Vape-tiquette

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LaceyUnderall

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I think the larger point is that we are exhaling something into the air that would not be there if we were not vaping. What exactly is there is not known conclusively so it is best to always be polite about it when in a business and comply with the owner's wishes.

I bet it is safer than what comes out of vehicle exhaust pipes...
 

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Two points. One, as I stated before, we should always be respectful and polite and abide by the wishes of the esblishment we are in.

Second point: this thought that we may be exhaling a minuscule amount of nicotine and thus we should only vape in the woods (slight exaggeration) and heaven forbide around kids, is just nuts. How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!! Heck, if we follow this thought process to it's logical conclusion, you would be morally incompetent to ever let your kids out of the house without an artificial breather over their heads!!

This nation is turning into a bunch of hand-ringing hypochondriacs.

Ok, I will now step away from the soap box.

By the way, no disrespect intended towards anyone.
 
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Unless it is a Tuesday with a full moon, then the laws of physics are reversed....;););)

Ok you win ;);););)

How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!!
Or in the 70's when smoking was allowed in the delivery room (gasp)
 

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Ok you win ;);););)

I am king of the world!!!:sneaky:


Or in the 70's when smoking was allowed in the delivery room (gasp)

I smoked at my desk until 1987................and even then I could go into the "backroom" of the office and smoke until 1990
 
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Two points. One, as I stated before, we should always be respectful and polite and abide by the wishes of the esblishment we are in.

Second point: this thought that we may be exhaling a minuscule amount of nicotine and thus we should only vape in the woods (slight exaggeration) and heaven forbide around kids, is just nuts. How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!! Heck, if we follow this thought process to it's logical conclusion, you would be morally incompetent to ever let your kids out of the house without an artificial breather over their heads!!

This nation is turning into a bunch of hand-ringing hypochondriacs.

Ok, I will now step away from the soap box.

By the way, no disrespect intended towards anyone.

In large part wv I agree with your post. I will only add this: In the 50's and 60's the dangers of second hand smoke were not widely known by the public. If they knew then what we know now, it may have been a different story as far as smoking behavior is concerned. (I sad behavior because I couldn't spell ettikett).

Other than that, I am in agreement.
 

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Two points. One, as I stated before, we should always be respectful and polite and abide by the wishes of the esblishment we are in.

Second point: this thought that we may be exhaling a minuscule amount of nicotine and thus we should only vape in the woods (slight exaggeration) and heaven forbide around kids, is just nuts. How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!! Heck, if we follow this thought process to it's logical conclusion, you would be morally incompetent to ever let your kids out of the house without an artificial breather over their heads!!

This nation is turning into a bunch of hand-ringing hypochondriacs.

Ok, I will now step away from the soap box.

By the way, no disrespect intended towards anyone.

You're blowing it out of proportion. I'm simply saying that there very well may be nicotine in what we exhale. And there might not be. Either way, just assuming you have the right to "vape" in a public establishment among children is rude. I say to simply ask rather than to go with the "bull in a China shop" type of approach and start puffing away.

Sorry, but I don't think blowing vapor in the face of children (especially not knowing what is actually in it) simply isn't the correct approach. If anything, it would create public resentment towards not only those that do it, but also to the practice of vaping.

"How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!"
For the record, my grandmother died of cancer from second hand smoke, as my grandfather was a chain smoker who smoked constantly indoors around her. So, excuse me if I dismiss your statement as being emotionally driven and personally biased, not to mention inaccurate. Denial over the harms of smoking is a outlandish.

If you find simply asking the owner of the establishment for permission to vape to put you out too much, then that's your call. Just don't complain and speak down to them off of a pedestal when none of us have seen any real lab reports about what is actually in the vapor that we're exhaling.

Perhaps my sense of being respectful to others and not outright trying to anger someone just to debate them over the merits of an unknown is a bit outdated. To each their own........

No disrespect intended.
 

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I've been round this bush a couple of times but here we go. Om, I see enough 'think of the children' from opponents of vaping. Nobody advocated blowing vapour in kids' faces so punting it into the thread as an example of poor behaviour is itself poor (and an excuse for the thread to deteriorate, as these public how-tos always do).

For the record, I vape in all the places I used to smoke, namely bars, theatres, restaurants, planes and trains. In business establishments I sometimes ask, sometimes not. I never go to the smokers shelter.

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I've been round this bush a couple of times but here we go. Om, I see enough 'think of the children' from opponents of vaping. Nobody advocated blowing vapour in kids' faces so punting it into the thread as an example of poor behaviour is itself poor (and an excuse for the thread to deteriorate, as these public how-tos always do).

For the record, I vape in all the places I used to smoke, namely bars, theatres, restaurants, planes and trains. In business establishments I sometimes ask, sometimes not. I never go to the smokers shelter.

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The children reference was in response to a comment about smoking not being bad, etc... I vape in bars, restaurants, etc.., where smoking is permitted. I haven't been anywhere yet that is non-smoking. When I do, I'll simply ask the manager if it's okay if I vape, and explain to him what it actually is, before just vaping away. I was just saying it's rather rude to not ask first is all.

Cheers!
 

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I smoked at my desk until 1987................and even then I could go into the "backroom" of the office and smoke until 1990

I won't even tell you where I was in 1987... I knew what a cigarette was as my grandmother smoked like a chimney... but... I was still almost a good 6 years from my first smoke ;)
 

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How in the heck did any of us born in the 50's or 60's ever live this long since whole families smoked back then and many of our Mother's smoked while they were pregnant with us!!!
Eating lead paint made us tougher. :D Add to that asbestos, no seat belts, no bike or motorcycle helmets and my favorite, the wood burning set, you have one tough generation.:cool:
 

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The vapor that is exhaled contains nicotine in it. It's not like you are just using your reading glasses at all. I don't vape around children because there is nicotine in the vapor that is exhaled. While that nicotine may be a small amount (who really knows?), it is still there.

I'll tell you who knows. This lab in new zealand knows.

www . healthnz . co . nz / 2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08 . pdf

I'm only just learning about Ecigs, but the first thing I did was go read up on the vapor, to see what health risks it has. I know that we can't know 100% what long term effects it may cause, but we can be pretty sure that what we exhale is 100% inert, and no more harmful than standing 100 yards down from a theatrical smoke machine.

Here's the specific quote on the amount of exhaled nicotine.

(Darn, had to break up my link because this is my first post :p )

10. Safety of Ruyan® e-cigarette ‘smoke’ for bystanders.
Because inhaled nicotine is over 98% absorbed6, the exhaled ‘smoke’ is propylene glycol
minus the nicotine, and any exhaled PG mist dissipates within seconds. Without the
gaseous products of combustion, the ‘smoke’ is not harmful to bystanders. The ‘smoke’
or mist is not tobacco smoke, and not from combustion – no flame is lit – and is not
defined as environmental tobacco smoke. and e-cigarette “smoking” would be permitted
under New Zealand’s Smoke free Environments Act31.
 

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So basically, if you take 50 puffs, and exhale every drop of every one of those 50 puffs directly into a bystanders lungs, he will absorb one puffs worth of nicotine. Of course with air currents, and how fast the smoke dissipates, the only way you could get a concentration that high is if you were giving him CPR and taking a drag between each breath :p
 

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I'll tell you who knows. This lab in new zealand knows.

www . healthnz . co . nz / 2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08 . pdf

I'm only just learning about Ecigs, but the first thing I did was go read up on the vapor, to see what health risks it has. I know that we can't know 100% what long term effects it may cause, but we can be pretty sure that what we exhale is 100% inert, and no more harmful than standing 100 yards down from a theatrical smoke machine.

Here's the specific quote on the amount of exhaled nicotine.

(Darn, had to break up my link because this is my first post :p )

Thanks for that link. I stand corrected. :)
 
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