If vaping is the worst thing that generation of minors is into, I'm not terribly worried about them.We, meaning all of us contributed to the delinquency of a generation of minors.
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If vaping is the worst thing that generation of minors is into, I'm not terribly worried about them.We, meaning all of us contributed to the delinquency of a generation of minors.
The industry marketed vaping toward minors with their juice box look a likes etc etc. What amazes me is the shock everyone seemed to display when the fda cracked down on it. Too little too late. The "adult" vapors should have self governed that crap before it got outta hand.
Of course kids are coming to you for vaping paraphernalia. We, meaning all of us contributed to the delinquency of a generation of minors.
Speak for yourself.We, meaning all of us contributed to the delinquency of a generation of minors.
It will not. To start with, plain packaging won't deter under-age vaping. Let's get real here, the "children" don't buy vape-stuff based on fanciful packaging or branding. Look at the product the ANTZ currently rant about the most in the US, the Juul. It comes in some of the most plain packaging of any vape product.But if putting them in plain wrappers, for instance, would be a compromise that would make authorities just leave us alone to do our thing - to get the 'moral guardians' off our backs - I'd be all for it.
Bans don't work. See Prohibition or the War on (some) Drugs. A ban will just create an informal (underground/black) market, and all the problems associated with such a market.shouldn't we focus on banning cigarettes as the greater of 2 evils first since it's actually proven definitively to be a killer whereas vaping is at worst a grey area?
I'm coming up on five years here and don't recall anyone claiming that vaping is "safe", only that it's safer than smoking, by at least one, and possibly several orders of magnitude.Vaping has not been deemed safe by the government. Some at ECF have deemed it safe.
I'm coming up on five years here and don't recall anyone claiming that vaping is "safe"
We won't know that for sure until another 60 years have passed. I mean..."flavors"? That alone probably has a million+ chemical combinations.if we're talking about vaping a 0 nic. flavored e-liquid, ain't it pretty much safe for you? (if we'll forget about the fake "popcorn lung" theory)
Fair enough, and frankly that's why I'm vaping...positive thoughts! Preliminary good results!why waiting 60 years tho?
med labs are capable to predict the long term harm of usage making different tests. Bad thing is that some of them might be sponsored by big tobacco companies and you can guess the reasons for it. Actually, reading the news, I thing there are some of these live already.
Agree.....I'm opposed to underage drinking, underage smoking, underage drug experimentation, and underage vaping. I'm fine with rational and effective methods of reducing all of them. I know I can't eliminate them, but that doesn't mean reasonable attempts shouldn't be made.
And we need to hold adults accountable if discovered supplying those to minors. There need to be consequences for adults who allow alcohol to be consumed to the point of landing a kid in the hospital or worse, or allowing them to head on out and drive. Hell, we already do that to adults whose actions lead to harmful consequences by other adults, it should be even more serious with minors.
That said, I'm not suggesting a 40 year sentence for the Juul dealer in high school. As I said, rational attempts that are evaluated for effectiveness and dropped or altered if not achieving the stated goal are appropriate. That doesn't mean Prohibition or senseless criminal prosecutions. But we can't just shrug and say if we can't stop it altogether why bother.
Agree.Vaping became cool for some reason (I can't figure out why) and the craze started. I don't buy that flavorings and marketing are to entice kids..
Agree.
Although "cloud volume" is a factor for many...as in quit smoking help...it isn't for others. And "cloud contests" are...people being people I guess. I was never very impressed by that aspect of vaping either. It takes a lot more knowledge to not over-watt the juice and produce "nasties" too.
I'm betting that those cloud chasers have inherently higher risks...either from not knowing how to makes sure the coil doesn't overheat the juice or just due to the larger volume of "stuff" inhaled.
People will be people.
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There is a very fine line between nannying adults and enforcement of underage use. Used to be easier many years ago when it was harder for kids to get away with unwanted behavior. Today most parents work outside the home, most teacher's classrooms have too many kids, most towns police force are understaffed, etc. On top of all that is the horrible trend of rewarding kids for bad behavior or not putting forward their best efforts. These screens most of us spend too much time on takes away the time we spend in real life interacting with our communities. It is simply easier for kids and the adults who enable them to get away with anything.