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Vaping is way to complicated!
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When I first started vaping, things were a bit easier as there weren't too many choices. My first e-cig was a 510 manual battery with an atomizer and empty cartridges. I bought some Chinese e-liquids to go with it. At the time, the only big battery mod I remember was the always sold out Screwdriver. There may have been a couple of others, but if I'm correct, that was the first one.
I was lucky enough to be able to learn things while the technology developed. However, I stopped keeping up with the technology changes and then returned and the landscape had entirely changed. I was extremely frustrated with my first RBA, for example, and it was a pretty steep learning curve from punching cartos to buying a blow torch and oxidizing wicks, wrapping coils, and checking for hot spots. That took time.
And I can see how frustrated someone could be nowadays with all of the choices there are to accomplish an effect that they get now by simply lighting a cigarette. Not only are there a plethora of different devices, mods to those devices, e-liquids, but there is an entire jargon that has developed to explain all of it. It's easy enough to understand, especially for those that don't have the time or believe they don't have capacity to learn this stuff, why they would be reluctant or completely unconvinced that they can switch.
All of the people that I have helped switch were all very grateful that they had someone knowledgeable to guide them through this sea of choices. I've even had stubborn co-workers and friends that wouldn't listen to me. I'd tell them that they'd be more apt to succeed in switching if they pony up and purchase a nice device. They were reluctant, because it's a lot of money. Then they'd flip flop between their Egos and cigarettes. Eventually, they'd make the choice to switch back to cigarettes or get a nice device. All of the ones that I know that have bought nice devices have basically stated, "I have committed to being a vaper." And all of those successfully made the switch.
I was lucky enough to be able to learn things while the technology developed. However, I stopped keeping up with the technology changes and then returned and the landscape had entirely changed. I was extremely frustrated with my first RBA, for example, and it was a pretty steep learning curve from punching cartos to buying a blow torch and oxidizing wicks, wrapping coils, and checking for hot spots. That took time.
And I can see how frustrated someone could be nowadays with all of the choices there are to accomplish an effect that they get now by simply lighting a cigarette. Not only are there a plethora of different devices, mods to those devices, e-liquids, but there is an entire jargon that has developed to explain all of it. It's easy enough to understand, especially for those that don't have the time or believe they don't have capacity to learn this stuff, why they would be reluctant or completely unconvinced that they can switch.
All of the people that I have helped switch were all very grateful that they had someone knowledgeable to guide them through this sea of choices. I've even had stubborn co-workers and friends that wouldn't listen to me. I'd tell them that they'd be more apt to succeed in switching if they pony up and purchase a nice device. They were reluctant, because it's a lot of money. Then they'd flip flop between their Egos and cigarettes. Eventually, they'd make the choice to switch back to cigarettes or get a nice device. All of the ones that I know that have bought nice devices have basically stated, "I have committed to being a vaper." And all of those successfully made the switch.
I was so confused at the start. Frankly i think people who dont make the effort to understand all this lingo dont deserve e-cigs. If they truly want to quit smoking they will make the effort. I work in a local cornershop and we sell e-cigs. If anyone takes an interest i make sure they understand all the info. Even go as far as giving them a mobile number. If they truly want to quit they will find a way,
I found the process quite rewarding. Going from knowing nothing at all, spending a couple of days doing research, then finding confidence growing. It's really a low-threshold thing to learn, to be perfectly blunt. Those who struggle the most are those looking for the ultimate perfect setup. Which they will never find until they try stuff and figure what they don't want.
It's a lot about attitude. "I don't know nothing about this and will never understand because I'm stupid and don't know .... about Ohs law". OR "I don't know nothing about this and don't currently understand because I've never heard about it before". I enjoy being a newb at things.
It's a lot about attitude. "I don't know nothing about this and will never understand because I'm stupid and don't know .... about Ohs law". OR "I don't know nothing about this and don't currently understand because I've never heard about it before". I enjoy being a newb at things.
When my doctor mentioned vaping to me, I spent a couple of weeks on ECF reading everything that I could. I didn't want to waste time with cheap inferior equipment that I would have to replace later. After upgrading a few times, I found myself wishing that there had been a relatively simple flow chart for newbies and equipment.
The first decision box I'd put on the chart is "Do you want to spend x amount of time every day refilling cartridges or cartos?" That would have steered me to tanks and liquid feed gear. The next question would be "Do you want your mod to look like a box or a flashlight?" That would have made my search so much easier.
The first decision box I'd put on the chart is "Do you want to spend x amount of time every day refilling cartridges or cartos?" That would have steered me to tanks and liquid feed gear. The next question would be "Do you want your mod to look like a box or a flashlight?" That would have made my search so much easier.
I like learning about all this stuff but I can see where it might get over-whelming to some. That's also the beauty of being able to use an ego battery and a clearomizer if you choose. Charge battery...fill with juice. It's only when you are really getting into APV's where you have to worry about all the other stuff.
It is intimidating to some older people who have the perception they cannot learn anything new about technology. It does require a willingness to learn.
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BigEd781:9945805 said:
Thank you! I am getting more comfortable with my equipment and the terminology now, but a gripe of mine is the lack of information from many manufacturers/ vendors. I have received only one piece of equipment that came with *any* type of instructions.... literally NO info with all of the hundreds of dollars of merchandise ordered. One should not need to resort to Google searches, ECF searches, and YouTube searches in order to use something you've just gotten in the mail. Granted, some vendors have info on their sites (and I try to buy from them, as an appreciation).... but still....
I'll go ahead and say this...people may hate it...but it's the historical truth.
My mother (in her late 70's at the time) switched to e-cigs. She did great. However, she was not fond of cartos after an unfortunate "carto burning episode", and they didn't have tanks at the time (or ...not common at the time). And...the little "carts" with the atomizers don't work worth crap. PTB...too "fiddly".
OK, so basically she dripped. Simplest thing in the world. And she vaped unflavored. So it was easy. 3 drops. vape some. 3 drops. She understood it. Got good at it. Didn't have any "mechanical" issues. On the rare flooding...she just blew it out into a tissue or napkin. Didn't even have to worry about the flavors-thing. She used a simple fixed-voltage eGo and an atomizer with drip tip. Small bottle of juice.
She eventually quit vaping too. Good for mom.
The point is, like others have said above, you can make it as easy or as complicated as you wish. It can be super-simple.
buzzzlove:9951705 said:
I agree with your point that there are setups that are easy for newbies to use, but that isn't necessarily common knowledge to the newbies. Personally I ended up ordering some Twists and T3s, which was indeed easy to use. However choosing that setup took lots of reading and research. At times it did feel overwhelming. I think this can be due to a combo of the number of options out there, and at times, well-intentioned suggestions to go with more complex setups.... that said I LOVE this forum! It's the reason that I have been able to buy a handful of different setups with no buyer's remorse, and no bad equipment.
It is a good thing to help people understand, but stating that those who don't make an effort to learn the lingo don't deserve ecigs is IMHO going against the fundamental reason for ecigs, which is to save lives by getting off tobacco cigs. Myself, I love to learn new things but for some they just want the simplicity of screwing on a carto and puffing away. If they don't understand, or even care to understand what Ohms law is or the difference between a cartomizer, clearomizer or tank that is perfectly fine, just as long as they find something that works for them. If that something is cig-a-like that is fine. Just making the switch is all that matters when it comes down to it.
I wish I had a person to talk to that could listen to what I was asking when I started. I am a smart person so I can and did learn. I just wanted a nicotine delivery system, not a new hobby or something to learn a bunch of information I would find useless. In the face of all the learning, many times I thought "I could just walk down the road and get a pack of smokes and be back here in less than ten minutes". This is key to why I agree it's too complicated even though I'm capable of learning anything. Instead I invested far more hours than most people have the patience for.
There is a head shop about 40 minutes drive from me that has 2 people that could have helped me, but I didn't know those types of stores were the only ones around here that had anything beyond disposables or lousy cigalikes. Many people don't want to have anything to do with those stores I haven't had use for them in about 10 years. Major roadblock to learning.
If I had the money and time to invest, I'd open a vape shop here just so others wouldn't go through what I went through, lol.
If you're a ham operator, there isn't a vape out there you should ever feel intimidated by
Yes, but im intimidated by my HAM radio as well. I think once the newness wears off it wont be so bad. I have a bad habit of reading way to much into things, which usually makes uncomplicated things more complicated than they really are. The more I learn I think the easier it will get, just like with most things. A lot of new stuff can appear complicated until you try it yourself and learn otherwise. I'll get there eventually.
Cheers!
I don't think vaping is all that complicated. As long as I don't get into the rebuilding, rewicking, recoiling. I think it's a high maintenance venture. I know people I would like to woo into the vaping world, but I just can't see them dealing with broken and cracked clearomizers, breaking down and cleaning their clearomizers, coping with leaking.
The New Members forum is getting very out there. The other night a new vaper who had been using a Blu for only 4 days was recommended an RDA, and another asked about a VV eGo and was told he should make a Puck mod.
As someone who found vaping less than 2 weeks ago, let me tell you that *this* sort of response is what could drive off a potential newbie in a hurry.
I think some of the best advice I got was to take a tiny step up from the cigalike (not strong enough, not pleasurable enough) to a simple Ego/Clearo setup. Not expensive, easy as heck to use and what I assume is a decent vape.
It can be as complicated, or not, as you want it to be... If all you want is nic with no frills you get a cig-a-like... If you feel more adventurous you move on... And, for good or ill, most of us move on...
yeah, it's complicated
but there's quite a bit of stuff out there, and you can pretty much go at your own pace,,,,,,,
I've seen people get into the complicated stuff right off the bat,,,,,,,
I've seen people start with the Egos and 2 months later be in the complicated stuff,,,,,,,,
and I've seen people go much slower,,,,,,,,a cig a like,,,,,,,,an ego,,,,,,,,,,,an ego twist,,,,,,,,and a year later, MAYBE a simple mod
hey wait,,,,,that's me
anyway,,,,,,,,there's no reason you HAVE TO jump right into complicated,,,,,,,,,
but there's quite a bit of stuff out there, and you can pretty much go at your own pace,,,,,,,
I've seen people get into the complicated stuff right off the bat,,,,,,,
I've seen people start with the Egos and 2 months later be in the complicated stuff,,,,,,,,
and I've seen people go much slower,,,,,,,,a cig a like,,,,,,,,an ego,,,,,,,,,,,an ego twist,,,,,,,,and a year later, MAYBE a simple mod
hey wait,,,,,that's me
anyway,,,,,,,,there's no reason you HAVE TO jump right into complicated,,,,,,,,,
Its complicated at first...It gets easier to understand...as long as you stay outta the classys
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