Vape-tiquette

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Vapor Pete

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vaping is not smoking. do you ask permission to use your reading glasses. these products help manage nicatene delivery and it takes


If I used reading glasses (which Im sure has to be just around the corner for me!)
I would not ask permission, since nothing that resembles reading glasses has been banned. And they also dont give off tobacco looking vaper when used...well... I guess that could depend on the person wearing them:D
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i'm still a sneaky vapor... i figure why give people something else to whine about if it can be avoided

I'm a sneaky vaper, too, and I don't feel a bit guilty about it.

It would be different if the anti-smokers had used just a small bit of common sense and consideration in their campaign against us. They didn't. I started smoking in 1977, when people could still smoke pretty much everywhere. I always attempted to be considerate in my smoking because I thought people shouldn't have to deal with smoke if they didn't want to.

But I have been pushed too far. First, it is completely unreasonable to refuse to provide smokers with an inside space they can use in inclement weather IF we are talking about a very large building. In large buildings, there always tend to be areas where people seldom go. And scientifically, arguments about small amounts of smoke escaping from doorways and destroying people's health simply don't hold water. People completely forget about the scientific fact of diffusion. To test such effects of second-hand smoke, put rats in an open aquarium and fill an aquarium across the room with smoke. See how fast they get cancer after the smoke from the other aquarium is diluted by a roomful of air.

Of course, even that isn't good enough. Apparently, the ventilation outside isn't enough for anti-smokers, either. Well, I certainly hope they stay away from sidewalks and parking decks. The poisons emitted from automobiles are much stronger. When is the last time you heard of someone committing suicide by shutting themselves in a garage with a million lit cigarettes?

The smoking issue is NOT a health issue. It is a matter of people wanting to pass judgment on and control the behaviors of people who do things they don't. To me, judging and controlling others beyond the bounds of what is necessary to maintain a peaceful, functioning society is the right of a Higher Power, and usurping that position is more "evil" than whatever the people being judged are doing.

Anti-smokers had ZERO consideration for my comfort as they marched forward in their demonization of smokers. They have no right to expect me to have any consideration for theirs when it comes to vaping.

So I use a black DSE901, cover the LED, hold all the vape in, and I vape literally EVERYWHERE. People lost the right to expect me to be considerate by demonstrating a blatant unwilllingness to be even slightly considerate of smokers. I get what I want and need, no one has any idea, no one is hurt, and I don't have to deal with their unreasonable objections and demands based on nothing other than ignorance, prejudice, and socially sanctioned feelings of moral superiority.
 

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You're blowing it out of proportion. I'm simply saying that there very well may be nicotine in what we exhale. And there might not be. Either way, just assuming you have the right to "vape" in a public establishment among children is rude. I say to simply ask rather than to go with the "bull in a China shop" type of approach and start puffing away.

Sorry, but I don't think blowing vapor in the face of children (especially not knowing what is actually in it) simply isn't the correct approach. If anything, it would create public resentment towards not only those that do it, but also to the practice of vaping.

"How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!"
For the record, my grandmother died of cancer from second hand smoke, as my grandfather was a chain smoker who smoked constantly indoors around her. So, excuse me if I dismiss your statement as being emotionally driven and personally biased, not to mention inaccurate. Denial over the harms of smoking is a outlandish.

If you find simply asking the owner of the establishment for permission to vape to put you out too much, then that's your call. Just don't complain and speak down to them off of a pedestal when none of us have seen any real lab reports about what is actually in the vapor that we're exhaling.

Perhaps my sense of being respectful to others and not outright trying to anger someone just to debate them over the merits of an unknown is a bit outdated. To each their own........

No disrespect intended.

If you read my post and understood my point, which you didn't, I was advocating NOT getting in anyones face with vaping. Ask, explain, demonstrate and then abide by the wishes of the establishment.

Second, my point was not that smoking was healthy or not harmful. We all know it is. But it is NOT harmful due to the nicotine! Do you understand that??? So stop with implying that I think smoking is not harmful. My point, that you totally ignored or missed, is that YOU implied that nicotine is HARMFUL and thus should not be around kids! That it is nicotine that causes the problem. It is this type of scare tactic that I am sick of seeing. If nicotine is harmful at these levels, then how do YOU explain it's use in gum, mints, inhalers and nasal spray?? Why is nicotine gum readily available in any durg store or grocery store if it is going to hurt us?

Lacy's point that exhaust from cars is probably more harmful makes sense. But instead, lets just run around and state that a miniscule amount of nicotine that may be exhaled while vaping is a danger to mankind and especially children.

Edit: sorry for the rant! That came off too aggressive. You have a right to believe that nicotine will hurt other people in miniscule amounts. I just don't agree, that's all.
 
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In large part wv I agree with your post. I will only add this: In the 50's and 60's the dangers of second hand smoke were not widely known by the public. If they knew then what we know now, it may have been a different story as far as smoking behavior is concerned. (I sad behavior because I couldn't spell ettikett).

Other than that, I am in agreement.

El, I agree with you. My point was not that smoking is good for anyone, it's not. But that nicotine is not the problem and that as bad as second hand smoke is, quite a few of us survived. I'm just trying to put it in perspective that we don't need to add fuel to the fire by now running around stating that nicotine will harm everyone and I think you and I are on the same page on that point.
 

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So basically, if you take 50 puffs, and exhale every drop of every one of those 50 puffs directly into a bystanders lungs, he will absorb one puffs worth of nicotine. Of course with air currents, and how fast the smoke dissipates, the only way you could get a concentration that high is if you were giving him CPR and taking a drag between each breath :p

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I won't even tell you where I was in 1987... I knew what a cigarette was as my grandmother smoked like a chimney... but... I was still almost a good 6 years from my first smoke ;)

Quit braggin, or I'm going to have to get the belt out and....................hmmm, on second thought, continue...........:D
 
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