US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

[somdcomputerguy]

I never tried an actual cig-a-like. In fact the reason I never considered trying one, besides that I had no intention to quit smoking (again), was that they looked too much like cigarettes. One of the intrigues the eGo/CE4 starter kit that I eventually bought had on me was that it looked nothing like a cigarette.

 

[smacuser]

I'd do some reading up on the battery cap. Quite a few people have posted on here about stripped threads due to the seal that's used under the cap creating too much pressure - you'll notice how tight it feels when you unscrew the cap. Many have suggested removing the seal to alleviate the pressure on the threads, but this will take out the IP67 rating aspect of the mod. A working mod is better than a safety net I suppose in that regard.

Well, that's someone elses problem now. lol. I accidently left it in hotel room 400 miles away.

I have a Solo 2 currently on its way from HealthCabin. Until then, I'm using my orginal Solo with the broken rocker switch. Though, no problems with the battery cap.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Well, that's someone elses problem now. lol. I accidently left it in hotel room 400 miles away.

It works well. Thanks!

 

[Z-Lee]

Well, that's someone elses problem now. lol. I accidently left it in hotel room 400 miles away.

I have a Solo 2 currently on its way from HealthCabin. Until then, I'm using my orginal Solo with the broken rocker switch. Though, no problems with the battery cap.

Oof, did you call them to ask if they'd mail it to you? I'm not sure the likelihood of it working, but might be worth the ask, lol.

 

[Z-Lee]

It works well. Thanks!

Never mind, it went into good hands.

 

[smacuser]

It works well. Thanks!

Good to hear. I was afraid some crackhead might have kept it to try to smoke something horrible.

Oof, did you call them to ask if they'd mail it to you? I'm not sure the likelihood of it working, but might be worth the ask, lol.

I did. Never surfaced.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Good to hear. I was afraid some crackhead might have kept it to try to smoke something horrible.



I did. Never surfaced.

Most likely the cleaning crew got it before the next tenant.

I told a story a few months ago about how years ago I thought I had almost all the vape gear i had at the time in a hotel room. I looked for it frantically. No dice, but I knew I put it in my luggage. I distinctly remember doing it.

Called the hotel and ask if they could look. Called me back and said it was not in the room but would talk to the ones who cleaned it the next day and would fedex it to me if found.

Well, not even an hour later I looked in my rolling bag one last time before I put it away and sure enough it was there. I stuffed it all in the "hidden" compartment on the side of the bag. It fit i there so tight that it didn't wobble around, so it was hard to tell anything was even in there. But I was so relieved and I remembered actually stuffing it in that hidden area once I found it.

 

[smacuser]

Well, not even an hour later I looked in my rolling bag one last time before I put it away and sure enough it was there. I stuffed it all in the "hidden" compartment on the side of the bag.

I remember you telling that story. lol.

This was the third kit I did this with. the first couple of times were with beater units. Since this one had the new Zenith II I won, it stung a little. I was already irritating my wife by the time we were heading home, so I felt it was worth the loss to just kept it to myself.

 

[zoiDman]

Well, that's someone elses problem now. lol. I accidently left it in hotel room 400 miles away.

FedEx TV Commercial, 'Tortoise & The Hare'

 

[MLEJ]

never tried an actual cig-a-like. In fact the reason I never considered trying one, besides that I had no intention to quit smoking (again), was that they looked too much like cigarettes.

Interesting. That they look like cigarettes, and work like them kind of, has been the main reason i use them. Same for many others. Different strokes... (or different crutches...).

 

[low_tar_neil]

Well, they finally published it, effective tomorrow.

https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2021-22787/treatment-of-e-cigarettes-in-the-mail

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Well, they finally published it, effective tomorrow.

https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2021-22787/treatment-of-e-cigarettes-in-the-mail

1. Non-Nicotine-Related ENDS Products Generally

The POSECCA defines ENDS products in relation to their delivery of
“nicotine, flavor, or any other substance.” 15 U.S.C. 375(7)(A). Through use of this list and the disjunctive “or,” this language is clear on its face: covered ENDS products may be used to deliver nicotine, or they may be used to deliver flavor, or they may be used to deliver any other substance (with or without nicotine or flavor). For this reason, the Postal Service observed in the notice of proposed rulemaking that, “[d]espite the name, an item can qualify as an ENDS product without regard to whether it contains or is intended to be used to deliver nicotine; liquids that do not actually contain nicotine can still qualify as ENDS, as can devices, parts, components, and accessories capable of or intended for use with non-nicotine-containing liquids.” 86 FR at 10219.

 

[Z-Lee]

1. Non-Nicotine-Related ENDS Products Generally

The POSECCA defines ENDS products in relation to their delivery of
“nicotine, flavor, or any other substance.” 15 U.S.C. 375(7)(A). Through use of this list and the disjunctive “or,” this language is clear on its face: covered ENDS products may be used to deliver nicotine, or they may be used to deliver flavor, or they may be used to deliver any other substance (with or without nicotine or flavor). For this reason, the Postal Service observed in the notice of proposed rulemaking that, “[d]espite the name, an item can qualify as an ENDS product without regard to whether it contains or is intended to be used to deliver nicotine; liquids that do not actually contain nicotine can still qualify as ENDS, as can devices, parts, components, and accessories capable of or intended for use with non-nicotine-containing liquids.” 86 FR at 10219.

"Or any other substance."

My neighbor's cat hair and urine don't contain nicotine, but I can surely stuff it down into my RDA and vape it. Does that mean it's considered ENDS?

So more or less what this states, is that they can define whatever they want as ENDS to serve their immediate intended agenda. Well done, well done.

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the mailing of VG/PG, as it would clearly be included in this traveshamockery of a ruling.

"The POSECCA excludes from the mailing ban any ENDS product that is
approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”) for sale as tobacco
cessation products or for other therapeutic purposes and marketed and sold
solely for such purposes. At this time, the FDA has not approved any such
devices or drugs."

I've been saying this for 15 or so years now - the majority of the people roaming this planet are idiots.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the mailing of VG/PG, as it would clearly be included in this traveshamockery of a ruling.

There's nothing the can do about VG, PG. flavoring, cotton or resistance wire if it is sold/shipped by a non-vape retailer and not marketed as or labeled as a vaping product as these things are used, and have been used, in non-vape applications for literally forever lol.

 

[low_tar_neil]

The good news is that Xdelivery the alternative carrier network has massively reduced shipping times in the meanwhile, and will be expanding the network to cover almost all of the states.

 

[zoiDman]

The good news is that Xdelivery the alternative carrier network has massively reduced shipping times in the meanwhile, and will be expanding the network to cover almost all of the states.

Good to hear.

Because I did an Order with Element Vape yesterday after getting a call saying the USPS would Published the Final Rule in the next 3 Days. And that Order was shipped Today using Xdelivery.

So Hopefully it goes Smoothly.

 

[low_tar_neil]

FWIW on vaping.com we're using X but also a number of other smaller local networks to get coverage up as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately there is still a 500 parcels per day pick up minimum, so it's going to be a challenge for any smaller vendors left.

 

[zoiDman]

FWIW on vaping.com we're using X but also a number of other smaller local networks to get coverage up as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately there is still a 500 parcels per day pick up minimum, so it's going to be a challenge for any smaller vendors left.

With the Slow Strangulations of Flavored e-Liquids via the FDA, and Now this, I can't see how Most Small Cap e-Cigarette companies can make it.

But that was the Intent. So I guess Many got what they wanted. And the Black Market Thanks them.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

FWIW on vaping.com we're using X but also a number of other smaller local networks to get coverage up as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately there is still a 500 parcels per day pick up minimum, so it's going to be a challenge for any smaller vendors left.

Well I hope X found a better way to do things because back in May reports from vapers about their service were Grade F- at best from a few posts I saw on ECF and another site.

 

[zoiDman]

FWIW on vaping.com we're using X but also a number of other smaller local networks to get coverage up as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately there is still a 500 parcels per day pick up minimum, so it's going to be a challenge for any smaller vendors left.

BTW - Did you happen to see text with Regard to Enforcement Discretion?

[PDF Page 17]

As for enforcement discretion, the scope of the Postal Service’s enforcement discretion under the PACT Act is the subject of ongoing litigation. See generally City of New York v. U.S. Postal Serv., No. 1:19-CV-05934 (E.D.N.Y. filed Oct. 22, 2019).

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-22787.pdf

Check out the Filing Date.