FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule

[Kent C]

Years of anti smoking campaigns sealed that deal.

There's no doubt the fear mongering, ridicule, designated areas, etc. along with taxes got rid of a lot of smokers but the hard core that was left - most of the people on this forum (and others of course) - were that 22-25% who simply weren't going to quit smoking. So at least that could be 'relied upon' by the states. However, ecigs have cut into even the hard core and that basically was my point on how the money from MSA will eventually evaporate. Killing vaping is about the only good choice of keeping that steady stream of money coming in.

That said, the same Democrat Senators that have been writing the FDA and OMB to hurry up with the final rule, also put forward the idea (Dec. 2014?) of including ecigs in the MSA, perhaps after seeing the House Bill 2058 to change the grandfather date.

 

[Katya]

First of all comparing what happens in WESTERN European democracies to the way things function in countries like Dubai....?...doesnt seem to make a very valid paralell IMO

The reason I brought it up is because the proposals brought up in the US and those about to come into effect in the EU are very similar and clearly going in the same direction !

BT, BP and their interests are GLOBAL and the motivation behind all this ($$$$$ for the gov and for their "allies" ie. these big companies) is too!

Here we "missed" the opportunity to do something about this regulation (the EURO TPD) while it was still possible....

....mainly due to complacency+ the lack of information of the "general" vaping public who didnt know what was being prepared (and/or didnt believe it could really happen in a "free",democratic country) and for all these various reasons FAILED TO ACT !

Result ? Ours have already been voted and, in some countries, sometimes even applied!

To sum it up,the motivation behind my post was to say :

WATCH OUT.... THIS CAN HAPPEN TO YOU TOO if you DONT ACT NOW !

and for that reason I feel it absolutely does have it's place in a US call to action thread!

I agree 100%!!!

We're all in this mess together. The FDA, the WHO, the EU... Only PHE had the guts to buck the trend and they have been attacked viciously for that. I was really hoping that the FDA would take PHE's findings and recommendations under consideration and at least try to rethink and lessen their stance... But it doesn't seem to be the case. Bloody cowards.

 

[Qew]

Welp, I finally got through using the 1414 number, after trying all day... then I spent about 2 hours on hold. "Comment line volunteer operators are assisting other callers, please continue to hold" Every 30 seconds! It was worth it get get my comments in with the rest of you!

 

[SlushPuppy]

They shouldnt destroy the industry. But embrace it. As much as i *insert obsurdly long multi explicitive here* hate BT. Imagine the kind of gear we might get with the kind of money they have behind them. "Vaping is the future of this countries nicotine consumption. There is no denying that." pulled that from my congressional rep email. Unfortunately, when i finally built the courage to call, i missed the hour deadline. Im kicking myself in the ... for it now. With my severe anxiety, talking on the phone makes me freak tf out. I dont even talk on the phone to my parents or mental health team. Its that bad. Ive had an extraordinary fear of speaking on the phone since i was a tot. I dont know why. But for once in my life, i thought this instance was important enough, i didnt care what it did to me, even if it meant a freakout. All my effort to just miss the god forsaken deadline. Dang, i feel like a tool for not building the courage earlier. Sorry everyone, feel like ive let you down. =/

 

[SlushPuppy]

Oh. Is there another number to try? I think i might have missed that. Any numbers open past 5pm EST? Cuz i swear, ill call that thing until my touchscreen breaks.

 

[Major Meatwad]

"http://ecigintelligence.com/deeming-regulations-reach-their-final-hurdle-the-white-house/"

"On Monday, the FDA sent the regulations – which deem e-cigs to be tobacco products, and thereby bring them under the agency’s authority – to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) within the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in the White House.

The OMB’s main role in the deeming regulations process is to ensure that they comply with overall federal policies set by the White House.

Its approval is the final step before the deeming regulations are published and become effective. It could send the regulations back to FDA for further revisions, but will likely approve them and allow them to move forward to publication.

There is no strict timetable for the OMB to comment, although it typically responds to agencies within 60 days.

However, its review could take weeks or months. During this time, the OIRA will consult with stakeholders to assess any unintended consequences that the regulations could have on the vapour industry."

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The FDA has officially submitted its new regulations deeming e-cigs as tobacco products to the white house, Its up to Obama's personally chosen cartel to make the final decision or reject it for updates and further review. Hopefully legal lawyer sense will prevail as Nicotine is not an exclusive Tobacco product and is also found in the Vegetables we eat such as tomatoes and eggplants!

Study proving that Nicotine is in Vegetables

Nicotine isn't Tobacco products just as Pepsi isn't Coffee. They both contain caffeine but from different sources. Coffee trade regulations do not apply to soda/soft drinks right?


Never thought I would say this,

Obama don't fail me now!

 

[Katya]

Oh. Is there another number to try? I think i might have missed that. Any numbers open past 5pm EST? Cuz i swear, ill call that thing until my touchscreen breaks.

I know only two numbers:

202-456-1111

202-456-1414 (main switchboard--you'll have to wait for a live person)

 

[Kent C]

Executive Order 12866 limits to 90 days the period for OIRA review. Yesterday, an FDA spokesman stated that “[w]hile the office has 90 calendar days to review rules, the window could be extended to allow for further interagency discussions.”

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I agree 100%!!!

We're all in this mess together. The FDA, the WHO, the EU... Only PHE had the guts to buck the trend and they have been attacked viciously for that. I was really hoping that the FDA would take PHE's findings and recommendations under consideration and at least try to rethink and lessen their stance... But it doesn't seem to be the case. Bloody cowards.

My father worked for the government and while he openly was Republican he was closer to Libertarian. He was as honest a man as ever was and constantly ran up against (as he said) "the bass turds". He was laterally moved several times to get him out of a position to block things that shouldn't be. My Mother wanted him to go public several times about things that they end run around him but potential loss of retirement and benefits for the family kept him silently disgruntled. He kept up the good fight until retirement, but was so ostracized by then he had little actual clout. He actually made more money and had more tenure than his boss for the last 8 years because they eventually moved him to a position that was 3 tiers below where he was 20 years before. They couldn't reduce his pay because he hadn't done anything legally or morally wrong, but could change his job duties. Power and money most always end up the victors in the long run, not what is right or fair for the public.

 

[SlushPuppy]

Thanks katya, ill try the 1414 number now. This is the most loving, accepting community ive ever had the pleasure being apart of. If you all planned a march on DC, i would freakin walk and hitchhike there just to be apart of it, nay the agoraphobia. I love you guys. I wish i hadnt taken such an exstensive break from ECF. You all are amazing. Lets keep this up, fight it tooth and nail. And for the guy who said the dog will bite, well puppies can draw blood too

 

[zoiDman]

Thanks katya, ill try the 1414 number now. This is the most loving, accepting community ive ever had the pleasure being apart of. If you all planned a march on DC, i would freakin walk and hitchhike there just to be apart of it, nay the agoraphobia. I love you guys. I wish i hadnt taken such an exstensive break from ECF. You all are amazing. Lets keep this up, fight it tooth and nail. And for the guy who said the dog will bite, well puppies can draw blood too

You can Call Tomorrow also.

Just like you can Call the Whitehouse, or the FDA or CDC or about Any Government Agency, any time.

 

[SlushPuppy]

My alarm is already set for 8:45 am. Got myself a good script written out too. I might end up sounding like a repetitive ahole. But i will call every second i get tomorrow.

Did someome say the anti ecig CTA was yesterday? Wow. I feel bad for the operators having to listen to a crap ton of BT lobbyists. Haha.

 

[Rossum]

Jeebus. Having just read the "Guidance" for PMTAs for ENDS that OmniVape posted yesterday, I can only conclude that:

• The above-board retail vape industry as we know it will be wiped out when they start enforcing that. Sure, there will be a few BT and BV products available from companies that have the resources to file the required applications, but the rest of what we've come to know and enjoy, particularly the wide variety of products... Gone, because they are incapable of jumping through hoops held that high.
  
  
• The statement (starting at line 240) that: "an e-liquid that is sold or distributed for further manufacturing into a finished ENDS product is not itself a finished tobacco product and, at this time, FDA does not intend to enforce against such such e-liquids.." is rather puzzling. That does seem to leave the door wide open for DIY, as well as entrepreneurs willing to engage in, let's just say, "counter-economics". I could speculate why they are doing this, but I'll refrain for the time being.
  
  
• I need a bigger freezer.

 

[sofarsogood]

yes,I didnt mention this but it's the same here, all vape forums, vape meets etc would be BANNED under the "indirect publicity" rule.....

I thought the limitations on tobacco advertising was part of the Master Settlement Agreement, meaning a civil agreement, NOT legislation, because, I believe, in that form it would be very unconstitutional. In the mean time We The People have the RIGHT to assemble peacefully. That would include people who are vaping unless vaping were made illegal and there's no hint of that.

 

[salemgold]

I FINALLY got through using 202 225 6105 that I found elsewhere. Sure, they seemed interested in my story but, we all know how that goes. They are paid to act like they care. If nothing else at least we were able to tell our stories and give them yet another idea of just how many of us (voting/ vapers) are out here. Not that it will mean much to Obama but, we shall see.

 

[zoiDman]

• The statement (starting at line 240) that: "an e-liquid that is sold or distributed for further manufacturing into a finished ENDS product is not itself a finished tobacco product and, at this time, FDA does not intend to enforce against such such e-liquids.." is rather puzzling. That does seem to leave the door wide open for DIY, as well as entrepreneurs willing to engage in, let's just say, "counter-economics". I could speculate why they are doing this, but I'll refrain for the time being.
  
  
• I need a bigger freezer.

I believe the Provision starting on line 240 is so a Manufacture/Broker/Distributor would Not be Subject to End User Regulations.

BTW - How Big of a Freezer do you have? Having Read your Posts over the Years, I Couldn't Imagine you would Skimp Out on a Freezer.

 

[roxynoodle]

Honestly, I think they are banking on us returning to smoking. Instead of taxing the heck out of vaping, they will demolish it, and assume they will get their already established money back from cigarettes. They are wrong about that for many of us.

 

[sofarsogood]

BTW - How Big of a Freezer do you have? Having Read your Posts over the Years, I Couldn't Imagine you would Skimp Out on a Freezer.

A 1 liter bottle of 100mg concentrate costs $50 and will last me 3+ years. Three bottles would take up the same space as two family size frozen entrees, cost $150 and last me 10 years. Then it's how many TC mods and Fasttech rda's would it take to go that distance? Stockpiling is NOT expensive. I'm more concerned about taxes than outright bans (I ain't payin no more damn smoking taxes). But taxing ecigs is problematic. A 1 liter, $50 bottle of nic takes the place of $9,000 worth of cigarettes. Am I going to need a refrigerated gun safe? Funny to think about.

 

[rhelton]

The flavoring companies are already being pressured to stop selling vape related products by their insurance companies.

There is not any difference between the two. The flavorings sold as ecig related are the same as food safe. Used to make candy, drinks etc.

 

[squee]

I'm not a big fan of Mech mods, much harder to control the vape for someone like me who likes low wattage vapes. I plan to stock up on Provari's though, they are without a doubt the toughest and longest-lasting variable wattage devices on the market.

That's why, in addition to the dozen regulated mods I have stashed, I also got about 10 mechanical mods - with a dozen kicks for them. they're good up to 15W, which is perfect for me