Ubertoot v2 Clone Full Package

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I fill it like a Taigun GT or eXpromizer. Unscrew the base and fill the tank with top cap attached up to the chimney, then screw the base back on.

OK sure. Same here. That works fine.

It's only when I try a top fill - leaving the base screwed on and instead unscrewing the top cap/chimney and pouring in juice downsides, up to the level of the top of the deck - that I get flooding. I think it must be some issue of pressure, putting in juice from the top causes a pressure that pushes past/aside the wick in a way that filling the normal way does not. I had assumed that top filling into an open tank like that would be no problem because the air can just escape out the top, but something must be different here. Maybe if I closed the AFC it would make a difference.

But it's not important, the top fill only allows about 1.5ml to be put in anyway. Not enough to be worth bothering trying to get it working better.
 

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Order some of these. I use them on all of my Kayfuns and they make quite a difference. Expensive for what you are getting but they work. $0.91 Replacement Screws for Kayfun V4 (5-Pack) 5-pack - size: 4.0*1.6mm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I decided not to order these just yet because of the stainless question, and also because they show a 5 day wait at the moment and I don't want to delay the FT order I'm placing for other stuff.

Instead I'm ordering a bunch of M1.6 x 4.0mm screws (and a few 5mm in case thicker head makes a difference.)

I hope those will therefore work just as well, and they're definitely stainless and I'm getting a variety of head types - cheese, countersunk and socket cap. Hopefully at least one will work and have a decent sized head for wire capturing :)

I also got some M1.6 washers. I thought maybe I could trap the wire under the washer under the screw, making it super easy to trap any wire. Don't know if it'll work but it's only $1.50 to try a pack of 12 SS316 washers. What I'd really like is those screws with a washer head, but they don't seem to make those in sizes this small.

I also bought a pack that has various M1, M1.2, M1.4 and a few more M1.6 screws. I'll add it to the various bags of screws I got from FT. I'm hoping that before too long I can build up a reserve of just about every screw size that any atomizer uses :)

Thanks again for the link!
 
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Ah thanks! Of course I should have thought of clones.

Only trouble is it seems they are not stainless? Judging by this FT discussion thread. Although that's odd because I have many bags of replacement FT screws (over several orders I have bought every pack of screws they sell in their general screws section) and they are all stainless. So that's bad if these aren't.

I do most of my cleaning in an ultrasonic cleaner so I really need stainless. I don't suppose you happen to have confirmed if yours are? There's only one post saying for sure he found his rust, so it could always be a mistake.
I have about 30 of these in use and never seen any rust on them. Can't confirm they are stainless though.
 
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Just ordered my second Ubertoot, this time from FT. I got the matte one: $35.03 Ubertoot UTA2 Styled RTA Rebuildable Tank Atomizer - 5ml / stainless steel + PC at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Interested to see how it compares to mine. @roxynoodle said it has no engraving, and another obvious difference is that it has the 2.5ml nano tank in a separate box, better matching the original's packaging. Hopefully the atomizer itself is identical (besides lack of engravings) to the one I have. Or rather, I hope it's identical in all respects except the wire-cutting post holes! :)

I won't get it for a couple of weeks as I have some "ships in 5 days" items in the same order.
 

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I've just completed a little mod on the UTA2 - or as my wires called it, "The UTA Slasher".

I'm very pleased with the result - it's turned it from one of my worst wire cutters to one of my best, most secure through-post atomizers. I also think the static resistance has been noticeably reduced, improving TC accuracy. I haven't yet measured a before and after resistance to be sure, but I will test this when I get my second UTA2 in a week or two.

Quick TLDR explanation and solution:
The problem is caused by the hollow posts with no 'floor' for the wire to sit on.

The general solution in most atomizers is to fill in that floor, which can be done by cutting small bits of wire (copper, silver, nickel) and packing the holes, or, where there is enough thread, threading a small section of screw down to the bottom to act as the floor.

The UTA2 however is fairly unusual in that the posts are held in by screws from the underneath. This blocks the latter method of fixing, but enables another: screw in the floor from the bottom.​

Below, the lurid details, in case anyone else should want to try this or a similar fix.

Apologies in advance for blurry photos, my camera can't do macro to save its life.

The Problem

The UTA2 has posts which are hollow all the way down, with the wire holes in the middle. When the wire goes in and the screw is fastened down, there is nothing underneath the wire to support it.

The screw thus presses the wire down, bending it in the middle into the gap below. This puts lots of pressure on the wire at the edges of the screw hole, causing it to break very easily. It is also not a particularly solid or low resistance connection.

This is a particular problem with Titanium, which is heavily annealed and therefore very soft and easily broken. I even had 22G Titanium cut off in the UTA2.​

The Solution

Give the wire a floor on which to rest its weary body!

UTA2's posts

The post holes are double-threaded M2.5. There is a section of thread at the top for the post screws, and then another section of reversed thread coming up from the bottom. This is for two further screws that screw in from the underside. In the case of the positive, this is the path to the 510 and the mod. For the negative, the screw secures the post in place as it's not welded, only press-fit. The negative screw also improves the negative connectivity to the base.

Here's the underside of the UTA2, visible once you unscrew the base cap (held in with 2 x Philips countersunk screws)



The two underside screws are M2.5. In the clones they are brass, but I have been told that these are stainless steel in the original.

The screws fit over/into a thin sheet of plastic insulator with three holes:


In this insulator:​
  1. Large hole, top right: for the negative screw
    1. Slightly larger than the screw head, such that the negative screw goes through the insulator directly touching the underside of the base.
  2. Smallest hole, top left: for the positive
    1. Has a flattened section in the middle of the hole, possibly not visible in this poor photo.
    2. The positive screw attaches through this hole such that the screw head presses against the insulator and does not conduct with the base.
    3. The thickness of the insulator also ensures that the positive sticks out a bit higher than the negative, pressing against the brass positive ring/510 pin.
  3. Third hole, bottom: for the airhole

Fix Implementation:

Building a Floor

My plan was to put in longer brass M2.5 screws in the underside, that would screw in far enough so that their end would be a floor for the wire. I purchased a packet of M2.5 x 12mm brass screws, double the length of the original underside screws.

The first issue I encountered is that the thread for the underside does not go up nearly high enough - the posts are threaded such that the post screws are able to screw down well below the floor of the wire holes, so the underside cannot reach the floor from below.

To fix this, I ground down the end of the M2.5 screws such that they were no longer threaded for roughly the last 6mm. They became in effect 6mm brass tubes attached to the end of 6mm M2.5 brass screws:



I did this with a Dremel metal grinding attachment, holding each screw in a clamp and running the Dremel end against one edge of the screw thread, then rotating it 90° and repeating.

Once this was done I was able to screw the new screws in fully. They were a little too long, coming up to the roof of the screw holes, so I then used a hacksaw to cut about 1mm off the end until they came to just above the bottom of the screw hole. On one I also needed to grind down the end a little more, as a result of not hacking off quite enough.

I wanted the floor just above the base of the screw hole so that the wire wouldn't touch the outside edge of the post hole. I figured this would be most reliable, avoiding any potentially sharp edges.
Fitting the Floor

The next issue I had was with my choice of replacement screws. Unfortunately I couldn't get quite the right heads. I could only get "cheese head" screws, which have a larger diameter head. Had I found screws with heads matching the originals, the rest of this section might have been avoided . However I am not sure what the right head type is called, or even whether it would be available in M2.5 x 12mm; I found that 12mm is already relatively unusual for brass M2.5s, at least on eBay, and I seem to recall only cheese head was available in that size. There are probably more head types available for stainless screws, but I prefer brass because of the much lower resistance for maximally accurate TC.

As my screw heads were too large, they would touch and short when both positive and negative underside screws were in place.

I fixed this by heavily Dremeling and filing down the head of the negative screw, and also a small amount on the positive:



The next, related problem was that even after I cut down the heads, the negative still didn't quite fit through the insulator. The solution to this was as simple as it was crude:



With all that done, the replacement screws were able to screw into the underside with the negative touching the base, the positive not touching the base, the positive pressing firmly against the 510 pin, and with a small but definite gap between them:


The Result

I now had the two original brass underside screws left over, so I decided to re-purpose them as my new post screws. I much prefer these to the tiny grub screws that the clone comes with, and this also had the benefit that the brass screws had a perfectly flat bottom where the grub screws have a little indent.

I made one small alteration to the new post screws: using my hacksaw, I cut a deeper central slot to make it easier to turn them, and enabling use of larger screwdrivers to do so.

Here, the final result - in which you can hopefully just see the brass floor. Also, a 24G Titanium coil that went in first time and extremely securely:


Note on rotating negative post

My negative post is now completely loose, held in only by the underside screw. I had to hold it very tightly with pliers while tightening the new underside screw, and while attaching the coil and trying to tighten the screw very hard I found the post still had a tendency to want to turn. In the event I still got the wire tightened in place securely, without needing to use pliers to hold the post, but there is now a risk of this.

I am not quite sure whether the negative post was originally secured in any way or if it was just a press fit plus the underside screw. I know that the first couple of times I removed and replaced the original underside screws, the negative post stayed in place. But some time after it started moving when I touched the underside screw, and became completely loose shortly after that.

It's not a huge deal that it moves, but if anyone does this mod for themselves they might want to take care with the negative post when removing and replacing the underside screws. If you can do this quickly and cleanly without the negative moving, life will be easier thereafter.

In my case I am thinking of maybe adding a tiny blob of solder to the head of the negative underside screw head to lock it in place, which hopefully will also lock the post in place. But it's not a big deal, once the underside screw is in as tight as possible the post only moves if you really crank hard on the post screw - which is no longer necessary for a tight wire connection.​
 
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Hello!

I tryed to google it but i cant find, so anybody can tell me what is the difference between UTA1 / UTA2.
And i also want to ask about the diameter of the airhole wich is directly under the coil.

Thank you, and sorry for my bad english.

As far as I know the initial 100 were the V1 after that the V2 was released with some minor differences:
1) No logo on the internal juice control.
2) Both terminals now screwed in from the bottom (on the V1 it's only the + post)
3) I think that the juice control was moved slightly on the V2.

This only applies to the originals not the clones from Fasttech.
I think that's all but I'm sure if I'm wrong someone else will be along soon.

Russ
 
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Hello!

I tryed to google it but i cant find, so anybody can tell me what is the difference between UTA1 / UTA2.
And i also want to ask about the diameter of the airhole wich is directly under the coil.

Thank you, and sorry for my bad english.

If we are talking about the clones:

Neither of mine have logo.

The v2 is better machined.

The v1 has more airflow.

I can't measure the airholes until I rebuild them.
 
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And another question.
How great are the Ubertoot, in TC mode?
Is this make a lot of resistance jumping?
I know the vapor giant mini is a super atomizer, but they made it positive / negative polus by screws so its only working with TC when its totally clear. And the UTA looks pretty similar for me, maybe i dont have right.

Hope my question is understandable sorry again for my bad english, and thank you the help :)
 

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And another question.
How great are the Ubertoot, in TC mode?
Is this make a lot of resistance jumping?
I know the vapor giant mini is a super atomizer, but they made it positive / negative polus by screws so its only working with TC when its totally clear. And the UTA looks pretty similar for me, maybe i dont have right.

Hope my question is understandable sorry again for my bad english, and thank you the help :)

I am using my UTA2 clone exclusively in TC mode, with Titanium wire, and it is has been fine.

The big problem with this clone is the razor-posts that chop off wire easily, especially Titanium ,but I posted a fix for that on this page of the thread.

Once I got TC wires attached OK, they held their resistance fine.

I have mostly been using 24G Titanium builds in the UTA2.
 
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Oh cool. I already got my UTA2 clone (dont know wich manufacture)
And im using it with a vaporshark 60w clone from SXK.

I decided to use SS316 kanthal, and i set the nickel purity to 10. The perfect would be 9, but in this device the 10 is the smallest nickel purity option.

So i made a dry cotton test, and the first cotton browning start at 205C, (but very small) and in 210C i can see this made a cotton browning, so itt looks like its ok.

But after than i put the tank and the juicy and i start vaping, the temperature wont go up more than 130C. I have made an 1,2Ohm SS316 microcoil (the same what was in the dry cotton test) and for the SXK device is really dont matter how wattage im using its always decide to say my coil is above 130-135C even if i choose 8W or 60W, its just dont want to move up more than 135C. So there is some problem with the UTA because when i did the same coil to my steamengine taifun, this works perfect. With the taifun the dry cotton test start making the cotton browning at 250C, and usually when i vaping i reach 230-240-250C so my problem is coming from the UTA device.

So for me the TC option dont really work with this fantastic UTA2 device, i hope i can find some solution. But if i dont find that wont be a big problem because for me TC is all about to avoid cotton burning. But with this UTA2 its trouly impossipble. :) As Todd says: "this is a wicking monster" :D
 

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OK @misibacsi, a few thoughts:

Stainless Steel on the SXK is not the most accurate TC available, but it should work OK as long as there as little as possible 'static resistance'. Static resistance is when the atomizer adds some extra resistance of its own. A key sign of that is that the mod shows it not reaching the target temperature you have set.

The fact that it worked for the dry cotton test but then not with juice in seems to show it can work in general, just something changed when you put the tank together. Maybe the coil got a bit looser, maybe re-wicking it moved the coil a bit. Could be a few things.

Here's a general checklist to go through:
  1. First, you could simply check the coil is fully tightened in the posts, screwed down as tight as possible
    1. Or if you already removed that coil, make another coil and make sure it is attached as tight as possible
  2. I have found Stainless Steel microcoils to be occasionally unreliable with TC - they need to oxidise properly to prevent shorting which affects the temperature calculation
    1. Remove the wick, put the mod into VW mode (on the SXK, turn temp to OFF), and dry burn it at 20-30W until it is glowing orange
    2. Make sure it is glowing from the inside out, nice and even
    3. If it is not, then adjust it slightly - poke/prod it, wiggle it - until it is
    4. Exactly like you (probably) used to do with normal, non-TC Kanthal microcoils
    5. Then try it in TC mode again - don't bother putting the wick in, just dry burn it in TC mode, and check if the temperature rises as expected
  3. If that doesn't work, next check the UTA2
    1. Unscrew the base (two Philips screws)
    2. In the underside, you will see two brass screws - example photo shown below
    3. Check these are very tight. Hold each atomizer post with pliers while you tighten them, to check it does not rotate.
    4. Also clean the heads, and the brass plate in the cap which presses against them
    5. Now screw the base cap back on, making sure you tighten it as much as possible
    6. Check your post screws, check they are clean - wash them with alcohol if you have it, if not use warm water and dry them thoroughly
    7. Now also clean the 510 connection of the UTA2, again with alcohol if possible - clean round the stainless threads and thoroughly clean the brass positive pin
  4. Worst case, if none of this fixes it
    1. Simply set your SXK to 140°C (or whatever maximum value you see it going to on-screen) which will give you the same vape but also should prevent dry hits when you're low on juice - you can test this with the dry cotton test.


Let me know how it goes. For more discussion on the SXK chip and Stainless Steel TC vaping, check out my thread: TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance


UTA2 underside, brass screws to posts that should be tight as possible and cleaned:


 
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O ring measurement

Tanks: 16mm x 1mm

Chamber rings: 13mm x 1mm

Chimney: 9mm x 1mm

Drip tip supplied: 6mm x 1.5mm
Tight fit: 5.5mm x2mm

Chamber cap: 3mm x 1mm

** Base: 17.5mm x 1mm

** may be same size as tank o rings. Measurement made on previously installed Oring, all other measurements made from spares kit
 
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I got the FT clone of this device for $34 with the clear tank the build quality was amazing for a clone the Negative post on mine was a little weird I can endlessly screw in the brass? screw at first i thought id managed to strip the threads but no they looked fine so i think the internal threading is just terrible allowing it to skip back. The Vape experience was great but i'm still not thrilled considering the hype.... for me its like a Kf4 with slightly just slightly better flavor but the juice consumption is almost double at least for me with minimal impact on cloud production...where does all that juice go lol (it does however have vastly better Air flow options)

I bought this primarily with TC in mind my Taifuns GT2 clones have all gone to hell and taste like burning rubber now (pretty sure juice is now getting into the base's causing shorts across the rubber orings) so I thought this would be a good replacement hopefully mine works better than the above, yet to give TC a go.
 

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I got mine a couple of days ago and to be honest am also finding it a little disappointing, I was expecting a lot more flavour and the vape even with the airflow control mostly closed still seems very airy in comparison to my regular tanks the Taifun GT2S and the Squape RS.

I think it could benefit from the little plastic pipe that comes with the Taifun which you can plug into the airflow just below the coil but I only have the one and don't want to knacker it.
 

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I got my UTA V2 FT clone yesterday. Impressed with what all comes with the package. Not impressed my UTA so far I got the clear version that I believe was $34.23. The brass 510 pin is way to short. In the spares I got the SS pin to replace. When I screwed it in it wouldn't tighten all the way & was a little wobbly in the housing. I ended up putting the smallest o-ring in the kit over the 510 and now it seems to work fine. I have only wicked once but so far I am not impressed by the flavor at all. Going to rewick with different cotton & see if that makes any difference. I am more impressed by the stands that come with it! Lol! Which stainless stands run around $15 each so I guess I got my monies worth at least.
 

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My brass 510 connector sits almost flush with the bottom of the 510 however i've had no problems with it did you give it a go?? Obviously it would be problematic in a mech but in all my VW devices it works fine no shorts or issues...... shame that the spare does not work

i'm still using my UTA v2 FT clone every day now as an alternate vape pretty happy with it these days but dont feel the need to get another however....... I personally don't mind the slightly more open vaping experience nice middle ground between MTL and DLI tanks at least for me
 
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