Vaping gave me Eosinophilic Pneumonia, and I DONT use THC of any kind.

[Horselady154]

Pretty much everything said in this thread is backed up by the latest British Medical Journal study. I think it is just a coincidence these things have come about at the same time. Most 'new' vapors are reaching the 3-4 year mark now.

https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275

However, THIS study appears to be funded by NIH and the FDA.

"Funding: This work was funded by NIH/FDA HL120100 and NIH/NHLBI R01 HL135642 (RT), U54DA036151 and R01ES029435 (SEJ), NHLBI U54 HL147127 (JG), and NIH/FDA P50CA180905 and NIH/NICHD R21HD084812 (RM). Research reported in this publication was in part supported by NIH and the FDA Center for tobacco Products (CTP). The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the NIH or the Food and Drug Administration."

 

[Vapntime]

However, THIS study appears to be funded by NIH and the FDA.

"Funding: This work was funded by NIH/FDA HL120100 and NIH/NHLBI R01 HL135642 (RT), U54DA036151 and R01ES029435 (SEJ), NHLBI U54 HL147127 (JG), and NIH/FDA P50CA180905 and NIH/NICHD R21HD084812 (RM). Research reported in this publication was in part supported by NIH and the FDA Center for tobacco Products (CTP). The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the NIH or the Food and Drug Administration."

If you believe the review is incorrect you are free to think that.

I think this should mean something:
Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; externally peer reviewed.

All the studies are referenced. You could do your own review of the studies will you declare all of your interests?

 

[Horselady154]

If you believe the review is incorrect you are free to think that.

It's not what I "think", it is who funded the study. It doesn't mean it's not accurate, but certainly is something that should be noted.

 

[Vapntime]

It's not what I "think", it is who funded the study. It doesn't mean it's not accurate, but certainly is something that should be noted.

Yes, correct thats a given. You should research the funders. This is one:
Funded Research: Tobacco Regulatory Science Program

 

[rosesense]

Don't worry I didn't think you were, just wanted to answer your questions as best I can. For anyone else, I have thick skin so don't feel you need to prefix your replies lol. The only time I get a bit frustrated is when someone refuses to accept this is happening because I think at this point it should be clear to everyone something is wrong somewhere and it's worth discussing within a community of senior vapers. This is not THC specific, the THC specific cases are abrupt, many times deadly and cause serious lung damage, the nicotine-based cases are nearly all affecting long term vapers with sometimes deadly severe pneumonia. If you review the articles that list what is known from the vaping related injuries, many of them are not teens but long term nicotine vapers.

If you read back in my posts, you will find me attacking those initial "fake" studies the tobacco companies were pushing, YEARS ago, so I have been there, I fought the fight. I was a true believer in vaping and I STILL AM that vaping is a good risk reduction alternative to smoking, but I think we need to find this issue that is causing lung damage or it's going to be severely limited in options soon. I also believe it might be time to consider creating some risk reduction postings that if you're experiencing certain things, you might be suspectable to a rare vaping related injury and should cease vaping, then see a doctor.

I think what we are seeing now is either the long term effects of vaping in specific populations or specific contaminations that are widespread and misunderstood. I should also mention that I have met other people with the same story, and even talked to one in this forum after posting this who wished to remain anonymous.

Just want to say thanks for continued posting even when there are so many differing opinions. I wish you the best with the medical issues.

Based on your info, I have ordered an o2 meter. I am not blaming vaping (probably my age) but I am having increasing sleep apnea so I want to check readings to have more info before I start with docs and tests.

I know many didn't believe me early on about my inability to use some rda's and rba's without coughing my head off. I never figured out the cause, probably the wicking material. I also can't do high watts without coughing like crazy. I also coughed like mad when I smoked so it has to be an issue with me, my lungs or whatever. I guess I am saying a lot might depend on the individual. I am very pro vaping and grateful for it to stop smoking.

One question for you, not an attack in any way, but I think you said you still hit your wife's ecig occasionally. So your wife still vapes? If so, what is her take on all this and how it relates to her vaping?

Thanks @440BB for the reminder. I am trying hard to stop inhaling but it is very hard.

 

[LoriP1702]

I too would like to thank everyone for continuing to contribute to this topic/thread.
I have found it most interesting and informative!!

I think no matter what, no matter if we disagree on some things, I think we are all looking for more information, the truth, and to learn as much as we can.

I fully think that there is some risk associated with vaping, even if it's 95% safer, we shouldn't be shocked when folks have issues.

There are also things that may never be explained, or consistent across all vapers, due to the vast differences, as others have mentioned, hardware, coils, wick, frequency, etc.

In my late 40's, I developed an acute sensitivity/allergy to Ibuprofen, had taken it occasionally many times, so I get it...stuff happens...what's good one day, might not be tomorrow.

But again, I have really enjoyed this discussion!!

 

[Punk In Drublic]

In my late 40's, I developed an acute sensitivity/allergy to Ibuprofen, had taken it occasionally many times, so I get it...stuff happens...what's good one day, might not be tomorrow.

Interesting you brought that up. I am highly allergic to Penicillin, and if I take a significant amount, it could lead to Eosinophilia, which given my healthy Olympian lungs (being facetious), could lead to Eosinophilic Pneumonia

 

[Iron Molly]

I think we are finally getting to the point of this. The OP could get sick from vaping, it's entirely possible. The vast majority of us do not get sick from vaping, and that's possible at the same time. People are different. Some people are sensitive/allergic to gluten, medicines, PG, peanut butter, etc., sometimes with dire consequences. The majority of us are not. Bottom line, if you think something is making you sick in some way, stop doing it. I don't think vaping is entirely harmless for anyone, but I do believe it is much less harmful than smoking for most people. Clear as mud?

 

[LoriP1702]

Interesting you brought that up. I am highly allergic to Penicillin, and if I take a significant amount, it could lead to Eosinophilia, which given my healthy Olympian lungs (being facetious), could lead to Eosinophilic Pneumonia

That is interesting. I've heard of a few being allergic to Penicillin.

I'm just so thankful the OP is doing better, and that the treatment is working.

Life/health can be a delicate balance.

 

[MsLoud]

I'm having similar issues with breathing. I won't go into all the particular but I will say keep an open mind. I denied vaping was the issue till I stopped, saw a doctor and started being able to breathe again. I am starting to vape - not inhale - and DIY unflavored 70pg/30vg 3mg. I'm tolerating it so far. I hate smoking. HATE IT. I smoke about half a pack of cigs now but cutting back with vaping some.
Love you all. Keep an open mind.

I wanted to add...what got me thinking was a comment my doctor made. She was more concerned about inhaling flavorings and the effects. Maybe there's something to that?

 

[LoriP1702]

I'm having similar issues with breathing. I won't go into all the particular but I will say keep an open mind. I denied vaping was the issue till I stopped, saw a doctor and started being able to breathe again. I am starting to vape - not inhale - and DIY unflavored 70pg/30vg 3mg. I'm tolerating it so far. I hate smoking. HATE IT. I smoke about half a pack of cigs now but cutting back with vaping some.
Love you all. Keep an open mind.

I wanted to add...what got me thinking was a comment my doctor made. She was more concerned about inhaling flavorings and the effects. Maybe there's something to that?

I'm so sorry you've had to go through this (or something similar) as well.

I think (especially) those of us that have been here for years have pretty much suspected that the flavors could be/would be the biggest risk factor.
I remember reading many discussions about it back when I first joined.

Hope you continue to get better.

 

[jplanet]

Just chiming in with my own odd vape health related issue.

I've been happily vaping for about 9 years now, very happy I've quit smoking, and it's all thanks to vaping. I still vape, and do not currently have any health issues, just to be clear.

However, I can't vape anything with any kind of flavors whatsoever. The side effect is quite strange. If I vape any flavor, more so anything with fruit, I'm OK for a day or so, and then I begin to develop a severe burning in my abdomen. It's more than just heartburn - it is actually specifically where my gallbladder used to be, which would likely be the biliary duct that was cut when my gallbladder was removed.

When I first started vaping, and was not aware of this side effect for me, I spent a great deal of time in severe pain. At one point, I developed sepsis, and it was discovered that I had a biliary stricture, which caused bile to back up into my liver, and caused an infection. I was in the hospital for 10 days, IV antibiotics, and a procedure to drain the infection and put a stent in the biliary duct to keep it open.

I have been ok since, but if I take a few puffs of anything flavored, I feel the beginning of that pain again.

It might be dumb that I continue to vape after that, but I seem to have settled on a 100% VG NET juice that I can vape with no side effects. I've been on this for several years without issue.

While I want to support this miraculous invention that helped me quit, and I am revolted by the hysteria that politicians and media are latching onto, I would like to see these products made to be safe. I was discouraged that when I was going through that pain, I wrote to several vendors to ask about ingredients when I experienced a painful side effect. None of them shared an ounce of information with me. While we love and support our vendors, it is a bummer that they chose to ignore my concerns. I could have been killed.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Just chiming in with my own odd vape health related issue.

I've been happily vaping for about 9 years now, very happy I've quit smoking, and it's all thanks to vaping. I still vape, and do not currently have any health issues, just to be clear.

However, I can't vape anything with any kind of flavors whatsoever. The side effect is quite strange. If I vape any flavor, more so anything with fruit, I'm OK for a day or so, and then I begin to develop a severe burning in my abdomen. It's more than just heartburn - it is actually specifically where my gallbladder used to be, which would likely be the biliary duct that was cut when my gallbladder was removed.

When I first started vaping, and was not aware of this side effect for me, I spent a great deal of time in severe pain. At one point, I developed sepsis, and it was discovered that I had a biliary stricture, which caused bile to back up into my liver, and caused an infection. I was in the hospital for 10 days, IV antibiotics, and a procedure to drain the infection and put a stent in the biliary duct to keep it open.

I have been ok since, but if I take a few puffs of anything flavored, I feel the beginning of that pain again.

It might be dumb that I continue to vape after that, but I seem to have settled on a 100% VG NET juice that I can vape with no side effects. I've been on this for several years without issue.

While I want to support this miraculous invention that helped me quit, and I am revolted by the hysteria that politicians and media are latching onto, I would like to see these products made to be safe. I was discouraged that when I was going through that pain, I wrote to several vendors to ask about ingredients when I experienced a painful side effect. None of them shared an ounce of information with me. While we love and support our vendors, it is a bummer that they chose to ignore my concerns. I could have been killed.

I think transparency in business is important. I don't know why vaping should be any different.

There are two reasons I can see why the e-liquid manufacturers might not disclose the ingredients in your e-liquid. One, they can't patent it, so are afraid of the disclosure of their recipes. Two, they aren't aware of the specific chemical makeup of the final e-liquid.

This is a new industry and most small manufacturers can not afford the testing that would be necessary to list all of the flavor chemicals in their juice blend. I think every personal vaporizer system, and all liquids used with a system, should include a 'use at your own risk' label.

This is one of the best arguments for DIY e-liquid. YOU know which flavors cause you problems, or not, if you test them. This lets you know which ones to use, and which ones to avoid. NETS are flavored btw, they just use flavoring from whatever tobacco's are used to produce them. If NETS work for you, then stick with that. It might be worth looking into homemade NETS if the flavor ban goes through, we have a section of this forum dedicated to that.

Here it is, I looked it up. I hope this is useful to you, I really enjoy some of the posts here, they're very interesting and a lot of work has gone into the methods used to produce NETS.

Liquid Extraction From Tobacco

As always, use at your own risk.

 

[vaperXant]

Just want to say thanks for continued posting even when there are so many differing opinions. I wish you the best with the medical issues.

Based on your info, I have ordered an o2 meter. I am not blaming vaping (probably my age) but I am having increasing sleep apnea so I want to check readings to have more info before I start with docs and tests.

I know many didn't believe me early on about my inability to use some rda's and rba's without coughing my head off. I never figured out the cause, probably the wicking material. I also can't do high watts without coughing like crazy. I also coughed like mad when I smoked so it has to be an issue with me, my lungs or whatever. I guess I am saying a lot might depend on the individual. I am very pro vaping and grateful for it to stop smoking.

One question for you, not an attack in any way, but I think you said you still hit your wife's ecig occasionally. So your wife still vapes? If so, what is her take on all this and how it relates to her vaping?

Thanks @440BB for the reminder. I am trying hard to stop inhaling but it is very hard.

Symptoms similar to sleep apnea were how this started for me, I would wake up very short of breathe and almost like I was suffocating. It would take me a bit to catch my breathe after that and a nebulizer. I think it's good to test your O2 and if it's below 98%, then maybe check with a doctor for more intensive lung capacity testing. I also started to get a followup cough to hits early on that was concerning that got worse and worse over the months. It was certainly a slow onset that at one point rapidly got worse.

As for my wife, she just wanted me to get better. She is worried about vaping, but she is much lower watts and a much less frequent vapor so it seems she is OK health wise. It's interesting because we used the same gear and juices frequently but not exclusively.

 

[vaperXant]

Just chiming in with my own odd vape health related issue.

I've been happily vaping for about 9 years now, very happy I've quit smoking, and it's all thanks to vaping. I still vape, and do not currently have any health issues, just to be clear.

However, I can't vape anything with any kind of flavors whatsoever. The side effect is quite strange. If I vape any flavor, more so anything with fruit, I'm OK for a day or so, and then I begin to develop a severe burning in my abdomen. It's more than just heartburn - it is actually specifically where my gallbladder used to be, which would likely be the biliary duct that was cut when my gallbladder was removed.

When I first started vaping, and was not aware of this side effect for me, I spent a great deal of time in severe pain. At one point, I developed sepsis, and it was discovered that I had a biliary stricture, which caused bile to back up into my liver, and caused an infection. I was in the hospital for 10 days, IV antibiotics, and a procedure to drain the infection and put a stent in the biliary duct to keep it open.

I have been ok since, but if I take a few puffs of anything flavored, I feel the beginning of that pain again.

It might be dumb that I continue to vape after that, but I seem to have settled on a 100% VG NET juice that I can vape with no side effects. I've been on this for several years without issue.

While I want to support this miraculous invention that helped me quit, and I am revolted by the hysteria that politicians and media are latching onto, I would like to see these products made to be safe. I was discouraged that when I was going through that pain, I wrote to several vendors to ask about ingredients when I experienced a painful side effect. None of them shared an ounce of information with me. While we love and support our vendors, it is a bummer that they chose to ignore my concerns. I could have been killed.

I am glad you were able to get better and find the actual cause. Unfortunately, I was not able to find what caused my issues specifically if it was related to juice or gear.

 

[vaperXant]

Quick update, I quit smoking with Nicotine-Extract Pouches and Snus Pouches. I really appreciate everyone sharing there stories. I hope everyone knows this was not intended to be necessarily against vaping, rather to start a discussion and discovery on if vaping has caused issues with others and help others identify issues that I faced if they are seeing them, and anything I could do to help proactively help others avoid the situation I was in.

There is a ton of great feedback here, and I have had a handful of people now reach out to me who are not willing to be publicly mentioned who also had similar lung issues from vaping. I think it's pretty clear that something is going on but sadly I think finding that issue will be difficult if not impossible for us without more info and resources. I do think a risk reduction disclaimer should exist somewhere on this site, because there are quite clearly a lot of issues related to vaping. This is just my opinion, but if things remain unchanged in the industry I just see this problem getting worse. Although unrelated to my case, I think this THC issue is just the first contaminate issue that was widely reported and had serious short term effects, but many long term issues exist from vendors who might not have ever been discovered using tainted products. Hopefully, we don't see anymore episodes like the THC one in the nicotine space specifically.

Much of the gear we use, coils and even some juices are sourced from china. Even juices made in the US use Chinese based flavoring in many cases, and I think everyone is aware what risks that carries.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Quick update, I quit smoking with Nicotine-Extract Pouches and Snus Pouches. I really appreciate everyone sharing there stories. I hope everyone knows this was not intended to be necessarily against vaping, rather to start a discussion and discovery on if vaping has caused issues with others and help others identify issues that I faced if they are seeing them, and anything I could do to help proactively help others avoid the situation I was in.

There is a ton of great feedback here, and I have had a handful of people now reach out to me who are not willing to be publicly mentioned who also had similar lung issues from vaping. I think it's pretty clear that something is going on but sadly I think finding that issue will be difficult if not impossible for us without more info and resources. I do think a risk reduction disclaimer should exist somewhere on this site, because there are quite clearly a lot of issues related to vaping. This is just my opinion, but if things remain unchanged in the industry I just see this problem getting worse. Although unrelated to my case, I think this THC issue is just the first contaminate issue that was widely reported and had serious short term effects, but many long term issues exist from vendors who might not have ever been discovered using tainted products. Hopefully, we don't see anymore episodes like the THC one in the nicotine space specifically.

Much of the gear we use, coils and even some juices are sourced from china. Even juices made in the US use Chinese based flavoring in many cases, and I think everyone is aware what risks that carries.

Good job on quitting using another NRT!

I'm glad you had the courage to post your experiences, knowing that there would be a strong push back here. Looking at things from another viewpoint gave me a little more objectivity on the subject that I think I needed right about then. The timing kind of sucked with everything happening now, lmao, but hey, it happens! I may have been a little harsh along the way, and if so I'd like to apologize for that. Take care bud.

 

[Tabac man]

I'm a bit perplexed about people contacting you via pm. The vaping community is doing itself a huge disservice if they themselves cannot or will not openly discuss health problems brought on by vaping. Of course the vaping community needs to be open to hearing it, not just attacking the poster or singing la la laa la la la laaa.

 

[Vapntime]

I'm a bit perplexed about people contacting you via pm. The vaping community is doing itself a huge disservice if they themselves cannot or will not openly discuss health problems brought on by vaping. Of course the vaping community needs to be open to hearing it, not just attacking the poster or singing la la laa la la la laaa.

Im sure it will come as no surprise but I was one person who contacted vaperXant. I have had a major issue with vaping related illness. However, I don't see any reason to explain to all here. I think there is enough evidence, and there would most likely be only a very small amount of people here that are interested. Of those people who may be interested they are likely to view the current (non THC) evidence on it merits.

 

[Tabac man]

Im sure it will come as no surprise but I was one person who contacted vaperXant. I have had a major issue with vaping related illness. However, I don't see any reason to explain to all here. I think there is enough evidence, and there would most likely be only a very small amount of people here that are interested. Of those people who may be interested they are likely to view the current (non THC) evidence on it merits.

I respect your right to privacy. I feel ok standing by my post though.