Underage vaping (warning - rant)

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AXIOM_1

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    Maybe if they have a blind doorman :lol:, I MIGHT get carded. Of course, if it’s just pubs, I’m happy to jump on a plane and come back to England. Too many fuzzy, fond memories of Oxford’s pubs and wine bars. And, the UK is vaping friendly! Sad when travel choices are made by legalities

    LOL ….. aww you probably look younger than you may imagine ….
     

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    LOL ….. aww you probably look younger than you may imagine ….
    Let’s just say, no one is likely to mistake me for an underaged vapor! I secretly get a kick out of being carded at a vape shop, even though I know they check the ID of everyone that comes in. Keeps them legal, and stops people from getting huffy for thinking they were singled out. I’d wager convenience stores aren’t so careful.
     

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    Let’s just say, no one is likely to mistake me for an underaged vapor! I secretly get a kick out of being carded at a vape shop, even though I know they check the ID of everyone that comes in.

    Yeah I agree... I am 53 and assume I easily look to be over 21... I was in a new to me vape shop a few weeks ago picking up a few things and I got carded! Good for them! Do it to everyone that way it's a routine practice....
     

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    Yeah I agree... I am 53 and assume I easily look to be over 21... I was in a new to me vape shop a few weeks ago picking up a few things and I got carded! Good for them! Do it to everyone that way it's a routine practice....
    The more shops that do, the less the “save the children” crowd has to complain about. How many states smoking over 21 only?
     

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    To answer my own question :blush:...
    Oregon has become the fifth state to raise the legal age to buy cigarettes to 21. Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, signed the bill into law early this month. It bars the sale of tobacco products to people younger than 21, effective Jan. 1, 2018. Hawaii and California were the first two states to pass such a law.”
    Why don’t they make that mandatory nationwide ? Plenty 18 yo high school seniors
     
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    if we're talking about vaping a 0 nic. flavored e-liquid, ain't it pretty much safe for you? (if we'll forget about the fake "popcorn lung" theory)
    It cannot be good for you. I think there is many, however , that think on the same lines and it's not good imo to think this way. yes, I totally believe and it's been studied that vaping is much safer then cigs, but to think that nic is the only bad thing is nuts....I often wonder why in smoking it's just plain bad, no matter the nic content, but in vaping, only the nic is bad and it doesn't matter how much you vape....bringing in vapor into your lungs, nic or not cannot be good for our lungs, far better then smoke, but still not good.

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    It cannot be good for you. I think there is many, however , that think on the same lines and it's not good imo to think this way. yes, I totally believe and it's been studied that vaping is much safer then cigs, but to think that nic is the only bad thing is nuts....I often wonder why in smoking it's just plain bad, no matter the nic content, but in vaping, only the nic is bad and it doesn't matter how much you vape....bringing in vapor into your lungs, nic or not cannot be good for our lungs, far better then smoke, but still not good.

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    Id be more concerned with the flavors than the pg/vg/nicotine. Propylene glycol has been used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950’s, HOWEVER ... those are used in time spaced dosages, not all day long, nor as often as a vape is used. The flavors were mostly originally developed for baking/ candy making, candles and soaps. Certainly, the vape diy industry has worked hard to weed out the most dangerous flavors and oils... but there is little to tell us what daily, frequent inhalation of flavors will mean down the road to our health. Current research says I’m hedging my bets by vaping over smoking. I smoked for over 35 years. I did a lot of damage with those stinkies. If I were 25 , I’d use vaping as a smoking cessation device, then quit.
     

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    It cannot be good for you. I think there is many, however , that think on the same lines and it's not good imo to think this way. yes, I totally believe and it's been studied that vaping is much safer then cigs, but to think that nic is the only bad thing is nuts....I often wonder why in smoking it's just plain bad, no matter the nic content, but in vaping, only the nic is bad and it doesn't matter how much you vape....bringing in vapor into your lungs, nic or not cannot be good for our lungs, far better then smoke, but still not good.

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    Ditto.... Brother you hit the nail right on the head for sure … I don't know how many times I have went round and round with people in this forum about the dangers of doing stuff that is not natural (ie. breathing in foreign substances in mass quantities) …. I have actually had people on here say "who says it's not natural to vape".... LOL …. That is about the dumbest statement that anyone has ever told me but I have heard it from several members here.... It's called COMMON SENSE..... common sense is all it takes to know that the body is designed to breath in the natural atmosphere and not some man made substance that is not natural....

    No, I am not a vaping hater or I wouldn't belong to this forum..... Personally, I love to vape.... The simple fact is that it is harm REDUCTION compared to smoking tobacco but in no way am I foolish enough to think that it is totally harmless.
     

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    The main reason kids want to vape is because they see the anti vaping commercials on tv. Kids laugh at that stuff and think it's cool to do it since the commercials tell them too.

    yeah kind of similar to when some of us started smoking when we were young kids (like me) …. Yeah, I can remember when I started smoking at age 9, that I though it was "cool" …. 40 years later I found out it wasn't so cool.... At age 9, I had no maturity, common sense, or wisdom, and my brain wasn't even developed yet (or the rest of my body)… Young kids try to mimic what adults do, simple as that.
     

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    bringing in vapor into your lungs, nic or not cannot be good for our lungs, far better then smoke, but still not good

    can you prove it with some reliable med. research results? I agree only to the point that everything that's too much is not good for you.

    I started smoking at age 9, that I though it was "cool" …. 40 years later I found out it wasn't so cool

    that took you quite a bit of time )
     

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    Ditto.... Brother you hit the nail right on the head for sure … I don't know how many times I have went round and round with people in this forum about the dangers of doing stuff that is not natural (ie. breathing in foreign substances in mass quantities) …. I have actually had people on here say "who says it's not natural to vape".... LOL …. That is about the dumbest statement that anyone has ever told me but I have heard it from several members here.... It's called COMMON SENSE..... common sense is all it takes to know that the body is designed to breath in the natural atmosphere and not some man made substance that is not natural....

    No, I am not a vaping hater or I wouldn't belong to this forum..... Personally, I love to vape.... The simple fact is that it is harm REDUCTION compared to smoking tobacco but in no way am I foolish enough to think that it is totally harmless.

    I totally agree. Vaping is all about harm reduction in my opinion, it's not going to improve your health unless you're already a smoker. How bad it is compared to smoke in the long run is something no one can actually tell right now and it's likely to be complicated to find out with so many variables (vape styles, different nicotine strengths, flavourings, degree of useage etc).

    But... let's face it a lot of us probably live in cities surrounded by pollution (well, I do anyway) - I'm not sure if it's worse inhaling that stuff compared to vape clouds or not, but I think you probably only get to breathe completely natural air as nature intended if you live in the countryside away from main roads etc. Or wear those white mask things people have I see on my daily commute, although I don't know how effective they are really. Vaping's still maybe worse because you're taking concentrated hits directly into your lungs as opposed to passively inhaling exhaust fumes etc (although who knows, not enough evidence etc), but you know what I mean. They don't call London 'the big smoke' for nothing!
     

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    To answer my own question :blush:...
    Oregon has become the fifth state to raise the legal age to buy cigarettes to 21. Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, signed the bill into law early this month. It bars the sale of tobacco products to people younger than 21, effective Jan. 1, 2018. Hawaii and California were the first two states to pass such a law.”
    Why don’t they make that mandatory nationwide ? Plenty 18 yo high school seniors


    Wise enough to vote but too immature to make their own choices or buy a beer, I give up.
     

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    can you prove it with some reliable med. research results? I agree only to the point that everything that's too much is not good for you.



    that took you quite a bit of time )
    If you drink 10 cans of caffeine free soda, it's still basically the same as drinking 10 cans of soda. Reducing one little ingredient doesn't change the fact that your swallowing a bunch of stuff that's probably not good for you...personally I think it's silly that some would think that by vaping zero or very low nic, magically makes all that vapor going into our lungs, all of a sudden, safe.....that to me just doesn't make sense. No, I have no medical facts and this is only an opinion, but personally think it's a common sense opinion

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    Ditto.... Brother you hit the nail right on the head for sure … I don't know how many times I have went round and round with people in this forum about the dangers of doing stuff that is not natural (ie. breathing in foreign substances in mass quantities) …. I have actually had people on here say "who says it's not natural to vape".... LOL …. That is about the dumbest statement that anyone has ever told me but I have heard it from several members here.... It's called COMMON SENSE..... common sense is all it takes to know that the body is designed to breath in the natural atmosphere and not some man made substance that is not natural....

    No, I am not a vaping hater or I wouldn't belong to this forum..... Personally, I love to vape.... The simple fact is that it is harm REDUCTION compared to smoking tobacco but in no way am I foolish enough to think that it is totally harmless.
    I also love vaping and in the 7 years it has increased my health and am very grateful, but I still know I'm doing something I shouldn't. I think there is a false sense about it and if everyone realized it, they wouldn't be abusing it as much. When I see people making videos of massive clouds and being proud of it, or proud to be chaining, it must be they have fallen into this false sense and it makes it even more unhealthy.

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    I still know I'm doing something I shouldn't
    ain't it a bit strange that you don't have any real proofs that it's wrong but still think it's wrong ... and you are still doing it?
    It reminds me a bit of the lifestyle of a catholic dude who is not sure if God exists but he knows what he shouldn't do (the sins) but he is still doing them like every day.
     

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    ain't it a bit strange that you don't have any real proofs that it's wrong but still think it's wrong ... and you are still doing it?
    It reminds me a bit of the lifestyle of a catholic dude who is not sure if God exists but he knows what he shouldn't do (the sins) but he is still doing them like every day.
    Can you provide proof vaping is harmless?
     
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