My, you are argumentative.
"The lady does protest too much, methinks."
As I wrote above, welcome to the "miracle" stage.
Vaping...More harm then good? For me yes...Im done!!!!!!
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My, you are argumentative.
"The lady does protest too much, methinks."
As I wrote above, welcome to the "miracle" stage.
As a healthcare professsional I just want to add that although you are absolutley correct this is harm REDUCTTION not elimination..... the symptoms I have read are likely directly related to hypertension (high blood pressure) or intolerance to other things in the juice (PG/VG food flavs not to mention PGA and possibly capsacin) The excessive mucus was likely due to quitting your lungs will expel all that it could not due to smoking analogs. However with that being said quiting for those reasons is good as well as quiting all together for no reason. Just because someone chooses to quit vaping is not an afront to others you all need to get thicker skin if you were offended by the fact that people stop vaping. Did it upset people when others successfully quit smoking analogs?
Yvilla, I have tried to be respectful of your opinion and I would appreciate the same basic courtesy in return.
Failing that, you could drop the deliberately obtuse and mocking angle and tone. Warming flavors to create a vapor creates its own hazards. Please refer to the diacetyl/brochiolitis obliterans link in my signature. See also hexanedione and pentanedione as examples of food flavors which cause documented neurological damage when inhaled.
Many flavorings have only been used in juice for less than a few years. They are unproven to be "safe" by any measure. And your deliberate ignorance of their existence and potential for harm is puzzling.
Failing that, you could drop the deliberately obtuse and mocking angle and tone. Warming flavors to create a vapor creates its own hazards. Please refer to the diacetyl/brochiolitis obliterans link in my signature. See also hexanedione and pentanedione as examples of food flavors which cause documented neurological damage when inhaled.
Many flavorings have only been used in juice for less than a few years. They are unproven to be "safe" by any measure. And your deliberate ignorance of their existence and potential for harm is puzzling.
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LOL. "Miracle" stage at 2 1/2 years?
And Aron chewed before trying vaping. You think he was wasn't getting nicotine from chew?
No doubt he was getting nictoine from chewing. If he switched to vaping, then he was also getting nicotine from vaping. In other words, no drug-specific withdrawal symptoms apply in his case. The relevant point being that the purported tobacco smoke inhalation side effects also cannot be applied in his case, nor in mine, though I was also using a nicotine substitute (sublingual nicotine tablets) the last few years, though fully smoke free for 12 years.
Which leads inevitably to the conclusion that the congested lungs, swollen throat, constricted breathing, eyelid twitching, shortness of breath (in his case), indigestion, tightness and chest pains are all vape specific.
I've started vaping again and some of those symptoms have already returned. To confirm whether they are or are not "allergy" induced, I'm going to try VG. Though I won't be holding my breath, (literally also I expect).
The point I was making had nothing at all to do with smoke inhalation side effects.
It was, and is, that many "symptoms" people who recently started vaping have, and have posted wondering about for years here, are indeed known and well documented symptoms of nicotine withdrawal. Whether nicotine withdrawal is the reason for the "symptom" being posted about in any specific given instance I certainly would not pretend to know. But the underlying fact and the probability that withdrawal may be the cause remains. And it is certainly helpful for people to know that, as you saw with Avanna's post yesterday.
What you are also missing is that in fact, there is a high likelihood that many of those switching to vaping (from smoking or from any other alternative from which they obtain their individualized level of needed nicotine), may well be getting less nicotine. There have also been lengthy discussions here over the years, as well as experts' estimates, resulting in the consensus that ecigs deliver much less nicotine than users, and especially new users, realize. Dr. Laugesen, for example, the first scientist to seriously study ecigs and vapor, starting in 2008, published his findings that puff per puff, ecigs deliver about 10% of the nicotine that cigarettes deliver.
None of this necessarily applies to your issues, and I never said it did. Nor does it even touch on the possibility that allergic reactions to pg or to certain flavor additives may affect certain people. But your individual experience, and your issues, certainly don't necessarily apply to all others either, nor is it appropriate for anyone to discount and deny factual information that others may want to know.
Lest you doubt that I have in fact been pointing this out to people all along, I'll quote a post I made well over two years ago:
That post was from here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tobacco-changing-ecigarette-35.html#post85012
And, from that same quit smoking site referred to above, the paragraph on chest tightness:
Chest Tightness
Chest tightness is normal, temporary and should not last for more than a few days. Aside from arising from the tension and stress associated with early withdrawal, it can be a component of normal dependency recovery blues (the emotional loss) or associated with the early cleansing, coughing and lung healing.
Note the "or" above - symptom not necessarily due to smoke inhalation effects/withdrawal (lung cleansing), but can also be plain old nicotine withdrawal.
That post was from here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tobacco-changing-ecigarette-35.html#post85012
And, from that same quit smoking site referred to above, the paragraph on chest tightness:
Chest Tightness
Chest tightness is normal, temporary and should not last for more than a few days. Aside from arising from the tension and stress associated with early withdrawal, it can be a component of normal dependency recovery blues (the emotional loss) or associated with the early cleansing, coughing and lung healing.
Note the "or" above - symptom not necessarily due to smoke inhalation effects/withdrawal (lung cleansing), but can also be plain old nicotine withdrawal.
I have had an experience that is much like yours. I was a rare smoker when I started to vape over 2 years ago. When something bad would happen, I would smoke. Sometimes it was one smoke in just a month, other times I would smoke for a year solid, and then quit for 6 months. At the time I got my vape though I was smoking maybe once a month at the most. I felt so guilty though when the kids would catch me. I didn't feel guilty about vaping. I vaped a lot at first, and then less, and then more with stress. I had issues from the get go though that I was in a bit of denial about.
I knew for me, my lungs where not in any kind of healing phase when I started to vap, the panting, lack of breath was new and from vaping. I got mouth sores and some tried to tell me it was from healing from analogs but I knew that was just not the case for me. Others told me I had an STD. I got to a Dr and made sure that was not the case! LOL I would stop vaping and things would magically get better. Course I would then go back trying to figure out if it was a flavor, an nic amount, or a PG or VG allergy. Nothing seemed to help. I got a eye twitch that went on and on, and then chest pains. I went to see my Dr. In short she found not cause other than my vaping. So I stopped. All of it went away. I went back to vaping a few times after, times of stress like deaths in the family. The last time was a trip across country last November. I got the same symptoms.... I have not vaped since.
So all this to say, I think more of us need to share out stories. I have not touched an analog since I got my first Vape. However vaping caused me some issues and so I let that go as well. I might pick it up again in times of stress, no guilt, but I will expect the side effects and I can't say I would put up with that for more than a few days. LOL
Your not alone!
Not to hijack the thread, but you may want to also post a link in your signature to what flavourart products contain diacetyl. They have eliminated this ingredient from many of the popular flavors that used to contain it. I applaud you for this, because you have educated many (including myself) to that risk and it did cause a change in the industry. There is nothing wrong with wanting to improve the safety of vaping.
I've been vaping more or less for over two years after 43 years of smoking. This weekend I had projectile vomiting and ......... I went over 40 years while I was smoking without throwing up and now this happens. It must be from vaping,,,,or reading this thread again. Not sure which, but I got sucked in and I couldn't resist posting. Please forgive me lord, I know what I do, but can't resist the temptation.
1. Vaping is not for everybody.
2. Not all flavoring is good and some flavors are not good for some people.
3. If you are a non-smoker, why are you even bothering?
4. If you haven't smoked for a really long time, why in the world would you start chain vaping?
5. On a related point and as a correlation, if I used to drink hard liquor but had a problem with it, then switched to wine for years with no issue and THEN found this new product beer (okay, I'm getting to the point) AND I decided to drink it morning, noon and night,,,,I need to take a breath,,,,,,,,and I developed unhealthy symptoms, is it because beer creates health issues or because I just may have overdid a good thing.
6. Finally, should I start a new thread about the projectile vomiting and ........ issue or does anyone here know if one exists?
I'm leaving now........
1. Vaping is not for everybody.
2. Not all flavoring is good and some flavors are not good for some people.
3. If you are a non-smoker, why are you even bothering?
4. If you haven't smoked for a really long time, why in the world would you start chain vaping?
5. On a related point and as a correlation, if I used to drink hard liquor but had a problem with it, then switched to wine for years with no issue and THEN found this new product beer (okay, I'm getting to the point) AND I decided to drink it morning, noon and night,,,,I need to take a breath,,,,,,,,and I developed unhealthy symptoms, is it because beer creates health issues or because I just may have overdid a good thing.
6. Finally, should I start a new thread about the projectile vomiting and ........ issue or does anyone here know if one exists?
I'm leaving now........
Oh, it's the vaping alright...40 years without throwing up? Has to be the vaping, I'd go to the local store and buy a pack immediately.
Sorry, you made me jump on the bandwagon.
No, they don't.
I'm getting a divorce. Is that a side effect? It only happened after I started vaping, so it could be related. My lemon tree died. That happened after I started vaping, too. So it doesn't just kill marriages, it kills citrus trees. I gained 10 lbs., too. After I started vaping, so it could be a side-effect. Or, I don't know, maybe it's stress eating. And maybe I'm getting a divorce because I married a tramp. And maybe my lemon tree died because it got a fungal infection. But maybe not. Maybe it's all related to vaping.
OK, you're right, any and all possible side effects. Because you just never know....
The one side effect I am sure was a side effect for me was quiting smoking after 43 years and a 2-3 pack a day habit. I probably didn't have any others because I didn't overdo the vaping, just hit it when I felt I needed the hand to mouth and basically found that over time, I needed that less and less. I now only vape if I feel like enjoying the taste of some liquid and barely use any nic. Can't say that any of the dozens of approved quit smoking methods I tried over the years had that kind of side effect.
It could very well be vape-specific, but not in the manner you're thinking. It could be a matter of HOW you are vaping. Let me explain and perhaps an expert or two on the subject could elaborate.
The cartridges are pre-loaded with a filler that is, in most opinions, less than optimal, causing the juice to "leak" through the mouthpiece. Digestion problems are being reported as nicotine is being swallowed into the stomach. Acid reflux, hollow feeling in the stomach, stomachaches, nausea, etc. Some of the liquid can also be passed into the lungs, not just the stomach, too.
So I think you could potentially add these explanations to the pile to explore:
1. Watch the nicotine intake as yvilla notes. This is very important. I can't say enough about how ignorant I was of this at first. How much you are intaking, how often and of what mg. strength. People may be overdosing and not even realizing it. Or, how little you may be intaking and thus, suffering from nicotine withdrawal. Know the symptoms of both; and
2. Watch the method you are using to vape. A wrong method or faulty device can put whatever is in the juice directly into the stomach and lungs from droplets getting through the mouthpiece via leakage.
I discovered this video that taught me how to utilize Lipton pyramid tea bags to make my own filler material and I can offer that I haven't reached for the TUMS since.
YouTube - Shredded Pyramid tea bag mod
This second video makes an important point that if using a regular tea bag, how to make sure to cut off the seam, which may contain GLUE. Another important point not to be missed.
YouTube - Teabag Refilling a 510
OK, I really do want this thread to die a painless death.....but...
This is a great observation, I never really thought about how the accidental liquid spills and leaks could increase the case of side effects from people making the switch. I know when I began vaping I was constantly leaking it all over and getting mouthfuls. It takes awhile to get vaping to go smoothly, especially when starting out with carts vs cartos.
This is a great observation, I never really thought about how the accidental liquid spills and leaks could increase the case of side effects from people making the switch. I know when I began vaping I was constantly leaking it all over and getting mouthfuls. It takes awhile to get vaping to go smoothly, especially when starting out with carts vs cartos.
I have been vaping for about a year now. I will forever be greatfull to ecigs for i have been analog free for 8 months because of using them. But, that was then, this is n
ThIn the last year, i have gone through FOUR inhalers, due to not being able to breath properly. I have never in my life needed one of those things until vaping. I am 37 years old! I was a 21 year, pack a day smoker. Looking back in hindsight, i felt much better when i was smoking analogs... let me explain:
Aside from the not being able to breath properly, i have experienced terrible muscle cramping, pain in my lower kidney area, as well as periodic hot flashes where my face feels like it is on fire! No, i havent gone to the doctor yet for the above. Now that i am done with vaping, im pretty sure these symptoms will subside. If not, i will definitely get checked out. Not to mention the added anxiety (mild panic attacks) vaping has brought me.
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Today my "new" journey begins...staying off analogs, and ecigs...wish me luck!!!!!!
Forgive me Opie, I am new here. I also haven't had the time to read all 28 pages.
I have just a few questions.
1 Did you every see a doctor?
2 Why post here with such a "loaded" thread title before seeing a doctor. You have potentially life threatening symptoms and your first thought is to post on a forum?
3 What do you think about E-cigs has possibly caused your health issues? The filler in the carts? The E liquid? Bacterial growth in your e-liquid?
Your post really did nothing to help "us" with "our" journey into e-cig land..It only created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia..You must have known that would be the result of your post. I am not saying you did it intentionally but in hindsight , do you see what I mean?
We are all taking a "leap" here into the unknown..but we are taking a much more riskier "leap" into the unknown smoking analogues imho.
I wrote a long post stating my views. Then, they said I wasn't logged in. Sorry about the wonderful speech the world will be losing on account of that...
I may still have the patience sometime and rewrite what I wrote already.
I may still have the patience sometime and rewrite what I wrote already.
Let's see if it works now...
I don't like the idea of taking leaps into the unknown. Taking leaps into the unknown is a pretty bad idea most of the times. Smoking analogs isn't taking a leap into the unknown, it's taking a leap into something that's very well known. Vaping shouldn't be taking a leap into the unknown either. And that's why they should be studied to the minimum detail, so they can become something that analogs never ever were and so they can be truly accepted and so our bodies can truly accept them too.
I'd like to add that many of us do have the occasional possible side-effects from vaping and that reducing taht to saying people are using too much or too little nic is just not fully honest. And neither is making an outcast of everyone who complains. When people complain, that may lead to something: it may lead to finding out safer vaping, even safe vaping, and it may lead to discover it was a false alarm. But it's pretty much the way science works and it's a positive thing. Denial has worse side-effects than vaping and even smoking. I know, I know, we're all fans here, but we should support each other at all times and also find out how to make our vaping experience better and better accepted.
Just my two cents worth. Sorry if someone doesn't agree.
I don't like the idea of taking leaps into the unknown. Taking leaps into the unknown is a pretty bad idea most of the times. Smoking analogs isn't taking a leap into the unknown, it's taking a leap into something that's very well known. Vaping shouldn't be taking a leap into the unknown either. And that's why they should be studied to the minimum detail, so they can become something that analogs never ever were and so they can be truly accepted and so our bodies can truly accept them too.
I'd like to add that many of us do have the occasional possible side-effects from vaping and that reducing taht to saying people are using too much or too little nic is just not fully honest. And neither is making an outcast of everyone who complains. When people complain, that may lead to something: it may lead to finding out safer vaping, even safe vaping, and it may lead to discover it was a false alarm. But it's pretty much the way science works and it's a positive thing. Denial has worse side-effects than vaping and even smoking. I know, I know, we're all fans here, but we should support each other at all times and also find out how to make our vaping experience better and better accepted.
Just my two cents worth. Sorry if someone doesn't agree.
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