. Whenever I accidentally adjusted beyond 3.7 it would fry my coils quick. I already placed the order though, so I guess we'll see. Not too much $ commitment, though it sounds like I may want to explore higher Ω to reduce the strength if I'm understanding right.
     
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    My norm is to use 3.2 pretty much exclusively and only ramp up to 3.7 when a coil nears end of life.... I could probably tolerate 3.2 in non vv

    The norm is 4.2v not 3.2v, and then nominal voltage is 3.7 and then most of these types of batteries will not fire when voltage gets down to 3.5v.

    Keep in mind that all these small devices have massive voltage drop. With a tank on it, you will usually lose a good 0.5-0.7 volts, which is massive. Aspire may be a bit less since they tend to use better batteries than most as well as better electronics, but not always.

    When I looked up Nic Salts on google, it says that process to create the salt reduces throat hit, which does not sound like what I want. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I definitely would not want to go bonkers on nic % to replace TH lost through salting process.

    Yes. Salt nic will have less TH than freebase at the same mg. You may get acceptable TH at 50mg, but that's ridiculous IMHO o_O. Lots of people on cringy reddit claim to get addicted to vape such that "it ruins their lives". And then you eventually realize they were vaping 50mg disposables. :rolleyes:
     

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    If you don't mind going with a little thicker devices I suggest trying both the Zmax and Periscope. The Zmax comes with a replaceable 560 mah battery and a single cell charger. You can get larger batteries and a better charger later if you like it. You might as well get the Periscope at the same time as it's cheap enough and you might prefer it as it is impossible to change the settings inadvertently, which sometimes happens with the Zmax due to its single-button design.

    The Zmax is 21mm and the Periscope is 24mm at its thickest.

    Smok Mini Zmax Starter Kit (FINAL SALE) - $12.99 - VP Distributions & Wholesale Supplier

    Smok Telescopic Periscope MOD( FINAL SALE) - $3.99 - VP Distributions & Wholesale Supplier

    If you do place an order for them I would suggest getting a Kanger Unitank at the same time to try the atomizer.
    https://vpdistributions.com/tanks/kanger-unitank-clear

    If you like it then I would recommend getting my favorite tank the GS-H5, which uses the same atomizer.

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    The norm is 4.2v not 3.2v, and then nominal voltage is 3.7 and then most of these types of batteries will not fire when voltage gets down to 3.5v.

    Keep in mind that all these small devices have massive voltage drop. With a tank on it, you will usually lose a good 0.5-0.7 volts, which is massive. Aspire may be a bit less since they tend to use better batteries than most as well as better electronics, but not always.

    The Vapor Zeus batteries I've used for years are VV ranging from 3.2v-4.8v. In my experience with the 1.5 ohm dual coil/tank, 3.2v is plenty of power, perfect actually. Anything above 3.7 would lead to burnt tasting draw on new coils, but sometimes necessary to offset performance of a used coil that has become clogged from use.

    Yes. Salt nic will have less TH than freebase at the same mg. You may get acceptable TH at 50mg, but that's ridiculous IMHO o_O. Lots of people on cringy reddit claim to get addicted to vape such that "it ruins their lives". And then you eventually realize they were vaping 50mg disposables. :rolleyes:

    I'll get this eventually. I'm not clear why juice has changed from 2011 where V4L and bloog were selling perfectly good juices ranging from 0-3.6 nic. So simple to shop. Just visiting the EC Blend site you suggested makes my head hurt. I was looking through pages and pages of offerings and not understanding how to make a simple juice order with any nic at all in it. I cannot emphasize enough how little importance I give the amount of vapor plumes I exhale. I don't really even understand the enjoyment one would get from that. Is it like the enjoyment of wearing neon orange pants in public? So strange. If anything I want to be discreet about it when I vape. All I care about is a TH that doesn't make me hate life in the morning, and of course satisfying nic needs.
     

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    The Vapor Zeus batteries I've used for years are VV ranging from 3.2v-4.8v. In my experience with the 1.5 ohm dual coil/tank, 3.2v is plenty of power, perfect actually. Anything above 3.7 would lead to burnt tasting draw on new coils, but sometimes necessary to offset performance of a used coil that has become clogged from use.



    I'll get this eventually. I'm not clear why juice has changed from 2011 where V4L and bloog were selling perfectly good juices ranging from 0-3.6 nic. So simple to shop. Just visiting the EC Blend site you suggested makes my head hurt. I was looking through pages and pages of offerings and not understanding how to make a simple juice order with any nic at all in it. I cannot emphasize enough how little importance I give the amount of vapor plumes I exhale. I don't really even understand the enjoyment one would get from that. Is it like the enjoyment of wearing neon orange pants in public? So strange. If anything I want to be discreet about it when I vape. All I care about is a TH that doesn't make me hate life in the morning, and of course satisfying nic needs.


    OK so I misunderstood you. But if 3.2 volts is the most you can vape on a 1.5 ohm coil then you absolutely need something you can adjust down to 3.2 volts, so the innokin and the aspire mods above won't cut it. But it all get more complicated than that, because if you use a different tank than the one you are using, and therefore a different coil head, you will find that they can handle higher voltage without burning, certainly more than 3.2V.

    Things changed around 2012ish. China (which holds the title for affordable vape gear) decided it was going to cater almost entirely to the big clouds, high power crowd who wanted a loose direct lung (DL) draw and almost entirely neglected mouth-to-lung (MTL) vapers. DL cloud chasers tend to use high VG juice for the clouds and low MG nicotine content becuase at the higher wattages you don;t need 12+ mg of nicotine (well most don't anyhow). MTL vapers were pretty much screwed if they wanted newer gear for many years. Then maybe around 2017 or so things changed and many tanks were coming out for MTLers. And then the pod system craze hit, and that pod craze is still on today, augmented by disposables. Around this time is when Juul introduced salt nic and that's about when the ejuice market kinda changed so as to almost entirely drop high MG, high PG freebase juices and push people toward salt nic for the high mg juice, but throat hit suffered. I guess they just assumed most people did not want throat hit. I dunno.
     
    OK so I misunderstood you. But if 3.2 volts is the most you can vape on a 1.5 ohm coil then you absolutely need something you can adjust down to 3.2 volts, so the innokin and the aspire mods above won't cut it. But it all get more complicated than that, because if you use a different tank than the one you are using, and therefore a different coil head, you will find that they can handle higher voltage without burning, certainly more than 3.2V.
    Yes, I assume I'll need to swap out entirely into 2022 equipment if I get a new battery. All of the V4L equipment I have uses 808D. So, if I go Kanger, Innokin or aspire, I'll need to change over to whatever tank/coil systems have 510. It's probably foolish for me to think of anything in terms of how my 2014 equipment operates.

    On a related note, if anyone knows of a 808D battery->510 tank adapter, I'm all ears. I think I missed out on getting that adapter by a decade based on google searches.
     

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    On a related note, if anyone knows of a 808D battery->510 tank adapter, I'm all ears. I think I missed out on getting that adapter by a decade based on google searches.

    According to several posts on the internet...this 901 to 510 adapter linked to below will also work with 808D batteries. In fact, several websites call it a 901/808D to 510 adapter. It's not a really short adapter as many are, but it'll get the job done. A buyer named Dalrock, who bought 1 from the US vendor linked to below years ago...posted on page 2 of the Reviews for it, on Nov. 15, 2011, that it worked fine on his 808D batteries so he could use 510 cartomizers on them. It's cheap, at only $2.00, and it shows that it's in Stock.

    510 Adapter
     
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    ""Both the K2 and K3 batteries operate at a fixed 5.5volts, which is around 16 watts using a 1.8Ω atomiser, and around 18 watts using a 1.6Ω atomiser."

    5.5v was designed for SR (3 ohm) atomizers & cartomizers, at around 10 watts. You couldn't run that old stuff at 16-18 watts. AND, it's also why "LR" atomizers & cartomizers 1.6-2.0 ohms were invented ........... and 5.5v became a thing of the past.
    As you can imagine, a SR atty or carto on a single 3.7v battery was a pretty dull vape. (4.5 watts)
    But then the eGo battery (3.4v) was invented to tame down those LR cartos & atties. (7 watts)
     
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    I have a lovely freezer as part of my living room decor. It doubles as a printer stand, too. I'm not sure what I'm going to do at Christmas as it's located where I usually put my tree.

    Shorter tree, them fiber optic trees you just toss'em back in the box it came in till next season, lol
     
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