Tell him to get some nasal snuff.
There's nothing quite like that "Did you just? I can't believe you just...? In plain view of everyone!" look on people's faces for brightening an otherwise dull shopping excursion...
Vaping in Public
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Tell him to get some nasal snuff.
There's nothing quite like that "Did you just? I can't believe you just...? In plain view of everyone!" look on people's faces for brightening an otherwise dull shopping excursion...
Second hand vapor study? Which one? I have read of studies conducted by Dr. Farsalinos Constantinos which show no such thing. CASAA has a bunch of studies you may find interesting. Happy reading!
I absolutely agree with the part about getting the info out that it is different than smoking. My question to you is: If someone, despite the information you give, asks you to stop, would you?
Edit: And by stop I mean stop doing it in his/her presence obviously not for good.
I personalty don't think that there is any danger from second hand vape. Even though every study I read ends with something like "more research has to be done". I think MsxShades point is more about the smell and sensitivities to aromatics found in perfumes and our vapor. Hey, logically, if you can smell perfume, and it is accepted that people have reactions to it, and you can smell the flavor in vapor it's not a stretch to assume people can have reactions to that too.
And you could argue that the flavors are not dangerous. But that does not change the fact that your realty of knowing and not being affected by it, is not necessarily everybody else's reality as well.
Edit: I have to review my comma usage. English is not my native language.
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There are a few of us in my office who vape and we've been told "you're not allowed to do that inside". When questioning why, the funniest response is that "policy states the use of tobacco products is prohibited". OK...first off...it's not a tobacco product. Secondly, do you see how many people have a dip of snuff in their lip. Guess you're heading down a slippery slope when dealing with your place of business, so I don't really "rock the boat". On New Year's Eve I went out to a bar with my old college roommate and 25-33% of the people in the place were vaping...it was AWESOME!
Totally agree with you. However scent allergies are totally different from what the majority of people understand second hand vapor is. They associate it with the common term "second hand smoke" which supposedly harms those surrounding you as opposed to "affects" them.
BTW, your grammar is impeccable.
I am very sensitive to scented candles, incense and perfumes. I find that the scents in vapors do not have the same kind of irritating effects as those other scents. That said, if I have to vape anywhere where smoking would be deemed inappropriate, I stealth vape. I don't do that much either. I tend to think that vaping looks pretty uncool, not like smoking at all, so I don't like to be seen doing it much. That said, now that I have an epipe I feel more comfortable and cool using it.
For me.... I switched to get off of the analogs but I will not vape where people cannot smoke. I'm not out to draw attention to myself, just to be healthy.
I am allowed to vape at work, I had a covering boss before I started who was shouting from her office at me when I went out for a smoke that she could do it inside. I still don't. In my office, when I am actually there (outdoors job) there are three smokers who have to go out and 6 non smokers who may not appreciate it. However I do every now and again in the work car alone. I think it's people like the covering manager who shout and scream about it that can put it in a negative light. Plus going outside at a pub I have had more "oh wow do they really work" comments than "what the hell is that". Although I think vaping is getting more popular in the UK it doesn't seem as accepted as I. The US.
If I am in areas that are banned for smoking I vape without exhaling the vapor. There may be an occasional stream during the draw or if something happens while I do the second inhale that others have mentioned but for the most part no one can see or smell any vapor.
It may be so many years of the stigma and bans and such that drive me but it also to show others that this habit doesn't have to be intrusive to others. I know others are sensitive to perfumes and such and don't want to intrude. I have a coworker that can't stand it when someone eats a banana around her.
At work I vape inside but also go out to the smoking area to get my exhale on and spread the word about vaping.
I did notice a horrible smell the other day at work and thought my device malfunctioned or something and realized it was the dry erase marker someone was using. Never used to bother me when I smoked.
I am also happy that after only a month of vaping I can hold my breath that long without a problem.
It may be so many years of the stigma and bans and such that drive me but it also to show others that this habit doesn't have to be intrusive to others. I know others are sensitive to perfumes and such and don't want to intrude. I have a coworker that can't stand it when someone eats a banana around her.
At work I vape inside but also go out to the smoking area to get my exhale on and spread the word about vaping.
I did notice a horrible smell the other day at work and thought my device malfunctioned or something and realized it was the dry erase marker someone was using. Never used to bother me when I smoked.
I am also happy that after only a month of vaping I can hold my breath that long without a problem.
I have something of a personal checklist about vaping in public, some of them are silly and I jsut do them because it seems polite:
1. Am I in a confined are with a group of other people who dont, or probably dont vape? (think line at the bank or something like that)
2. Am I in the vegetable or fruit or baked goods or the "anything that someone is just going to pick up and eat" section of a grocery store?
3. Is this a professional public area? (Cubicle or conference room kind of deal)
If the answer to any of these is yes, I don't vape. Just seems impolite.
Where I will vape in public, where I traditionally wouldn't be able to smoke: restaurants and bars (at my table, with people who I know wont mid, blowing vapor towards the ground), non-fresh food stores (like Home Depot and stuff, but only if it's obviously not a sardine-in-a-can situation), my office at work.
Vaping in public is a good thing IMO. It gives vaping exposure as an alternative to cigarettes. Vaping in public rudely, or like you're entitled to it is a big no for me.
You have to keep in mind, even if it's pretty much safe, even if it doesn't stink like cigarettes, it's still clouds of vapor floating around smelling like stuff. Gotta be polite about it.
1. Am I in a confined are with a group of other people who dont, or probably dont vape? (think line at the bank or something like that)
2. Am I in the vegetable or fruit or baked goods or the "anything that someone is just going to pick up and eat" section of a grocery store?
3. Is this a professional public area? (Cubicle or conference room kind of deal)
If the answer to any of these is yes, I don't vape. Just seems impolite.
Where I will vape in public, where I traditionally wouldn't be able to smoke: restaurants and bars (at my table, with people who I know wont mid, blowing vapor towards the ground), non-fresh food stores (like Home Depot and stuff, but only if it's obviously not a sardine-in-a-can situation), my office at work.
Vaping in public is a good thing IMO. It gives vaping exposure as an alternative to cigarettes. Vaping in public rudely, or like you're entitled to it is a big no for me.
You have to keep in mind, even if it's pretty much safe, even if it doesn't stink like cigarettes, it's still clouds of vapor floating around smelling like stuff. Gotta be polite about it.
If I was inside, in an area that this person was responsible for, yes. If I was in the large atrium of an office building, I may not, since I know I would in no way be invading this person's space, especially with the no-odor, minimal vapor I produce. I most likely would move away from the person just to diffuse any potential conflict. If I was outside, even close to a building entrance, I would smile and tell them to stop bothering me.
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I guess I don't get it. Everybody is "stealth vapors" I'm not saying when I fly to san Diego I'm not going to run to the bathrooms for a few power hits. But when it comes to places like Walmart and stuff is it really necessary to vape in there? I mean would you light up a smoke in there? That's why I almost didn't become a vapor! I run a retail store and people spend like 10 min. Max in my store and always felt it necessary to get a few vapes in. I mean seriously? My look is this....If you seriously would never light a cigarette when you want a vape you probably shouldn't vape either. And yes I would totally light up a smoke in an airport bathroom if they didn't stink so Dang much.
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Well, I've always condoned common sense when it comes to vaping in public. However, there are times when "stealth vaping" is necessary. One instance that stood out for me, was when I went to Six-Flags. upon entering the park, they check bags and pockets with metal detectors, so I had to bring out the Ecigs for them to see. They told me "I know those are E-cigs, but I will have to ask you to use them in designated smoking areas". Since I was a recent smoker, I knew where all THREE of them were. When I felt the need, I obeyed their rules, and walked to the nearest smoking area. The place smelled like an ashtray. While I was vaping, I was thinking "I switched to E-cigs to get away from this, and now they're telling me to go back to it??" To further add insult to injury, The whole area was sponsored by Blu E-cigs.. with the motto "smoke virtually Everywhere".
In most cases, I say don't vape in an enclosed public area. I also don't advise vaping near any eating areas. I do stealth vape once or twice to get me through a movie in a theatre, but for the most part, I don't blatantly vape in Wal-mart.
In most cases, I say don't vape in an enclosed public area. I also don't advise vaping near any eating areas. I do stealth vape once or twice to get me through a movie in a theatre, but for the most part, I don't blatantly vape in Wal-mart.
I vape anywhere I feel won't offend others. Typically out doors unless I'm at home. For me going about vaping the same as if I were smoking a cigarette is what helped me quit smoking.
You do understand how private property rights work, right?
They can ask you to leave if you aren't wearing a clown suit if they want to.
What you're going to do is make enemies of vapers, who think the sole purpose of vaping is to evade the smoking ban. People with votes, people who write green-ink letters to newspapers and politicians, people with friends with authority and influence.
I know you think we should act like vaping is the same as smoking. I think that is a self-defeating proposition. Respectful vaping in public places and using common sense is a better position, IMO. And as I stated in my comment, even though you intentionally removed it in your reply (ignorant cherry-picking by you), I would most likely move away from the person and diffuse any potential conflict.
Often when people quote other posts on the internet they only quote the part they're directly responding to. Hence the ellipsis. Are you new at this?
The implication of your post is that if someone who is responsible for the large atrium of an office building asked you to stop vaping, you'd move away from them and keep doing it. You think that's going to win people over to the cause? Seriously?
In what sense am I treating vaping like smoking, if I vape inside anywhere with the owner's permission, and where I'm not bothering anyone else?
Do you just mean I do it indoors where it is allowed, and not going to annoy people needlessly? Fine then, yes, I treat vaping exactly like smoking. Or rollerskating. Or painting on the walls, yodelling, Elvis impersonating...
The implication of your post is that if someone who is responsible for the large atrium of an office building asked you to stop vaping, you'd move away from them and keep doing it. You think that's going to win people over to the cause? Seriously?
In what sense am I treating vaping like smoking, if I vape inside anywhere with the owner's permission, and where I'm not bothering anyone else?
Do you just mean I do it indoors where it is allowed, and not going to annoy people needlessly? Fine then, yes, I treat vaping exactly like smoking. Or rollerskating. Or painting on the walls, yodelling, Elvis impersonating...
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I'm new to vaping, so my opinion probably does not mean much. I agree, a little common courtesy may go a long way to help re-education and awareness.
He is gonna ruin it for everyone with his militant vaping, eh?
Really? WV seems to have a pretty balanced approach here. You may disagree with him on some minor points, but hitting him with the "make enemies for vapers" blast? That's a pretty big stretch, GM.
They can't make you leave a supermarket, Wal-Mart, or Target for wearing a clown suit, either.
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