im really bummed out. i went to the dr today and he asked me how long i had been vaping. i told him proudly 2 months. he looked at me in horror and said 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why didnt u just do the patch. ud be done by now and nicotine/tobacco free. is this the way it goes with drs? or was this just a really bad experience. i didnt even know what to say to him. i havent had a real cig in 1 1/2 months. i smoked 2 packs a day for 25 yrs. i thought hed be just a little supportive and he just thought i was nuts. has anyone else experienced any of this. what did u say. how do u handle drs. i was just at a loss for words.....
unsupportive dr.... sigh
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Many doctors are very supportive of vaping, some even suggest it to their patients. I have a new label for doctors like yours: "FDA .....".
As for what to tell my doctor: print out the ECF flyer and give it to them and then tell them that e-cigs have about an 80% PERMANENT cessation rate while "the patch" hovers near about 10%.
As for what to tell my doctor: print out the ECF flyer and give it to them and then tell them that e-cigs have about an 80% PERMANENT cessation rate while "the patch" hovers near about 10%.
His professionalism leds me to think he got his diploma from ebay.
Any chance of changing to a real physician? Remember, Y O U are the consumer, the patient, the one paying for this service. No service, no pay.
Do NOT be imtimidated by knuckle draggers. I would have looked at HIM in horror and told him a thing or two about his "patch".
Good luck. Go get'em.
Any chance of changing to a real physician? Remember, Y O U are the consumer, the patient, the one paying for this service. No service, no pay.
Do NOT be imtimidated by knuckle draggers. I would have looked at HIM in horror and told him a thing or two about his "patch".Good luck. Go get'em.
you are awesome rosa. where do i get that flyer. im telling u.... i was so depressed when i left there. i have been fighting so hard. i have been staying strong and i am so proud of myself. then i get this response and it really laid me out flat. i was like a stammering child and i didnt know what to say to him. i will see him again next week..... and i would so like to take that with me.
I agree. Find another doc. He sounds like the kind of person that only supports what big pharma pays him to support.
Also, grab some info from the CASAA website and throw it back at him next visit.
From my EVO to your eyeballs!
Also, grab some info from the CASAA website and throw it back at him next visit.
From my EVO to your eyeballs!
Here: I found the OFFICIAL print ready version of info to bring to your doctor:
http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA Medical infograph(4).pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA Medical infograph(4).pdf
lol rosco. ive been so sick and so tired it was all i could do to drag myself in there today. havent been out in 4 days. proud of myself for even getting there. didnt need it. wasnt ready for it... and i guess he just blind sided me. of course zombie ppl dont respond quickly or well anyway. so i licked my wounds and quietly left. however its been buggin me all day long. i need to be prepared for next week.... sound the bell ... it will be round 2. hehe
I'm keeping that stored on my phone for the next time someone gives me crap for "smoking" in a public place.
From my EVO to your eyeballs!
Anyone who used the patch and was nicotine/tobacco free in two months didn't need the damn patch in the first place. IF your health care plan will allow it, run - don't walk away from this clown. BTW, congrats for 2 months!
Here give him homework..
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/Study_TSNAs_in_NJOY_Vapor.pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/Exponent Response-to-the-FDA-Summary.pdf
e-cigarettes reduce cancer risk
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pdf/bullen-laugesen-ruyan.ecig-2010.pdf
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
That last one especially as it's basically an evaluation of like 30 plus studies.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/Study_TSNAs_in_NJOY_Vapor.pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/Exponent Response-to-the-FDA-Summary.pdf
e-cigarettes reduce cancer risk
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pdf/bullen-laugesen-ruyan.ecig-2010.pdf
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
That last one especially as it's basically an evaluation of like 30 plus studies.
so rosa is there anywhere that i can get something in print that shows the cessation rates of 1 vs the other? u are such a walking library. can u see me bwoing to the info princess. lol
Well, at least you know more about your doctor now, then you did before. Itmis very hard to find a good doctor. I moved to the beach from the Atlanta area, and I had found a fabolous doctor there who was a vegetarian as well (I was at the time, and had been for 20 years) most doctors would look at you and tell you immediately that you are going to die if you don't eat meat, and it took me two years to find a good doctor here at the beach. I've sat in his office talking to him for up to 45 mi utes before, that's a good doc. Good luck in your search for a new one. I surely would hunt for one after something like that. I told my doctor about minemwhen I was there for a visit for my wife, was going to show him the vapor, but my battery died right when I pushed the button! He laughed about it, he thought it would do wonders with the mental addiction of cigarettes, he was pretty excited about it. My next visit with him I'm going to explain it all to him, and suggest he either tell his patients that have as hard a time quitting as me, or to let him know that they can call me. I would love to help out as many people as I could. Sorry to hear about your visit though.
thank u muchly untamedrose. this is super helpful. i need to make him a folder lol and leave it on his desk.... between what u and rose are giving me he will have homework to do hehe
thank u cowfodder. thats about the way im feeling right now....lol all of this info will be helpful.
thank u base. unfortunately my med insurance stinks. so goes it when u are over 50 , are self employed, self insured and have fibro. hard to get insurance at all and the rates are ugly. up until now ive been comfortable with this guy. i think some of it has to do with the age of the doc and set in his ways kind of stuff. no excuse. just is the way it appears. but hey maybe he will read if i give him some good stuff to get him started and who knows he may be a changed man after that experience. i look at it as an opportunity to open his eyes and indirectly help some ppl...... so i want to give it a shot and see what happens. got nothing to loose. and if he doesnt respond well i declare him practice for the next uneducated personw ith a bunch of letters before and or after his name lol
This one says that after 6 months only 9.2% of patch users were still not smoking if they bought the patch OTC (vs 3% if prescribed by their doctor btw)
Real-world efficacy of prescription and over-the-c... [Addiction. 2002] - PubMed result
This one show three random studies, the largest study shows that 80% of e-cig users were able to completely switch to vaping and stop using cigarettes (page 9)
http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA_NRT_Testimony.pdf
Real-world efficacy of prescription and over-the-c... [Addiction. 2002] - PubMed result
This one show three random studies, the largest study shows that 80% of e-cig users were able to completely switch to vaping and stop using cigarettes (page 9)
http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA_NRT_Testimony.pdf
You can give him the information to contradict what he said but honestly it will probably fall on deaf ears! Unfortunately so many people know what they know they can't be bothered with facts! As the old saying goes how can you learn anything when you already know everything! LOL
Sorry it happened like that but you already have surpassed his knowledge! You know you quit smoking! You know you breath easier! You know you can smell and taste better! You know that Big Pharma tries to prolong treatment instead of curing! If there medicine fixed everyone they would be out of business! Just let it be an inside joke as he thinks he knows but you actually do know!
By the way I will say what he doesn't dare say! CONGRATS ON QUITTING SMOKING!
Sorry it happened like that but you already have surpassed his knowledge! You know you quit smoking! You know you breath easier! You know you can smell and taste better! You know that Big Pharma tries to prolong treatment instead of curing! If there medicine fixed everyone they would be out of business! Just let it be an inside joke as he thinks he knows but you actually do know!
By the way I will say what he doesn't dare say! CONGRATS ON QUITTING SMOKING!
There's a good reason patches, gum, lozenges and all that other stuff doesn't work for alot of people. For a great many of us the nicotine is only part of the addiction. The physical act of smoking becomes just as much a part of the addiction as the nicotine. Your Doc, hell any doc, should be intelligent enough to realize that.
My favorite doctor is Dr. Dean Edell (the famed radio doctor), very logical person. He's on board with e-cigs:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-dean-edell-supports-ecigs-jan-15-2010-a.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-dean-edell-supports-ecigs-jan-15-2010-a.html
Anyone who studied Freud should know that!!! (not that I totally agree with his reasoning behind it, but all the same...) It is taught in general psychology...and ALL medical professionals have that course.....
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