Vaping in a Movie Theater

[Trayce]

The short & sweet of it is that you are incorrect in your assumption. And I really think it's a little bit funny that you think you can say with so much certainty what people do & don't do or what they do & don't notice when you're not there to witness it.

Yet you go on to assert the very thing you just accused me of doing -- deciding you know for sure you aren't bothering anyone.

Personally I am way more concerned about people who believe I am incapable of judging for myself what is & isn't a problem for others than I am about vaping bans. In fact I'd have to say that the worst criticisms of my vaping habits have come from people in this forum & not from anyone I've met in any RL social situation.

And I'd have to say this is a conveniently self-serving and narcissistic POV in the extreme, that you can judge what does and does not bother others - particularly in a movie theater (the context here) when you can't even see the people directly behind you who are most likely to be annoyed and notice what you're doing. Even if you sit in the back row there are people to either side. And you certainly cannot assume you aren't bothering anyone based on saying "no one complains." Polite people won't tap you on the shoulder in the theater and say, "Hey buddy, that's annoying me and it really isn't even allowed, so do you mind?" They won't do that because only an a-- would be doing something annoying to begin with, so telling them to knock it off likely won't do anything but ruin the entire movie experience by enticing a confrontation.

As for getting more guff here than IRL, that's why. It is safe to tell someone here, "I don't think that's a good idea," whereas IRL that could cause a fight. Moreover, people here are interested in protecting the right to vape and will tell you or any other member when they think something might be good or bad -- based on their opinions, and we have many opinions.

That doesn't mean I think we have to please all of the people all of the time. It is a diverse world and people have to stop applying their prejudice against smoking, against vapers. People have to "get over it" in some cases, like in the case of outdoor public places. But in a movie theater... imho one should step outside the theater into the hallway if they really can't go 2 hrs without a vape.

 

[Trayce]

Trayce, I read this and your former reply and while I agree that I am there to watch a movie without distraction, I believe popcorn eaters that munch their popcorn through out the WHOLE movie are much worse than somebody who stealth vapes.

Popcorn isn't half as bad as crinkly candy wrappers. (This is why I go to an empty theater to see a movie.) But the snack bar is how movie theaters survive, and this 'distraction' is expected.

I personally am in favour of common sense: if you can vape without distracting anybody then fine, but try not to be provocative.
Stef.

It's nice you are trying to be considerate. But unless in an empty theater where you are not in anyone's line of sight to the screen, or in anyone's direct field of peripheral vision, you have no way of knowing if you are bothering anyone or not unless they speak up. And most won't speak up regardless. Imho the more respectful choice is to err on the side of caution.

 

[Trayce]

The ONLY way to get vaping in public to be accepted is to be courteous, to be visible, and to educate.
The faster we can get people educated, the better chance we have of stopping the vaping bans.

And if we are hiding in corners vaping, not a single person will become educated.

As long as people remain ignorant, they will gladly eat the lies and propaganda that the ANTZ continue to spread.
And as long as they eat that garbage, they will back the vaping bans that the ANTZ are parading around this country as we speak.

We haven't defeated the vaping bans that have so far been defeated by sitting back and hoping for the best.
We've beaten those bans by fighting back.

This whole debate of "being out or staying in the closet" reminds me of the whole gay rights thing. In the beginning the only people fearless enough to be out were women that looked like men, and men that looked like women. Both extremes horrified the larger gay community that was still closeted and was afraid these "out and proud" and "in your face" people would turn the public against gays. But over the years the public became educated and there IS no other way than "being out."

The more people "apologize" for vaping by slinking off to some corner like a leper with a disgusting disease, the more the vaping community will be judged as such by those who don't know better... led by those with a vested interest in spreading lies and propaganda.

Smoking was deemed dangerous via second-hand smoke (which I still do not believe). So it was banned just about everywhere. Vaping does not need to be banned anywhere... except maybe a very few places... like the theater.

EDIT: My point being I agree with DC2... we should vape in public places where smoking is banned because ...we aren't smoking.

 

[wv2win]

The ONLY way to get vaping in public to be accepted is to be courteous, to be visible, and to educate.
The faster we can get people educated, the better chance we have of stopping the vaping bans.

And if we are hiding in corners vaping, not a single person will become educated.

As long as people remain ignorant, they will gladly eat the lies and propaganda that the ANTZ continue to spread.
And as long as they eat that garbage, they will back the vaping bans that the ANTZ are parading around this country as we speak.

We haven't defeated the vaping bans that have so far been defeated by sitting back and hoping for the best.
We've beaten those bans by fighting back.

Well stated. I can't understand the lack of logic by those who think acting like vaping is the same as smoking is going to make vaping somehow acceptable. Vaping openly most places but respectfully and being well versed and ready to educate the uninformed is the only path to acceptance. Hiding in smoke filled corners will only provide the ANTZ's more fuel for the fire and not educate the majority who don't smoke.

 

[Randy C]

This debate isn't about whether vaping is a health risk or not, or if vaping is harmless or not. It's also not about whether or not we have the right to vape where we want. It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.

Just say it... Some of you feel vaping in a theatre is acceptable because there is no law against it, and that you don't care if others feel threatened or violated- because it's within your rights; that you're entitled to do this- period! I say to you- Grow up!

I have a family, and I wouldn't want my wife or kids to feel threatened or violated in any way. Most Americans, thanks to our liberal leadership and media, have been told that we're vaping anti-freeze. Most people don't know anything about vaping! Now... seat them next to a vapor blowing clouds of "something" into the very air that they are breathing. They might feel uncomfortable or violated!

There are lots of things that aren't illegal to do in a movie theatre... There are no laws against singing in a theatre, no law against screaming at the top of your lungs, no law against playing a harmonica. Would you do these things in a theatre, because you have a right to? This Ideology of "entitlement" is the reason why our country has so many laws in the first place. If we can't govern our own behavior, the government will make laws to govern it for us.[/B]

Debate this... I dare you!

 

[DC2]

This debate isn't about whether vaping is a health risk or not, or if vaping is harmless or not. It's also not about whether or not we have the right to vape where we want. It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.

First, let me start by saying that we most certainly do have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.
That's not even debatable, and people do things that make me uncomfortable all the time.

The question is actually whether or not we should purposely do so, and under what circumstances.
In that respect, one might consider vaping in the middle of a crowd as being similar to bringing up religion at a dinner party.

Just say it... Some of you feel vaping in a theatre is acceptable because there is no law against it, and that you don't care if others feel threatened or violated- because it's within your rights; that you're entitled to do this- period! I say to you- Grow up!

Now... seat them next to a vapor blowing clouds of "something" into the very air that they are breathing. They might feel uncomfortable or violated!

Nobody in this thread has said they would do that, so why go there?

 

[DC2]

Some people may think it's okay to blow vapor clouds into people's faces, and those people are jerks.
I'm sure everyone here agrees with that.

Some people think we shouldn't blow clouds of vapor anywhere people might see it because it could upset them.
I would like to hope no one agrees with that, but apparently some do.

But there is an entire world of situations in between these two extremes that we could be talking about.
Yet every time a thread like this comes up, the extremists come out of the woodwork and turn it into some kind of idealistic battle of nonsense.

 

[Trayce]

Some people may think it's okay to blow vapor clouds into people's faces, and those people are jerks. I'm sure everyone here agrees with that.

Some people think we shouldn't blow clouds of vapor anywhere people might see it because it could upset them. I would like to hope no one agrees with that, but apparently some do.

But there is an entire world of situations in between these two extremes that we could be talking about.
Yet every time a thread like this comes up, the extremists come out of the woodwork and turn it into some kind of idealistic battle of nonsense.

I guess maybe part of the problem is the context of the thread was about a movie theater while your statements and points have gone beyond that to the larger, more relevant issues, and I for one am in total agreement with you.

No group of people ever won rights (or kept rights) by politely being quiet and staying out of the way until those in charge saw fit to do what was right. As it happens vapers have rights by default because there are no laws against vaping (or weren't). But it got linked to smoking, so thrown in the same dirty, propagandized and hated-by-the-public bucket. And now vapers have to "re-win" rights we should have never had to fight for to begin with. But that won't happen by vaping in the closet until politicians and people generously grant those rights. That is a sure way to lose the battle, imho.

 

[Trayce]

This debate isn't about whether vaping is a health risk or not, or if vaping is harmless or not. It's also not about whether or not we have the right to vape where we want. It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.

Just say it... Some of you feel vaping in a theatre is acceptable because there is no law against it, and that you don't care if others feel threatened or violated- because it's within your rights; that you're entitled to do this- period! I say to you- Grow up!

I have a family, and I wouldn't want my wife or kids to feel threatened or violated in any way. Most Americans, thanks to our liberal leadership and media, have been told that we're vaping anti-freeze. Most people don't know anything about vaping! Now... seat them next to a vapor blowing clouds of "something" into the very air that they are breathing. They might feel uncomfortable or violated!

There are lots of things that aren't illegal to do in a movie theatre... There are no laws against singing in a theatre, no law against screaming at the top of your lungs, no law against playing a harmonica. Would you do these things in a theatre, because you have a right to? This Ideology of "entitlement" is the reason why our country has so many laws in the first place. If we can't govern our own behavior, the government will make laws to govern it for us.[/B]

Debate this... I dare you!

To my friend, Randy C... as far as the movie theater goes, agreed. But your bolded statement of "It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable" sounds like you're being more general. And I don't agree with this statement at all, in general. This world is made up of very many diverse people with a variety of beliefs about love, morals, faith, religion, atheism, what is wrong and right, etc. The key is Tolerance and Live and Let Live... not "conform what you are doing to make me and my family comfortable." It is impossible to please everyone, and we (each of us) shouldn't have to live like that.

Again, not talking about blowing billowing clouds of vapor at your kids' faces.. or anyone's... and certainly not in a movie theater. But the bridge between ignorance and forward progress is education... not refraining from making anyone uncomfortable. In fact it is impossible to not make others uncomfortable and also evolve as a society. Change = people being uncomfortable.

 

[WCSR]

This debate isn't about whether vaping is a health risk or not, or if vaping is harmless or not. It's also not about whether or not we have the right to vape where we want. It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.

Just say it... Some of you feel vaping in a theatre is acceptable because there is no law against it, and that you don't care if others feel threatened or violated- because it's within your rights; that you're entitled to do this- period! I say to you- Grow up!

I have a family, and I wouldn't want my wife or kids to feel threatened or violated in any way. Most Americans, thanks to our liberal leadership and media, have been told that we're vaping anti-freeze. Most people don't know anything about vaping! Now... seat them next to a vapor blowing clouds of "something" into the very air that they are breathing. They might feel uncomfortable or violated!

There are lots of things that aren't illegal to do in a movie theatre... There are no laws against singing in a theatre, no law against screaming at the top of your lungs, no law against playing a harmonica. Would you do these things in a theatre, because you have a right to? This Ideology of "entitlement" is the reason why our country has so many laws in the first place. If we can't govern our own behavior, the government will make laws to govern it for us.[/B]

Debate this... I dare you!

While I can see what you're saying, and I can agree for the most part.

Other people do things that make me feel uncomfortable, threatened, offended, and even violated on a regular basis. The difference between myself and a lot of other people, is that I don't throw a fit about it or lobby against it.

The problem is that we now live in a society full of whiners that have been coddled their entire life, and expect the government and society to coddle them as well. Having respect for people and their space is one thing, having to coddle them is another.

 

[Randy C]

While I can see what you're saying, and I can agree for the most part.

Other people do things that make me feel uncomfortable, threatened, offended, and even violated on a regular basis. The difference between myself and a lot of other people, is that I don't throw a fit about it or lobby against it. You are truly a minority these days!

The problem is that we now live in a society full of whiners that have been coddled their entire life, and expect the government and society to coddle them as well. Having respect for people and their space is one thing, having to coddle them is another.I couldn't agree more

Thanks for presenting your argument in a respectful way. I guess the important word that I left out was:
It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us purposely feel uncomfortable. We may slightly disagree on the subject, but our values are very similar!

 

[WCSR]

Thanks for presenting your argument in a respectful way. I guess the important word that I left out was:
It is simply about: Do we have the right to make others around us purposely feel uncomfortable. We may slightly disagree on the subject, but our values are very similar!

Indeed. Vaping huge clouds in an unsuitable area is uncalled for could cause us problems in the long run.


Now here's a positive side of it....

When I smoked, I had no shortage of people telling me how bad it was for me, and that I should quit. Just irritating enough to make me want to put my cigarette out in their eyeball and tell them "thanks for the advice. I feel better now".

Since I've been vaping, I have had no one preach to me about it....ever. Instead, I have actually had people ask me "What flavor is that?" or say "That smells good" or "Do those really work?" or "Where can I get my husband/wife one of those".

That tells me that there is, in general, a much more positive attitude about vaping than there was smoking....for now. Hopefully, we can keep it that way, and the best way to do that is to do it respectfully, and not flaunt it because there's not a "no vaping" or "no electronic cigarettes" sign in the area. "Know your audience", and adjust your flavor and method accordingly. Even go so far to ask the people around you if they mind that you use it. It goes a long way to enforcing the positivity and the more respectful attitude of the vaper....exactly the opposite of a "typical smoker". People are much more open when they feel that they are being taken into consideration.

 

[Randy C]

To those of you in favor of vaping in a theater:

One can only hope that at your next movie, you get seated next to an extremely large biker dude who just ate dinner at the taco hut, a dude that purposely vents his flatulence (farts). My recommendation- Don't worry about it... it's only an inert gas; it will have no physical impact on you. He has the right to be "gassy" where ever he likes. Why should he worry about what you think? He should be able to pass wind wherever he wants.... It's a natural bodily function, so what's your problem?

A better example: One can only hope that you get seated next to someone with allergies. Coughing, sneezing, wheezing- all the while you're wondering if he has SARS, a cold, or the common flue. He could have easily stayed home; knowing that he'd disrupt others, but he just didn't care. Why should he worry about you feeling uncomfortable? Why should he care if you're afraid he'll give you his ailment? He knows that he's not contagious, so who cares what you think... Who cares if you feel uncomfortable?

There are inconsiderate ...... in this world. I won't stoop to their level and do something inconsiderate just because they do. You do whatever you like; I'll always try to do the right thing.

 

[Randy C]

First, let me start by saying that we most certainly do have the right to make others around us feel uncomfortable.

Wow! Did you really mean what you wrote?

 

[UntamedRose]

Dont be a Jerk.



There yall go, problem solved and as the thread has gone past that one rule......closing.


have a nice night yall