Ugh I am so confused about mixing bases

[Bageone]

Ok lemme see if I understand this correctly.

Glycerin.. thick needs to be thinned to 80/20 or 70/30.. Is this then called the glycerin to be used when making a PG/VG base? In other words do I mix (thin) the glycerine first then mix it again with the pg to make a base? Or is it mixed thick with the pg?

Bangs head on keyboard!

 

[Hoosier]

Ok lemme see if I understand this correctly.

Glycerin.. thick needs to be thinned to 80/20 or 70/30.. Is this then called the glycerin to be used when making a PG/VG base? In other words do I mix (thin) the glycerine first then mix it again with the pg to make a base? Or is it mixed thick with the pg?

Bangs head on keyboard!

Um, maybe? VG is thick. PG is thin. Unless you are making a very heavy VG base, then there is little reason to thin the mix. I go up to 70/30 PG/VG without thinning. If I go over that, then I would thin, but it takes only a few percent of distilled water or PGA to thin the juice down so it flows out of a dripper well.

Since I do not mix over 30%VG except in rare circumstances, I do not have an expert handle on thinning. I just thin until it seems right.

 

[Bageone]

Thank you! I think I understand it now...

 

[MaxUT]

If you want to thin the VG down to PG consistency, mix 4 parts VG with 1 part water. I premix it to these proportions and keep a bottle on hand.

If you add a lot of an alcohol or water based flavoring (Faerie's Finest, maybe?), you might not need to thin the VG much or at all.

 

[7thCabal]

You can mix both straight & just let the added flavoring(s) lend to the viscosity of the end product. Its how I do mine-- no probs whatsoever.

The only prob I could see arising from thick juice would be from the filler material in your cart-- if you use one.

 

[MacDiver]

I too am a little confused as what to cut with. Lets say I have 60mg of PG based 100mg nic and I want to cut that to 36. What is the best to use to cut that amount, water, PGA or something else?

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Here is a good calculator that stays on line
eJuice Recipe Calculator

I hate math..... ha. I always use the calculator. ScubaDan has a good one, but you need to download it and have Excel to run it. FilesAnywhere - FileShare Detail View

EDIT - And, you'll want to cut the nic liquid with either VG or PG I'd think. Better to do the mix on the calculator with your flavoring percentage and take in account VG and some water or PGA to thin the VG if you use that.

 

[MacDiver]

I use Dan's calculator exclusively and I've entered the info there and have the amounts it would make, ect.

It's that I don't know exactly what to use to cut that much nic at that strength with. If I cut it with VG I don't know how that would affect the calc's calculations. That and I don't know how to compensate for it in the calc.

In section 3 of Dan's calc it has Amount of PG/VG needed so it looks like he uses those two to cut with.

 

[Hoosier]

I use Dan's calculator exclusively and I've entered the info there and have the amounts it would make, ect.

It's that I don't know exactly what to use to cut that much nic at that strength with. If I cut it with VG I don't know how that would affect the calc's calculations. That and I don't know how to compensate for it in the calc.

In section 3 of Dan's calc it has Amount of PG/VG needed so it looks like he uses those two to cut with.

You can cut with either. If you cut with both, just make sure the total quantity is the same. So if it says to add Z PG/VG you can cut with Z PG or Z VG or X VG + Y PG as long as X+Y=Z.

 

[MacDiver]

What do you guys use in that case and how would using say VG affect the calc numbers? I use a PG based nic right now and so far as it's easy to use. I haven't tried VG nic but I have 30ml 50mg of it to cut. That's why I'm asking and looking for whether it will change the numbers I put in the calc.

 

[Switched]

Instead of asking a general in the air question, what are you trying to achieve. What ratio of VG to PG do you want and the final mg of nic? Then we can point you in the right direction. On top of the worksheet there is a selection for either a PG or VG base.

 

[7thCabal]

Man I love that calculator of his... but the good/bad thing about it, is that there is a ton of info on it.

I got the 11th version of it, but I just use section 4 to do the basic calculations on proposed samples/ratios/cuts & so on. Just a lot easier IMO.