FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule
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Well there you have it in a nutshell folks. They don't need any common sense,good science nor,
any resemblance to fairly listen to you,me or any industry association.
They have the chillin' and, that's all they need. As any parent like me whom has children
and or grandchildren I am sure you can sympathize with me when I say,"those kids are going
to be the death of me yet.".
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Has anyone here heard that The grandfather date change passed the House Subcommittee yesterday? I saw it posted elsewhere but, have not been able to verify the information.
What a joke. Is this guy someone who actually got voted into his position of narrow mindedness? What a pitiful day to be an American - listening to (probably not the only) a privileged member of our our "government" high up on his white horse prescribe his idea of whats best for me / us. Attempting to Eliminate my / our choices to reduce harm to ourselves.
nothing so far about that on the site
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2058/text
Date All Actions
05/01/2015 Referred to the Subcommittee on Health.
Type of Action: Committee Consideration
Action By: House Energy and Commerce
04/28/2015 Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
Type of Action: Introduction and Referral
Action By: House of Representatives
04/28/2015 Sponsor introductory remarks on measure. (CR E596)
Type of Action: Introduction and Referral
Action By: House of Representatives
04/28/2015 Introduced in House
Type of Action: Introduction and Referral
Action By: House of Representatives
Thanks. I could not find any information on it either. I was waiting for the person that posted it to reply as to where he got the info from.
What I don't get is the whole "protect the kids" thing. Last I checked YOU HAVE TO BE 18! Over 4,000 high school kids die from underage drinking per year, last I checked beer is regulated. Kids will ALWAYS smoke, and always drink there is no solution to fix that. In Ohio buying ecigs for minor is treated the same as buying a pack of Marlboros. There is one solution; a total ban. 
If my representatives and senators are against vaping I'm instally not voting for them. That's what we need to tell these representatives, because asking them isn't working. I know Sherrod Brown, John Kasich, Marcy Kaptur are not getting my vote if they're anti vaping.
If my representatives and senators are against vaping I'm instally not voting for them. That's what we need to tell these representatives, because asking them isn't working. I know Sherrod Brown, John Kasich, Marcy Kaptur are not getting my vote if they're anti vaping. 
Lol. Ok.If you really want to know - on the whole, I'm quite pleased with it. Thanks for asking
Bug spray
"In 2008, the EPA received a request, from the registrant, to cancel the registration of the last nicotine pesticide registered in the United States.[91] This request was granted, and since 1 January 2014, this pesticide has not been available for sale.[92]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
Straight from the horses mouth, literally. He said the E-cigarette industry should be put OUT OF BUSINESS. Not controlled, or encouraged, but put out of business. That is pretty clear to me.
Where did you see it posted?
I found this on reddit:
Email from the guy's congressman (unnamed) yesterday:
"In a related matter, I am pleased to inform you that I supported the Agriculture and Related Agencies Appropriations Bill for fiscal year 2016. In addition to providing funding for agricultural, food, and food safety programs, this legislation also contains provisions similar to that of H.R. 2058. Specifically, this bill would make the new grandfather date for newly deemed tobacco products under its proposed rule date on which the rule takes effect. Therefore, newly deemed tobacco products, such as e-cigarettes, that were brought to market before the date on which the final rule is issued would not be required to submit a pre-market tobacco product application.[4] Instead, these products would be permitted to stay on the market so long as manufacturers comply with regulations such as health warning labels or minimum age of purchase restrictions."
https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...so_my_congressman_gave_some_interesting_info/
And yet, when state age restrictions went into place, the kiddies just went back to smoking. http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/af...tes_affect_adolescent_smoking_circulate_0.pdf
Too much for me to read. I'll take your word for it that the study comes to that conclusion. Thanks.
Excuse my ignorance, but why is that we are not able to see the proposal that OIRA is reviewing?
Why the redacted, second-hand documents? I thought this whole OIRA review process was supposed to be about "open government"?
Again, I'm not an expert in these matters, so I'm wide open to enlightenment....
Why the redacted, second-hand documents? I thought this whole OIRA review process was supposed to be about "open government"?
Again, I'm not an expert in these matters, so I'm wide open to enlightenment....
I think this gives a good summary of the results:
Wt = U(Xt, Et, Ct; St) + !s "s • µt+s (Et+s-1, Ct+s-1, µt+s-1) • U(Xt+s, Et+s, Ct+s)
But we also have to consider the implications of the following:
[!Ut/!Ct + !s "s Ut+s•(!µt+s /!Ct)] [!Ut/!Et + !s "s Ut+s•(!µt+s /!Et)] = !Ut/!X.
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