I've given birth naturally to 3 children. If Provaris existed back then, you better believe I would've been hitting that thing like it owed me money.
Took my son to the Zoo today with my PV and...
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I've given birth naturally to 3 children. If Provaris existed back then, you better believe I would've been hitting that thing like it owed me money.
So what all boils down to is some guy acted like a jerk. Didn't really lay hands on you like you claimed in the opening post. His wife knows he's a jerk and apologized on his behalf.
I didn't quote the only other post you made in this thread which was to laugh out loud at something someone posted.
4 posts in this thread, over the course of several days, and we finally get the whole story.
What I take from this thread is that it's OK to beat up someone if they break a moral code you've created AND/OR is smaller than you. If in doubt, quote Ghandi over the bodies of your slain enemies.
... I'm confused. Well... not really.
... I'm confused. Well... not really.
I'm an adult. I may not be 'cultured'. I may be vulgar at times. I may be irritated at times. I may be anti-social at times. I do try to be calm, cool, and collected though. Someone comes up to me, my intent is to educate. "This is what this is". "This is what it does". "This is not illegal". "This is no danger to you". If that doesn't work, then I give them 'the look'. "I know you are an idiot. You know you are an idiot. You know that I know you are an idiot. Now go away"...
Mencken said it best: Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
Mencken said it best: Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
Do you understand that it does not matter, at all, how law abiding everyone is... the effect is the same? If everyone doesn't vape in non-smoking ares (which will never happen, it doesn't even happen with all smokers good luck getting all vapers to do it) then it's exactly the same as having laws against vaping in non-smoking areas. SO WHO CARES??? Why not enjoy the few years, maybe months left we have of unregulated vaping before everything gets outlawed? It's gonna happen, and it doesn't matter how polite you are... at all.
I think we're less likely to have laws/rules against vaping if we vape in public. If we only vape in designated smoking areas, then every non vaper is going to assume it's exactly the same as cigarettes. We'll never get a chance to educate them. And we'll smell nasty, just like smokers, because we're hanging out in the smoking areas, so they'll smell that and assume that vaping is stinky just like smoking.
Honestly, my experience is that even fairly rabid non smokers don't mind the vaping, because it doesn't smell bad. I have a number of friends that would never have allowed me to smoke in their house or their car, but they don't mind if I vape.
I vape in public all over the place. Depending on the situation, I stealth so as not to draw a lot of attention, but I vape everywhere. I vape openly in bars and in restaurants (but I try not to visit restaurants during their busiest times, I try to sit off to the side more or less by myself, and I don't go to places that have playgrounds.) I've vaped in the Myerson Symphony Center while watching the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. I vaped during the Cirque du Soleil show. I've vaped at the Perot Science Museum. I've vaped at two different indoor rodeos, and every honky-tonk with a decent dance floor within 100 miles of Dallas. I vaped at the AT&T performing arts center. And in all the usual places like Walmart and Home Depot and Kroger and such.
As I said, I use reasonable judgement, and I stealth when I feel it's appropriate. When I'm at the theater, I'm not going to kick out big clouds that would distract people and call attention to me. I try to avoid it or stealth vape around kids.
Nobody cares. Nobody complains. All the talk about how everyone in public is going to freak out and stone you for vaping is just talk, it's not reality. In reality, I'm very open about it, and I've only been asked once not to vape. And even then, once I talked to the manager, he was fine with it. He had sent a bouncer over to tell me "no smoking" after seeing me across the room, but as soon as he saw my PV he told me "Oh, it's one of those, you are fine". I didn't even have to explain it to him. And that is the only time I've had an issue.
In the meantime, I've had a *lot* of people ask me "what is that" or "does that really work" or similar. I've given out hundreds of business cards for local vape shops. A lot of non smokers have learned a bit about vaping from me and know it doesn't smell like cigs, that it's healthier, that it's cheaper, etc. I've had friends start vaping, and I've had people come up to me and tell me "You showed me your PV and I bought one" or "After talking with you, I took my mom (or son or sister or whatever) and she's vaping now".
Vaping in public has a lot of benefits.
The "vape in smoking areas only" thing just means that vaping gets treated the same as smoking regardless of whether they pass any new laws. I refuse. I'll be polite if told not to vape, I'll educate when I can, and I'll follow the rules a business sets, but I'm not going to treat vaping like smoking, because vaping isn't smoking.
Honestly, my experience is that even fairly rabid non smokers don't mind the vaping, because it doesn't smell bad. I have a number of friends that would never have allowed me to smoke in their house or their car, but they don't mind if I vape.
I vape in public all over the place. Depending on the situation, I stealth so as not to draw a lot of attention, but I vape everywhere. I vape openly in bars and in restaurants (but I try not to visit restaurants during their busiest times, I try to sit off to the side more or less by myself, and I don't go to places that have playgrounds.) I've vaped in the Myerson Symphony Center while watching the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. I vaped during the Cirque du Soleil show. I've vaped at the Perot Science Museum. I've vaped at two different indoor rodeos, and every honky-tonk with a decent dance floor within 100 miles of Dallas. I vaped at the AT&T performing arts center. And in all the usual places like Walmart and Home Depot and Kroger and such.
As I said, I use reasonable judgement, and I stealth when I feel it's appropriate. When I'm at the theater, I'm not going to kick out big clouds that would distract people and call attention to me. I try to avoid it or stealth vape around kids.
Nobody cares. Nobody complains. All the talk about how everyone in public is going to freak out and stone you for vaping is just talk, it's not reality. In reality, I'm very open about it, and I've only been asked once not to vape. And even then, once I talked to the manager, he was fine with it. He had sent a bouncer over to tell me "no smoking" after seeing me across the room, but as soon as he saw my PV he told me "Oh, it's one of those, you are fine". I didn't even have to explain it to him. And that is the only time I've had an issue.
In the meantime, I've had a *lot* of people ask me "what is that" or "does that really work" or similar. I've given out hundreds of business cards for local vape shops. A lot of non smokers have learned a bit about vaping from me and know it doesn't smell like cigs, that it's healthier, that it's cheaper, etc. I've had friends start vaping, and I've had people come up to me and tell me "You showed me your PV and I bought one" or "After talking with you, I took my mom (or son or sister or whatever) and she's vaping now".
Vaping in public has a lot of benefits.
The "vape in smoking areas only" thing just means that vaping gets treated the same as smoking regardless of whether they pass any new laws. I refuse. I'll be polite if told not to vape, I'll educate when I can, and I'll follow the rules a business sets, but I'm not going to treat vaping like smoking, because vaping isn't smoking.
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I'm sorry,,,,,
but the zoo, the grocery store, the library are not your personal property,,,,,
isn't it up to the ZOO (or the grocery store or the library) where you are allowed to vape?
There's nothing wrong with drinking either, but most stores won't let you do it on premisis,,,,,try it and get arrested.
If I were teh OP, I'd have asked the ZOO where they allowed vaping.
Disney world has informed me they allow vaping only in smoking areas,,,,,,as much as it stinks,,,,I don't want to be tossed out on my ear, so I follow their rules.
If the zoo had told him he could vape whereever he wanted, he would have easily been able to tell the busy bodies to mind their own business,,,,,,
Just my 2 cents.
but the zoo, the grocery store, the library are not your personal property,,,,,
isn't it up to the ZOO (or the grocery store or the library) where you are allowed to vape?
There's nothing wrong with drinking either, but most stores won't let you do it on premisis,,,,,try it and get arrested.
If I were teh OP, I'd have asked the ZOO where they allowed vaping.
Disney world has informed me they allow vaping only in smoking areas,,,,,,as much as it stinks,,,,I don't want to be tossed out on my ear, so I follow their rules.
If the zoo had told him he could vape whereever he wanted, he would have easily been able to tell the busy bodies to mind their own business,,,,,,
Just my 2 cents.
Somehow, stealth vaping always looks to me like you have something to hide.
If it's right,,,,,,,just do it. Why hide it????? If you have to hide it,,,,,,,it's wrong.
If it's right,,,,,,,just do it. Why hide it????? If you have to hide it,,,,,,,it's wrong.
Well, op can't very well do all that chest thumping if he told the truth of what happened at the zoo now, can he?
And, it wouldn't be quite the "attention getter" without the embellishment.
This is why I probably won't enter these topics anymore (and a LOT of people feel the same way)......it's become a form of trolling. About 1/2 step away from it
We get them constantly and regularly..you know, the person who was speeding and got pulled, just happens to have a PV and so they claim they are being harassed etc. or somebody drunk in a restaurant and just happen to have a PV and are harassed by the bouncers......it's almost getting laughable how this persecution complex weaves itself into the vaping thing.
And then, finally, since we now know we didn't get the truth from the beginning......how can you even trust that ANY OF IT actually happened?
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Oye vey,
I believe this thread has went through it's course. Have we learned anything? Not really.
I believe this thread has went through it's course. Have we learned anything? Not really.
That is still assault. I'm sure he felt assaulted as well.
God forbid it happened to someone with ovaries. I can only imagine the descriptive's.
Easy, the OP was obviously upset upon initial post, came here to confide, and the usual suspects get on him.
Real nice.
Courtesy is like the glue that holds the society together.
The effect of being law-abiding and polite reaches far, far outside vaping. There is really no downside to either in the larger scheme of things.
I'm certainly not going to change the way I am over ONE single issue, when in the greater scheme of things, courtesy and law abiding "works" pretty good.
I learned that some people don't know the difference between an assualt and a rude comment.
I learned that when you start off not telling the truth that it is hard to take people seriously after that, let alone glorify what they had to say.
If the OP was upset, then they could have just said that they had an upsetting experience, then shared what it was. Instead, they shared what it wasn't. 1/2 of it didn't even go down as originally described.
IMHO if you're going to "confide" then confide in an honest manner.
The purpose of this seems to be to upset other people, rabble rouse, and promote chest thumping and outrage and more persecution complexes around vaping.
This serves no purpose, that is what I learned.
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I gave up smoking because I do not wish to breath smoke.
I will not vape in a smoking area because...wait for it...I do not wish to breath smoke.
Why on earth would any vaper accept being sent to a smoking area.
Am I inconsiderate in my vaping locations? NO but I will NOT allow myself to be sent to the smoking pit like a pariah.
In fact I keep waiting for a vaper to press a lawsuit over being sent to a smoking pit. Probably will be an employee of the place since they will have no choice but to comply.
I will not vape in a smoking area because...wait for it...I do not wish to breath smoke.
Why on earth would any vaper accept being sent to a smoking area.
Am I inconsiderate in my vaping locations? NO but I will NOT allow myself to be sent to the smoking pit like a pariah.
In fact I keep waiting for a vaper to press a lawsuit over being sent to a smoking pit. Probably will be an employee of the place since they will have no choice but to comply.
Please dont take this wrong because Im not knocking your post but this is also part of the problem we allow those who should not have authority it to begin with make rules and regulations that should not be then we sue so we can have partial freedom of what full freedoms we should of never lost.
Im sorry but this is not how things should be
No it isn't how it SHOULD be. Unfortunately it is how things ARE for the most part.
I dont think smaller or even beat up was brought up a black eye or fat lip is the adult version of the spanking a child gets when they present that behavior.
Yea and its a rotten shame! I get so frustrated every one has an opinion on this but how many are doing anything about the rules starting to lump us in with smokers?
The person who threw up the Minnesota Ban petition should have thousands of signatures in a short time. Provari Vs Zmax gets tons of attention Please help keep vaping alive gets a few. Something is just out of wack with some peoples thinking! But then again nobody seems to care about all of the life altering freedom losing unlawful acts are gooberment takes against us each and everyday why should this be any different.
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