Vaping myths: Believe or not believe? That is the question!

[ModGuyMike]

I know, I started this off with a Shakespeare line. I'm into theater (more of the tech side of things but still.) Anyways, I want to ask what the CRAZIEST myths about vaping you have under your belt. Even if they are not the CRAZIEST we still accept them as if the were just like all the others. Also, what really irks you about the myths?

Thoughts?

 

[Coolloser]

All mods are time bombs waiting to blow up. Diacetyl is the devil!

 

[stmtpr]

At a family gathering where there were several tobacco users and only a couple vapers, it was mentioned(guess who) that vaping was more hazardous that burning tobacco. I had to firmly hold myself back from spewing profanity and laughing.

 

[sawlight]

Even having all the ingredients needed sitting on the table in front of them that I just used to mix a juice, "I'm not going to try that! I have no idea what's in that stuff!"

 

[ModGuyMike]

Even having all the ingredients needed sitting on the table in front of them that I just used to mix a juice, "I'm not going to try that! I have no idea what's in that stuff!"

I have to say that this one made me laugh!

 

[ModGuyMike]

At a family gathering where there were several tobacco users and only a couple vapers, it was mentioned(guess who) that vaping was more hazardous that burning tobacco. I had to firmly hold myself back from spewing profanity and laughing.

This one bothers me a lot!!! I have a family member who told me this once when I was outside after a family lunch one holiday and I couldn't help but go off on her (in a controlled manner mind you) But, I explained (with a lot of passion of course) that this is no where near as bad as physically smoking something is. Gave a minor science lesson about combustion to her as well and was given silence in return.

 

[LadyVapentine]

Even having all the ingredients needed sitting on the table in front of them that I just used to mix a juice, "I'm not going to try that! I have no idea what's in that stuff!"

Wow. Just. Wow.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Well, a nurse was attempting to scare me regarding nicotine use in vaping. The whole of it came down nicotine constricting blood vessels. No more than a day later, I see four different independent studies disproving that via showing that it does not have discernible effect one way or another. Now, I tell folks to not to try using 18% nicotine like me because I'm a freak of nature that needs that much to survive.*chuckles* I honestly think you can use whatever level of nicotine suits you, if that is no nicotine, so it is.

What irks me about the myths the most is fear being used to attempt to define other people into conformity. It is akin in my eyes to the practitioners of Wahhabism coming up to an atheist and telling them to convert or die while they wield a sword in the atheist's face. You can replace that with Fundamentalist Christians, or any various staunchly holier than thou group. It irks me to a point that at times, despite being peaceful and trying to remain pacifist, I feel I could explode violently. That is not a pleasant feeling either. So, I use combat breathing and the gratitude meditation to let it go. It seems helpful.

So,yeah, there is what irks me, stupid people using fear stupidly in an attempt to convert other people to being stupid. It's a real cluster to say the least.

Edit: To clarify my perspective a bit. I view those unwilling to learn as stupid. Ignorance is cured by learning and to me easily forgiven. Stupid cannot be cured as it refuses learning. I at times my be ignorant. I may even be dense and thick as mud, but I do learn or try to learn. all the standard disclaimers apply, void where prohibited.

 

[LadyVapentine]

Well, a nurse was attempting to scare me regarding nicotine use in vaping. The whole of it came down nicotine constricting blood vessels. No more than a day later, I see four different independent studies disproving that via showing that it does not have discernible effect one way or another. Now, I tell folks to not to try using 18% nicotine like me because I'm a freak of nature that needs that much to survive.*chuckles* I honestly think you can use whatever level of nicotine suits you, if that is no nicotine, so it is.

What irks me about the myths the most is fear being used to attempt to define other people into conformity. It is akin in my eyes to the practitioners of Wahhabism coming up to an atheist and telling them to convert or die while they wield a sword in the atheist's face. You can replace that with Fundamentalist Christians, or any various staunchly holier than thou group. It irks me to a point that at times, despite being peaceful and trying to remain pacifist, I feel I could explode violently. That is not a pleasant feeling either. So, I use combat breathing and the gratitude meditation to let it go. It seems helpful.

So,yeah, there is what irks me, stupid people using fear stupidly in an attempt to convert other people to being stupid. It's a real cluster to say the least.

Edit: To clarify my perspective a bit. I view those unwilling to learn as stupid. Ignorance is cured by learning and to me easily forgiven. Stupid cannot be cured as it refuses learning. I at times my be ignorant. I may even be dense and thick as mud, but I do learn or try to learn. all the standard disclaimers apply, void where prohibited.

Thank you for this well-informed and passionate post! I'm curious now about combat breathing and Wahhabism. I try mindfulness meditation, but I do get fired up. It's my life, not anyone else's.

I also get fired up about the huge labels that BT puts on the side of e-cigs. Yes, there should be warning labels, but they've fought so hard to make the warning labels on cigs so much less specific.

I have type 1 diabetes and their e-cig packs specifically warn me about nicotine.

When I smoked cigarettes, there was no specific warning about how all the other chemicals can constrict blood vessels and literally poison me.

I could go on forever. This is a discussion that needs to happen.

The face of vaping is defined by big media. They don't talk about the grandmother who vapes, or the longtime young smoker who stopped by vaping. It's a circus. An evil circus.

 

[sawlight]

Another favorite of mine, "Oh, so you gave up one habit for another! Call it what you want, but it's still smoking, just in another form!"
More of those "hollier than thou" types that managed to quit with over the counter drugs.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Thank you for this well-informed and passionate post! I'm curious now about combat breathing and Wahhabism. I try mindfulness meditation, but I do get fired up. It's my life, not anyone else's.

Combat breathing is where you inhale through your nose for a count of three seconds. Then, hold your breath for a count of five seconds. Finally, you exhale slowly for count of seven seconds through your mouth and repeat the process. The gratitude mediation is starting at the letter A, list something starting with A you're grateful to have in life, keep going through alphabet. Get through once, try again listing three things for each letter. Mild caution this combined with combat breathing makes an excellent way to let you drift off to sleep.

Wahhabism from my understanding of it is a very extreme form of Islam that is combined with Nazism ideals, very jingoistic and violent. What I am led to comprehend from a few differing sources the British in the aftermath of WWII helped select Nazis soldiers / intel settle into Saudi Arabia to continue a fight against Zionism, or whatever laundry list that the dirty tricks brigade desired to be accomplished with what is considered stone killers. These are people contract to not be connected to you in any way, to achieve whatever your ends may be. Simply put it is paying the devil to trick the angels into doing evil for you. In this case there was a perversion and corruption of Islam, a truly peaceful religion.

Much the same could possibly be true of Fundamentalists Christianity. In my mind, religions are seen as opiates for the masses, yet also can be seen as weapons. If you've the inclination though, any idea may be made into a weapon, even the very idea that ideas may be made weapons. This is a very tangible and frighteningly real demonstration of what movies like Inception, Matrix trilogies attempt to show by means of fictional works. I tread lightly though in watching a lot of stuff that gets fit for a commercial market, usually there's motive behind stuff being dolled up and put out on the table.

Please take my words not as gospel. Read what I write with respect, then, go check stuff out for yourself. I can admit there is a lot of misinformation as well as disinformation in mainstream media, on the Web, on the Internet, directly in our lives. Misinformation may just be a fluke or error, someone misread something or formed a way to tell it wrong. Disinformation is when that is done deliberately, it is motivated and intended deception. Look for yourself, discover your own truth. I genuinely may may be in error. If so, I own up to it and apologize. I'll be more careful in being less gullible. I can only offer telling what I see, read, hear, think I know. Beyond that, go, go ... look it up and check it out. Think for yourself, make your own choices.

Here are some tools:

"I Keep Six Honest
Serving Men ..."

by RUDYARD KIPLING

I KEEP six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who.

I send them over land and sea,

I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,

I give them all a rest.
I let them rest from nine till five,

For I am busy then,
As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,

For they are hungry men.
But different folk have different views;

I know a person small—
She keeps ten million serving-men,
Who get no rest at all!
She sends 'em abroad on her own affairs,

From the second she opens her eyes—
One million Hows, two million Wheres,
And seven million Whys!

The Elephant's Child

---

Investigation Template

Find answers to six questions listed below. You'll
then be versed in the know.

1. What?

2. When?

3. Where?

4. Who?

5. Why?

6. How?

Consequently, this is exactly what investigative journalists, reporters are supposed to use as means of discovering a story for the public. They are also supposed to do as is suggested in _Elements of Style_ not inject their own opinions into writing. That becomes propaganda when it happens, injecting of opinion into a story that is.

There is always motive behind injecting opinion. Someone has a reason to do it, usually to create a benefit for themselves or others. When you look at politics, religion, human interactions always hold fast to "follow the money" and "who benefits?" These will let you start seeing connections between the dots more readily.

Excuse me, I ramble and presume too much. I will now not edit further. *chuckles*

 

[MyMagicMist]

Another favorite of mine, "Oh, so you gave up one habit for another! Call it what you want, but it's still smoking, just in another form!"
More of those "hollier than thou" types that managed to quit with over the counter drugs.

Yep and they can't see that their OTC dope is the same dreadful thing of which they accuse you "one habit for another". They won't see it either because they choose not to see it. To me that is stupid. You can't cure stupid. This is for the same reason/s "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink".

 

[LadyVapentine]

Combat breathing is where you inhale through your nose for a count of three seconds. Then, hold your breath for a count of five seconds. Finally, you exhale slowly for count of seven seconds through your mouth and repeat the process. The gratitude mediation is starting at the letter A, list something starting with A you're grateful to have in life, keep going through alphabet. Get through once, try again listing three things for each letter. Mild caution this combined with combat breathing makes an excellent way to let you drift off to sleep.

Wahhabism from my understanding of it is a very extreme form of Islam that is combined with Nazism ideals, very jingoistic and violent. What I am led to comprehend from a few differing sources the British in the aftermath of WWII helped select Nazis soldiers / intel settle into Saudi Arabia to continue a fight against Zionism, or whatever laundry list that the dirty tricks brigade desired to be accomplished with what is considered stone killers. These are people contract to not be connected to you in any way, to achieve whatever your ends may be. Simply put it is paying the devil to trick the angels into doing evil for you. In this case there was a perversion and corruption of Islam, a truly peaceful religion.

Much the same could possibly be true of Fundamentalists Christianity. In my mind, religions are seen as opiates for the masses, yet also can be seen as weapons. If you've the inclination though, any idea may be made into a weapon, even the very idea that ideas may be made weapons. This is a very tangible and frighteningly real demonstration of what movies like Inception, Matrix trilogies attempt to show by means of fictional works. I tread lightly though in watching a lot of stuff that gets fit for a commercial market, usually there's motive behind stuff being dolled up and put out on the table.

Please take my words not as gospel. Read what I write with respect, then, go check stuff out for yourself. I can admit there is a lot of misinformation as well as disinformation in mainstream media, on the Web, on the Internet, directly in our lives. Misinformation may just be a fluke or error, someone misread something or formed a way to tell it wrong. Disinformation is when that is done deliberately, it is motivated and intended deception. Look for yourself, discover your own truth. I genuinely may may be in error. If so, I own up to it and apologize. I'll be more careful in being less gullible. I can only offer telling what I see, read, hear, think I know. Beyond that, go, go ... look it up and check it out. Think for yourself, make your own choices.

Here are some tools:

"I Keep Six Honest
Serving Men ..."

by RUDYARD KIPLING

I KEEP six honest serving-men

(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who.

I send them over land and sea,

I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,

I give them all a rest.
I let them rest from nine till five,

For I am busy then,
As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,

For they are hungry men.
But different folk have different views;

I know a person small—
She keeps ten million serving-men,
Who get no rest at all!
She sends 'em abroad on her own affairs,

From the second she opens her eyes—
One million Hows, two million Wheres,
And seven million Whys!

The Elephant's Child

---

Investigation Template

Find answers to six questions listed below. You'll
then be versed in the know.

1. What?

2. When?

3. Where?

4. Who?

5. Why?

6. How?

Consequently, this is exactly what investigative journalists, reporters are supposed to use as means of discovering a story for the public. They are also supposed to do as is suggested in _Elements of Style_ not inject their own opinions into writing. That becomes propaganda when it happens, injecting of opinion into a story that is.

There is always motive behind injecting opinion. Someone has a reason to do it, usually to create a benefit for themselves or others. When you look at politics, religion, human interactions always hold fast to "follow the money" and "who benefits?" These will let you start seeing connections between the dots more readily.

Excuse me, I ramble and presume too much. I will now not edit further. *chuckles*

WOW! Thank you for this great amount of passion and information, which will no doubt send me into an Internet rabbit hole (with good results, likely). A lot of your points really resonate with me.

I'm actually going to try the combat breathing because I have a lot of anxiety problems, especially when I encounter the type of media you talk about. I read a lot of "news," especially related to vaping, and it's terrifying to know that opinionated bs can end up swaying the minds of people who don't choose to inform themselves further.

I loved the poems you shared. Thanks for fighting the good fight

 

[sonicbomb]

• Vaping is worse for you than smoking, I heard on the news a guy drowned on the e-liquid in his lungs
• Those things contain anti freeze
• Every time you vape, a unicorn dies

 

[LadyVapentine]

• Vaping is worse for you than smoking, I heard on the news a guy drowned on the e-liquid in his lungs
• Those things contain anti freeze
• Every time you vape, a unicorn dies

Ha! These are all pretty great.

Every time you vape, a unicorn actually comes back to life.

 

[ModGuyMike]

• Vaping is worse for you than smoking, I heard on the news a guy drowned on the e-liquid in his lungs
• Those things contain anti freeze
• Every time you vape, a unicorn dies

ANYTHING BUT THE UNICORNS!!!!!! And the Anti-freeze one is especially funny to me. People confuse chemicals all the time. Then, they don't even research the ones that are actually in the liquid. PG (Propylene Glycol) is not EG (Ethylene Glycol) one is deadly and the other is used in so much stuff its not even funny. I mean think about it, PG is in food and medication. If it's so bad then why is it in all of these other things????