vape on bro and thanks for the definitions fella's. A shame our language has been so butchered along with our politics.
Good luck.
Good luck.
FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule
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Common refrain for liberals - the 'moral equivalency' argument - everyone does it, so that makes it ok for us to. But there's a difference. Dems can't say we just want socialism and use global warming and other fear mongering stuff to justify it. They have to lie about every issue they have. If they told the truth they'd never get elected. Not that there aren't some that support those policies - just that the majority never would - IF they knew. One way to keep them from ever knowing is gov't schools, Hollywood and the media and that will eventually, if it hasn't already, make the difference.
Republicans tend to say what they'd like to do, but then get scared when they attempt to do it because the liberals (and their lapdog media) attack them as racist, sexists, homophobes, etc. and for some reason they think the people may believe that - most won't, and would applaud and support them holding up their smaller gov't pledges, but they're too scared to carry it out, so you end up with John McCain, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell (and too many others). And certain individuals on Fox News, I might add.
This shows up on the ecig issue - for the most part conservative media and most conservative/libertarians will support ecigs or at least support decreasing the power of the FDA. We get the real science studies shown in that media - Fox, Reason, Forbes (with a few distracting pieces) and we get the junk science published at HuffPo, NPR, ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTWAPO (with a few 'pro' or 'mixed' pieces thrown in). They lie about the intent - "public health' and attack the benefits of ecigs by demonizing vapers, altering or making up health issues and hopping on any 'incident' of "poisoning' or 'exploding batts' (that happen in any rechargeable device).
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I'm just setting the stage for my comment tomorrow/late evening that will be on topic.
It's on in the background here
I actually agree with a LOT of what you said here... NOT everything of course, BUT, a lot none
the less.
I totally agree that the Left uses the racist, homophobe and sexist attack wayyy
too often.
and I agree with your last paragraph.. 100%.
If I agreed with EVERYTHING you said there, I would no longer be a liberal.
Though, in Europe, I am considered a Conservative. LOLZZZ.
This up today from the FDA. Gotta love the double speak; we don't know if they have it or not, but they won't be releasing whatever we don't know they have.
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm470409.htm
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm470409.htm
Coercion is folly and neither tolerant nor liberal.
At least we haven't been labelled a terrorist group yet.
Good night folks and good luck.
At least we haven't been labelled a terrorist group yet.
Good night folks and good luck.
Well, the fact they posted that "Don't Panic!" means they heard us at least! I'm still panicking.This up today from the FDA. Gotta love the double speak; we don't know if they have it or not, but they won't be releasing whatever we don't know they have.
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm470409.htm
This up today from the FDA. Gotta love the double speak; we don't know if they have it or not, but they won't be releasing whatever we don't know they have.
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm470409.htm
From the above link:
Translation: We put the fear of JBTs in them.
Translation: If the regulatory process were truly transparent, the public wouldn't tolerate it, so we can't have that.
Translation: We will continue to provide lip service until the regulations, that the corporations who fund us want, are in place.
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This up today from the FDA. Gotta love the double speak; we don't know if they have it or not, but they won't be releasing whatever we don't know they have.
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm470409.htm
I'm beginning to wonder what the exact nature of TVECA's relationship with the FDA really is. After all, they pulled a similar stunt before--and we discussed it here last year.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...opy-of-fdas-e-cig-regulatory-proposal.553847/
Anyone here remember the infamous countdown clock they had on their website?
They are having way too many "informal discussions" with the FDA."Proposed FDA eCig regulations
The TVECA has had informal discussions with the FDA today, 4/18/2014, and we all decided that in the best interest of the regulatory process as well as the industry and the public, not to post the document on Tuesday."
Do they really represent the industry? I don't know, honestly...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...gulatory-proposal.553847/page-2#post-12926728
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/tobacco-vapor-ecig-association.269557/#post-5357017
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I'm beginning to wonder what the exact nature of TVECA's relationship with the FDA really is. After all, they pulled a similar stunt before--and we discussed it here last year.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...opy-of-fdas-e-cig-regulatory-proposal.553847/
Anyone here remember the infamous countdown clock they had on their website?
"Proposed FDA eCig regulations
The TVECA has had informal discussions with the FDA today, 4/18/2014, and we all decided that in the best interest of the regulatory process as well as the industry and the public, not to post the document on Tuesday."
Do they really represent the industry? I don't know, honestly...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...gulatory-proposal.553847/page-2#post-12926728
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/tobacco-vapor-ecig-association.269557/#post-5357017
If I remember correctly, they are funded by tobacco companies.
I prefer not to jump to conclusions about TVECA but I respect others concerns. I just sent TVECA an email with a request for a specific timeline on additional releases of "leaked" documents. I also asked them to send these additional documents to ME! No harm in asking.
Stay tuned....
/Hello FDA
Stay tuned....
/Hello FDA
Its been way over 48 hours. No explanation seems to be forthcoming.I prefer not to jump to conclusions about TVECA but I respect others concerns. I just sent TVECA an email with a request for a specific timeline on additional releases of "leaked" documents. I also asked them to send these additional documents to ME! No harm in asking.
Stay tuned....
/Hello FDA
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Does this liberals vs conservative bull.... have to be shoehorned into every thread? Well, at least you forgot to throw some hackneyed play on Obama's name in here, like "Obummer" or some stupid ...., and you did manage to not call liberals "librards", so good on you for that. There's nothing good about being religiously devoted to any political ideology. There are major problems with both liberals and conservatives, and the biggest problem is that these clubs are filled with people who aren't capable of thinking for themselves. But, based on my own observations, conservatives are, by a wide margin, the biggest thread high-jacking offenders. No freethinking individual is going to be converted, so what's the point? We've seen clear examples of the horrendous .... that happens when republicans are in power. As a freethinking individual, I find the Republican Party to be overly concerned with Christian religious values. I'm sorry, but for a while stopping gay weddings was near the top of their lis of priorities. That about says it all. That is a clear example of the Republican Party functioning as the Christian moral police. That is also a clear example of Republicans wasting a lot of .......ned time and resources on stupid .... that doesn't even matter. The democrats are no better with their time wasting bull.... that is the gunrights debate. To be a member of either group means that you have to embrace incorrect nonsense that isn't good for anybody, just because you support the basic tent-pole ideas. The problems in this country are not going to be solved by a democrat or a republican, that's for damned sure.
"When government's boot is on your throat, whether it's a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
However, when it comes to the FDA Deeming, it does look like there's a fairly clear partisan divide. Virtually all the politicians who have been pushing the FDA to finalize the Deeming have a "D" after their name, and ALL 26 of H.R. 2058's cosponsors have an "R" after their name.
Go figure.
My thinking is I can Sit Around and Blame one Side for This. Or the Other Side for That.
Seems like all it does is put a Divide right down the Middle of All Vapers. Not sure how this Helps us get Better Regulations with the FDA?
Seems like all it does is put a Divide right down the Middle of All Vapers. Not sure how this Helps us get Better Regulations with the FDA?
Aren't you now doing the same thing you just accussed others of? Only you're slamming Republicans? We are discussing FDA regulations, not religion or gay marriage in this thread. Please take discussions of those topics to the Lounge.
Or the OUTSIDE.
The OUTSIDE is a Perfect Location for those who would like to Engage in this type of Political "Debate".
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