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Two Conflicting E-Cig Predictions
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Interesting.
Some recognition of the 'harm reduction' aspect but too much emphasis on the tobacco products aspect.
I understand that in the US, tobacco product is more favorable than medical device but tbh, ecigs are neither.There a new product, one that contains nicotine which causes the confusion.
On the plus side at this stage we see that all sides see a niche for ecigs, the fight seem to have moved on from gaining a hold to the size of that hold.
Some recognition of the 'harm reduction' aspect but too much emphasis on the tobacco products aspect.
I understand that in the US, tobacco product is more favorable than medical device but tbh, ecigs are neither.There a new product, one that contains nicotine which causes the confusion.
On the plus side at this stage we see that all sides see a niche for ecigs, the fight seem to have moved on from gaining a hold to the size of that hold.
Mr. Teller is obviously not a smoker nor has he apparently spoken to many e-cigarette users. He said, "I don't know how you know when you've smoked enough." Mr. Teller, you've VAPED enough (it's NOT smoking, sir) when you don't want to vape anymore.
People seem to be unable to comprehend that nicotine use/smoking is not the same as using intoxicants or opiates. Just as with stopping eating when you are too full or drinking water when you are no longer thirsty, you stop vaping when your body tells you to and that point is nearly always before getting anywhere near to a level of toxicity. It's the same thing as how many cigarettes one smokes. Smokers don't monitor their smoking based on the number left or weight of their pack - they smoke when the urge hits. That could mean 10 cigarettes a day or 40 cigarettes a day (and for a lot of smokers, it depends upon whether or not they are drinking alcohol, too!) Mr. Teller seems to be under the (very wrong) impression that smokers choose how many they will smoke per day and then stick to that.
If a vaper wants to keep track of how much they use, they monitor how many cartridges they use or how many milliliters of liquid used instead of "cigarettes smoked." It's not rocket science.
People seem to be unable to comprehend that nicotine use/smoking is not the same as using intoxicants or opiates. Just as with stopping eating when you are too full or drinking water when you are no longer thirsty, you stop vaping when your body tells you to and that point is nearly always before getting anywhere near to a level of toxicity. It's the same thing as how many cigarettes one smokes. Smokers don't monitor their smoking based on the number left or weight of their pack - they smoke when the urge hits. That could mean 10 cigarettes a day or 40 cigarettes a day (and for a lot of smokers, it depends upon whether or not they are drinking alcohol, too!) Mr. Teller seems to be under the (very wrong) impression that smokers choose how many they will smoke per day and then stick to that.
If a vaper wants to keep track of how much they use, they monitor how many cartridges they use or how many milliliters of liquid used instead of "cigarettes smoked." It's not rocket science.
Do you think that Joyetech might have forseen the 'usage' arguament when they invented the eVic with its puff counter and vape duration logger ?
Could be. The whole concept is just plain silliness. Smokers and vapers don't even think about it in terms of a "dose." That is pure nanny thinking that nicotine has to be regulated by a specific dose (or we'll hurt ourselves,) as it is required with NRT. Have they never heard of chain smoking?? I used to smoke a pack a day, but was down to about 1/2 that before I started vaping (not on purpose, just too lazy to go out to smoke.) However, if I went out drinking with my husband, I could smoke a full pack just during the few hours we were out. Somehow, even drunk, I'd manage not to "overdose" on nicotine, lol! The ANTZ have bought their own lies such as "nicotine is more addictive than h*roin" so much that they think nicotine even works in the same way - makes us incapable of self-moderation and we will overdose. I mean, they seriously think we tracked our cigarettes to make sure we were getting the "right dose??" How can they claim to know so much about smoking when they obviously know so little about smokers?
It shouldn't be surprising, since they do that even with the nutritional values required on food labels. I had to laugh the other day when I was giving my daughter some Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal and saw the info was based on a "serving size" of 3/4 of a cup. That's plenty for a 6 year old (I measured some out just to see how much it was,) but who measures out cereal?? I figured a typical bowl just poured from the box is at least 5 times that! Yet the nannies believe the nutritional labels actually "help" people.
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Right Kristin. And I love the nutrition labels on cans of soup, telling me the can contains 2-1/2 servings. I suppose they picture me putting the 1/2 serving away in a Tupperware container for later, while serving two people with the rest of the can.
That is pure nanny thinking that nicotine has to be regulated by a specific dose (or we'll hurt ourselves,) as it is required with NRT.
... I had to laugh the other day when I was giving my daughter some Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal and saw the info was based on a "serving size" of 3/4 of a cup. That's plenty for a 6 year old (I measured some out just to see how much it was,) but who measures out cereal?? I figured a typical bowl just poured from the box is at least 5 times that! Yet the nannies believe the nutritional labels actually "help" people.
The most frustratingly stupid thing is, that the nannies don't, or won't, recognise that NRT is Not a regulated dose.
Not - when they recommend it in a combination thereapy with inhalers, patches and lozenges,
Not - when they advocate using between 3 and 6, (15mg) inhalers a day (45mg to 90mg of nicotine @ 40% absorbtion).
Not - when the Inhaler instuctions says 'rapid short puffs' will yield more nicotine than long puffs.
Not - when they don't have a clue about an individuals absorbtion rate (without measuring cotinine levels)
It is an absolute joke - we need 'government' - not 'GOVERNMENT'
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Be careful with the Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal, the 'Obesity Police' may be watching.
This warning has been brought to you from a country that already has 'Plain Packaging' for cigarettes and is now considering 'Plain Packaging' for unhealthy foods. (Beige color I have heard)
Where is the "SCREAM" Emoticon !
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We have the opposite problem with her. Getting her to eat is a challenge so she needs all of the calories she can get. She is too skinny! Which is one reason why I send lunches from home. The new school lunch standards are a flop with her (and her sister.) How am I supposed to get a finicky eater, who also eats very slowly, to eat a school hot lunch that is a 1/2 plate of yucky canned carrots, a few grapes and a 4oz chunk of meatloaf in 25 minutes?? Both of my children were coming home from school asking for a snack because they were still hungry - even the older (also skinny) one who eats her lunch! So I keep yogurt, fresh fruit and granola bars around for after school snacks. Not all kids are obese and need to be on a low fat, low calorie diet!
i really believe that the "nannies" are always going to be looking for the negitive, and like it has already been said, a person should stop whenthey have had enough nicotine. The eVic seems to be nipping at this idea, also, if the idea is pressed, maybe vendors need to include a "dummy" warning that tells you the signs of nic. overdose, also, i foresee the bad media showing up when some dope has to go to the hostpital from dehydration, so maybe that is another leaflet that NEEDS to be included.
Kristin, I recall reading somewhere that by 2014, you will not be permitted to send lunch with your child. All children will be required to eat the school lunch, and the taxpayers will foot the bill.
I believe that you can thank Mrs. President for that.
I believe that you can thank Mrs. President for that.
But you can believe that it won't apply to her own children, or the children of any of our government officials. This is the group that decided there'd be a national health care system for us, but opted themselves out of it to to retain their own, much better system.
Disclaimer: comment below does not constitute a favorable/disfavorable position for the program, nor how effective/ineffective the implementation is, it does constitute a position of reading about it.
The program is about the lunches schools supply it has nothing to do with bringing lunch. The schools that are interfering with bringing lunch are doing that themselves.
Now that you read my previous post it must be true because it is on the internet 
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Now that you read my previous post it must be true because it is on the internet
LOL.
I love that Geico commercial. Normally we mute the TV when the commercials come on, but I unmute for that one.
About 8 years ago I tried the inhalers. Thought since they simulated smoking maybe I could quit. Insurance didn't cover the prescription and they were over $50 for a months supply which, oh by the way, lasted me a WEEK!! LOL Needless to say I didn't get the prescription refilled.
"Which means e-cig companies could actually benefit from regulation, provided they are preparing for possible future regulations today."
This could prove interesting, imo. I'm hesitant to believe regulation will help the companies, but I do kind of like the thought of having things be even healthier. I know I can't have it both ways though
This could prove interesting, imo. I'm hesitant to believe regulation will help the companies, but I do kind of like the thought of having things be even healthier. I know I can't have it both ways though
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