Trolls and our emotional attachment to our decisions

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p.opus

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Why is it that we make ourselves Troll-Bait by carrying such an emotional attachment to our stuff.

When we were smoking cig's we didn't engage in Camel vs Marlburo arguments. There wasn't some Pall Mall smokers fighting it out with the Lucky Strike smokers.

But here we seem we have daily threads about which tank is better, which battery is better, which mod is better.... And if you are an owner of <insert your favoirite device here> you have the best. We even engage in this process in our choice of vendors.

Why is that? Are we so insecure in our choices that we have to justify ourselves? Whether it is the owner who owns 8 eGo-T's who fancies himself as thrifty, or the ProVari owner who states unless you have a ProVari, you aren't vaping.

What's worse is that everytime a "troll" post hits the boards, we all see it coming....like a train wreck....and yet not only do we have to look, we have to participate. I'm guilty of this as well.

It's one thing when a new person to vaping asks an "honest question", but another one when the person is simply trolling.

Moving forward, I'm done with trolling. If I see an obvious troll message, I'm leaving it alone. If I see a person honestly looking for information, I'm going to give it to them based on my experience. If they don't accept what I have to say, I'm moving on.

By continuing to feed the trolls, we just make ourselves look foolish as the troll simply laughs and laughs and laughs as our collective "panties get twisted into a knot".

Just my :2c:

(P.S.....If you don't use the iTaste vv3 in VW mode at 6.5Watts with Mini Protank 2 and 12mg Wowboy e-juice and buy all of your gear from Sun Vapers, you're a fool........:facepalm::evil:;):lol:)
 

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Why is it that we make ourselves Troll-Bait by carrying such an emotional attachment to our stuff.

When we were smoking cig's we didn't engage in Camel vs Marlburo arguments. There wasn't some Pall Mall smokers fighting it out with the Lucky Strike smokers.

Wait a minit, there were the Tareyton smokers that would rather fight than switch, and I saw them on TV with black eyes too! They were just as bad a we are! But maybe that was before your time...
 

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If you notice, the bulk of the trolls and argument inciters have a low post count.

Now before anyone gets upset about people pointing out post counts, I understand there are veterans here with less than a hundred posts, which is fine and dandy, and some have been vaping longer than they've been posting.

However, I've noticed a sharp increase in the amount of new posters, which in and of itself is a good thing, more people are vaping than smoking. But as ECF grows, it's going to collect miscreants, trolls, and all-around unpleasant people. Many are not familiar with the netiquette on this board, nor the rules. This forum is snowballing, and hopefully the mods will keep things under control.

But no, it's true, the number of troll threads on this forum is growing exponentially.

"What's worse is that everytime a "troll" post hits the boards, we all see it coming....like a train wreck....and yet not only do we have to look, we have to participate. I'm guilty of this as well."

We can look, but we most definitely do not have to participate. It seems you came to this conclusion at the end of your post.
 

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I liken it to going to the zoo and feeding the monkeys and elephants. Wish I could find that pick of a giraffe sticking it's tongue out as my daughter held some food out. The look on her face is priceless.

I use what I use. Anyone doesn't like it, well not my problem. It is like that first time playing baseball. I got laughed at and put at 8th on the batting spot because I carried an old wooden bat in while everyone had their nice shiny never used aluminum bat. My turn up hit a home run that gave us a 5 minute break while the dude ran/walked to get it. Funny, everyone showed up with a wooden bat the next game.
 
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My Provari is loaded up with some Grape Lime Rickey, what u got in yours?

And, the Reo has Happy Apple in it.

Happy Apple....is that any good? I'm looking for a good Apple e-juice. I tried some MVP Apple and it was insanely expensive, currently have some Apple from avejuice, and it's ok. I've got some coming from ECBlends because people say it tastes like a Jolly Rancher, and that sounds fun....I would love a nice Jolly Rancher Vape....
 

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Why is it that we make ourselves Troll-Bait by carrying such an emotional attachment to our stuff.

I have no emotional attachment to stuff, only to people and my pets. I could give a rat's behind what some person thinks about what I buy (or don't buy). I buy things that please me, not the guy down the block.

I am one of the few people at work that drives a foreign car. The other guys at work gave up giving me grief about it after they realized I just didn't care what they had to say. I don't care if they're unhappy about my purchase.

I really enjoy good discussion and debate, whether in person or on the Internet. But emotional arguments? They don't appeal to me nor do they impress me.

What's that saying about arguing on the Internet? ;)
 

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Trolls are everywhere, and the net will never be rid of them. People fight over what's the best equipment and things like that because everything is subjective in regards to e-cigs. It all depends on how you like your throat hit, whether you like to fiddle with things or prefer something that is no fuss.... Just as so many people like to point out that taste is subjective, so is most of everything else to do with e-cigs. Even if people are arguing over it, someone can learn something from those arguments. Debate can be quite informative. I learned I wanted a VW device on top of a VV device from those arguing the merits of both.
 

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I think people are often oversensitive and cast the troll wand without merit.

Sometimes people are so passionate about their beliefs that they take any different opinion as an affront...and that irritates me.

I've seen threads closed for no other discernable reason than somebody had an unpopular opinion, and was therefore labelled as a troll. Ironic, really.

God forbid you don't shill the CASAA at every opportunity, or suggest that vaping in public is not an inalienable right.
 
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    Happy Apple....is that any good? I'm looking for a good Apple e-juice. I tried some MVP Apple and it was insanely expensive, currently have some Apple from avejuice, and it's ok. I've got some coming from ECBlends because people say it tastes like a Jolly Rancher, and that sounds fun....I would love a nice Jolly Rancher Vape....

    I make my own. I use an apple flavoring for tobacco that can be found in many smoke shops.
     

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    This was written by my dear friend and fellow admin on a ball python related forum that we co-own. Seems appropriate for this thread! Posted with permission.

    The Care and Feeding of Trolls

    The first step in caring for trolls is to make sure they have been properly identified. There are many forum species that might LOOK like trolls at first glance, but are actually quite different. Let's take a look at some of these similar species first:

    Grammar Butcher -- These folks don't spell well, have no sense of sentence structure, and rarely make use of punctuation. Sometimes this is due to genuine deficiencies in education and should not imply that their motives are bad...just that they had a bad start in life. Sometimes it's due to pure laziness, but even lazy people can be warmhearted and kind.

    The Child -- Not always easy to identify when all one has to go by is text on a screen. Some children may be mistaken as Grammar Butchers because their education simply hasn't progressed far enough yet. But some children can spell and write just fine. Their emotional responses will often come across as immature, confrontational, or even hostile. This is almost always due to nothing more sinister than a lack of life-experience in which they learn how best to get along with others. The child may sometimes be difficult to deal with, but they are usually sincere in their desire to be an accepted member of the group.

    Anti-Diplomat -- These guys will speak without thinking. They feel it is of the utmost importance that their opinion be expressed (often loudly) no matter what anyone else thinks about it, or how it might make anyone else feel. Some anti-diplomats have a gentle heart, but they simply lack the skills to express themselves in a productive manner. They have little sense of tact or decent timing. They frequently come across as confrontational and sometimes downright mean. But at the same time, they are exactly who they say they are. They may not be nice to deal with, but their intentions and reasons for being involved are just what they say.

    The Foreigner -- Often mistaken for a Grammar Butcher because they are trying to communicate in a language that they did not grow up with. Also, different cultures have different customs for expressing things like respect and gratitude, so such niceties are often lost in translation. But no matter where someone is from, or what language they were born to, their motivations are just as likely to be as warm and sincere as anyone else's.

    Drama Royalty -- Emotional. That is the key word to describe this group. Sometimes referred to as "drama queens" but that is a misnomer, because there are just as many males as females of this species. They take everything personally. Disagreements are usually seen as personal attacks. Frequently, they have a compulsive need to share every event of their life that causes an emotional ripple. They do best with lots of patience and a deft hand at diplomacy, but are harmless to the community.

    Antagonist -- This species is the bane of the drama royalty. Sometimes they ally with the anti-diplomat, but are just as likely to poke sticks at them as well. They simply enjoy watching other people squirm and are greatly entertained at the effects of gasoline on fire. This is an unpleasant species to have in the community, but they are also just as likely to be valuable contributors. The smart ones establish their credentials before they begin their antagonistic games. The less than smart ones are often mistaken for trolls when they first show themselves.

    Txt Typer -- Too lazy to type out full words that they are perfectly capable of spelling, this one is just plain annoying to most who like to read in complete sentences. They show a general lack of respect for the community they are participating in, but at least they are usually honest about who they are and what their intentions are.

    The Needy -- This species needs their hand held over every little detail. They disdain search engines and scoff at reading anything that isn't typed out for them specifically. They often need multiple answers to the same question...just to make sure they got it. They will ask a new question or even start a new thread for each step of whatever process they are trying to grasp. While they may try the patience of those helping them, they are at least sincere in their need for help.

    These are just a few examples of species that are MISTAKEN for Trolls. And when any of them are put into the same environment most reserve for trolls, the results can be disastrous. Now, let's take a look at what a real troll is:

    THE TROLL -- The Troll may or may not exhibit any combination of the traits listed above. One must take the time to identify the KEY characteristics of a Troll over and above the surface features. Trolls are rarely ever who they say they are. Trolls have the sole purpose of disrupting the community. They don't want to learn anything or fix anything or be nice to anyone. They may start their own thread topic, but are far more likely to try and disrupt other threads. A troll will go after the weaker members (drama royalty, anti-diplomats, antagonists, the child) with a gusto, but they will also sling their barbs at any target that presents itself, including community leaders. It's rare that a genuine Troll can participate very long before giving in to the need to gloat and flash their true face at the community.

    So what should a community do when they finally identify a Troll within their midst? The answer is not an intuitive one and instinctive reactions to Trolls lead to a great many mistakes that cause more harm than the Troll could have inflicted on its own.

    Common Mistakes in Handling Trolls:

    1. The MOST COMMON mistake is to call a Troll a troll. While doing so may make the "hunter" feel smart, all it does is make the troll giggle. And if the hunter has misidentified the troll, they can cause serious damage to both their target and to the site's own reputation for friendliness and acceptance.

    2. Arguing with a Troll. This is exactly what the troll wants you to do. The more you argue, the harder they laugh. They don't care one whit about how logical or how smart their target is. They got an argument, and they will go to town playing with it.

    3. Turning on allies.
    This is a Troll's greatest goal. A truly supreme example of this nasty species can get a community to turn in on itself and start taking its own members out. When there is blood in the water, and tempers are raging hot, it is critical that members be both able and willing to back out and take a long, hard look at who is truly the enemy.

    How to Properly Feed a Troll

    Trolls will wander into any community from time to time. The larger and more diverse the community, the more likely they are to appear...AND the harder they are to properly identify. Once they appear, they must be dealt with in such a way that both protects the community at large and mitigates the damages the Troll can cause before it moves on.

    1. Number One Rule - BE NICE!
    Kill it with kindness. If all the members are kind and patient with the Troll, then it receives no nourishment and gains no foothold with which to establish itself. It may scramble a little harder after being hit with a round of sheer niceness, but eventually, it will feel starved for real entertainment and move on to riper fields. This action also has a critical added benefit of making sure the similar but innocent species get the help and acceptance they need and builds the overall good reputation of the community.

    2. Ignore them. This can be very difficult, but for some, it's the only alternative to the impossible task of being nice. If the trolls are ignored, that will also contribute to a quick sensation of starvation that will have them quickly moving on. And, at the very least, if one isn't poking sticks at the trolls, then one isn't at risk of accidentally poking an innocent with the same stick.

    3. PRIVATELY alert the Community Leaders. If one suspects a Troll, the best way to express that is in private to any of the community leaders. They have tools at their disposal that the rest of the community does not have. They can, and will, use these tools to both identify, and root out if necessary, any genuine trolls.

    FEED THE TROLLS!!! Feed them kindness, patience, and compassion. They can't stomach it and will quickly move on to other hunting grounds. Any other food source, even the war-cry of "Do Not Feed the Trolls" is not only pure enjoyment for them, it is, in the long run, harmful to the very community it wishes to protect.
     
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