Looks to me like you have some serious research to do yet.
Vaping in Public
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Try doing some serious research, instead of playing with insults & propaganda.
Start here, it gives provides leads
Second-Hand Smoke: Smoke Screen? | PBS NewsHour | July 21, 1998 | PBS
Or here
FORCES International - Archive
Or here
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
There are tons more, links to studies, links to documents, .... see you in a few years.
Yeah, I don't understand it either. People are people & they find certain things offensive. As long as they don't get too out of line, & I don't have to change who/what I am to accommodate, I accommodate. But that's part of my character... I never try to force my whatevers on other people.
I look at it like cussing. There are some people you can say what you want, when you want around them. Others... not so much. I don't care what other people's hang ups are, if they don't want me vaping around them, I won't vape around them.
But... I'm in an office right now, my own. I don't share it with anyone. If I were told I can no longer vape when I want in my own office (I know it still belongs to the man), then I'll have a problem.
Whether the EPA judgement is fraudulent is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things.
You don't seem to grasp that there is a *monumental* pile of data supporting the link between passive smoking and cardiovascular disease / adverse events. The picture with cancer and low exposure is less clear, doubtless, but there's solid evidence that chronic exposure is a risk.
You can't just pick a couple of studies that come up blank and say "These are the correct ones". All studies have uncertainty - that's what p-values are for.
I'm not going to read the Rampant Antismoking wall of text (actually kind of reminds me of Timecube, and that says something).
If you can't provide links to studies then *you have no evidence*. You might as well be claiming you're the Queen of Jupiter.
Not in the least.
Only that the dangers and effects have been greatly exaggerated.
If it were as bad as the ANTZ claim, humans would have been extinct in 1954...
No angry reply here, but any vaper worth his/her salt can easily vape anywhere and not get noticed. The problem is that some people are looking for that attention.
Some people will purposelessly let out a cloud in front of a no smoking sign because they want to show off there new toy and want to explain that its not smoke etc.
With a little common sense you will know where, when and why not. Almost 3yrs. of vaping and never had any such complaints. You know your always going to run into that holy-er than thou person that's ...... at the world. You just have to act accordingly and not push the issue.
Getting pulled over for vaping or even smoking a cig ,in your own car , is just plane bull
Being considerate doesn't just apply to vaping. The company I work for recognizes vaping as a potential "stop smoking tool" and actually reimbursed my purchase as part of their "Healthy living" program. But I have been told that I still have to take it outside and can't use it in the office. They helped me out and I will comply. Maybe I am a bit of an old fart - but common courtesy should never go out of style in my opinion. (HA - just had to add "vaping" to the dictionary so it wouldn't keep getting underlines as a misspelled word!)
My devices sit out in a holder all day on my work bench at work and that's where they stay all day long. I have a series of small quiet DC fans at my bench because I solder from time to time, I turn on the fans when I vape and I exhale towards the fans, which dissipates the vapor instantly. My flavors don't have strong smells and I don't make clouds so no one has ever complained nor even noticed.
My coworkers know I vape and I took time to educate them about what it is etc so that there is no confusion etc. I just don't do it in front of my boss or any of the other higher ups.
Other public places I limit myself unless I know it's OK. Restaurants are a no in my book because of food being around and generally younger people, but if its later at night and more of a drinking crowd, I'll stealth a bit. Movies, stores are a no in my book as well because I don't believe those are appropriate places for vaping. Enjoy your movie or get your shopping done, you can vape later.
My friends are all OK when I vape at their houses. Some of them vape, some smoke, so don't do either. But again, I'm considerate, no clouds. And my number one rule, never in front of their kids.
My coworkers know I vape and I took time to educate them about what it is etc so that there is no confusion etc. I just don't do it in front of my boss or any of the other higher ups.
Other public places I limit myself unless I know it's OK. Restaurants are a no in my book because of food being around and generally younger people, but if its later at night and more of a drinking crowd, I'll stealth a bit. Movies, stores are a no in my book as well because I don't believe those are appropriate places for vaping. Enjoy your movie or get your shopping done, you can vape later.
My friends are all OK when I vape at their houses. Some of them vape, some smoke, so don't do either. But again, I'm considerate, no clouds. And my number one rule, never in front of their kids.
Im doing a masters at the moment, I used to be on 15 to 20 regular cigarettes a day. I use my eroll around campus and around the city. Yes people look at me, but to be perfectly honest, as long as im not inhaling tar, and the other 2000 chemicals in a cigarettes im happy and I could not care less what bystanders think
First link: A interview on television, showcasing two different opinions. Doesn't prove anything.
Second link: A judgement that states that "EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research had begun". I admit, stupid, but does not invalidate the research, ergo proves nothing.
Third link: The opinion of some guy taken from his book. Doesn't prove anything.
Is that all you got?
Edit: I'm sorry if I offended you in my previous statement. Was not my intention. I just stated my opinion about an issue without referring to anyone in particular.
OK, I admit I’m getting a little tired of this “effects of SH smoking” thing. I’m as guilty as everyone else for participating and keeping this discussion going. Especially since this is a very emotionally charged topic, it’s easy to get nasty and offend people who have a different opinion.
I know that I won’t convince anyone who does not want to be convinced, just as much as no one can convince me that chronic exposure to SH smoke is not an extreme health risk. I even respect your opinion. I don’t agree, but I can truly say that you can believe whatever you want, and it’s OK with me.
I started this thread to get opinions about how people handle vaping in public, and how they react when they are asked to stop. Thanks to the participants who didn’t get sucked into the SH smoking sideshow, and I would really like to bring the discussion back on topic.
I know that I won’t convince anyone who does not want to be convinced, just as much as no one can convince me that chronic exposure to SH smoke is not an extreme health risk. I even respect your opinion. I don’t agree, but I can truly say that you can believe whatever you want, and it’s OK with me.
I started this thread to get opinions about how people handle vaping in public, and how they react when they are asked to stop. Thanks to the participants who didn’t get sucked into the SH smoking sideshow, and I would really like to bring the discussion back on topic.
"I don't like it" is not a good reason to make something illegal. Why? Because I don't like it when people do that. So, if someone thinks it's a good reason, I win!
"I don't like it" is not a good reason to make something illegal. Why? Because I don't like it when people do that. So, if someone thinks it's a good reason, I win!
I agree that there is no reason to make something illegal just because someone doesn't like it. But should we do something just because it is not prohibited? If something I do bothers someone else, I usually take a good hard look at what I'm doing and why. In case of vaping I came to the conclusion that it's better to do it in a way that's OK with everyone.
Your choice is a valid one. It makes sense, and is well thought out. No doubt it suits you and I respect your choice.
I vape in many places that are 'gray areas' (not prohibited, not expressly allowed). I still use basic judgement, not in a crowd, not in a professional setting, etc.
It starts a few conversations, and I like talking about vaping to people who approach me. I have converted quite a few smokers this way. It suits my personality, and I am unlikely to change.
But neither of our methods are any better than the other's. They are just our ways.
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