Vaping superiority?

[somdcomputerguy]

I have around 1/2 a liter of 24 mg/ml pre mixed free base left. If I add some flavor(s) to it, it only brings the nic level down a couple or few mgs. I've found that I don't vape more of my flavored, slightly lower nic level, eliq than if I vape just the straight base. IMO, that's not enough of a decrease in nic anyway. I do have a liter of 100 mg/ml in my fridge. Maybe sooner or later I'll mix up a small 12 or 16 mg/ml batch and see if my vaping habits change because of that.

 

[Marper]

I'm pure freebase nic at 3mg flavoured, no nic salts, I started way back at 18mg but that would choke me now

 

[Marper]

Tried no nic and no it's not the same, maybe it is psychological

 

[CMD-Ky]

Tried no nic and no it's not the same, maybe it is psychological

It would be interesting if someone made two bottles one with and one without nicotine. And you didn't know which was which.

 

[Marper]

I know, I'm going to try it out on my son as he vapes 3mg nic and I make most of his juice, it will be an interesting experiment, he quit smoking over 12 months back after I got him his first vape

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Tried no nic and no it's not the same, maybe it is psychological

When I mix up a lower nic base, I think I'll not look at what I've labeled it so I don't know what nic level I'm vaping. I'm thinking there might be a small difference in taste between 12 mg/ml and 24 mg/ml unflavoreds, so I might have to make some highly flavored e-liqs so my mind is more concentrated on whatever flavor I use. In that case, I'd mix both the differing levels out of the 100 mg/ml, or if I use the 24 mg/ml that I still have, I'll make a batch from the 100 mg/ml even lower than 12 mg/ml.

 

[sonicbomb]

It would be interesting if someone made two bottles one with and one without nicotine. And you didn't know which was which.

Too easy, nic has a unique tingle on the throat and mouth

 

[Marper]

Need a recommendation on a deferent charger. I have a good charger from efest "LCD universal". The charger works just fine. The problem I have is the slide mechanism that slides to fit the different size batteries, in my case 18650, is so strong it is causing damage to the insulation on the positive end of the batteries when inserting removing the battery. I retire the battery if there is damage to the positive insulation and is getting expensive. The chargers I have looked at online seem to be built the same way.

Glad to read your positive experiences with this atomizer.

It's still on my "to buy list"... only used and cheaper.

With all this confusion around the world at this moment I prefer not to spend fortunes in gear and end up losing my job without notice.

Stay safe.

It would be interesting if someone made two bottles one with and one without nicotine. And you didn't know which was which.

Wow!
How tough do you have to be to use a wire tooth brush?

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Yeah, I want to try to keep what I got left

When I mix up a lower nic base, I think I'll not look at what I've labeled it so I don't know what nic level I'm vaping. I'm thinking there might be a small difference in taste between 12 mg/ml and 24 mg/ml unflavoreds, so I might have to make some highly flavored e-liqs so my mind is more concentrated on whatever flavor I use. In that case, I'd mix both the differing levels out of the 100 mg/ml, or if I use the 24 mg/ml that I still have, I'll make a batch from the 100 mg/ml even lower.

If some other quotes pop up with this message ignore them, I think the thing is you know what you have done, so in that way it would be psychological

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Thinking some more, if I add 15-20% of flavor to both mixes they'll both have an equal or close to each other at least drop in nic level..

 

[Marper]

My phone keeps saving the quotes from previous posts, I dont know why

 

[Territoo]

When I first switched from smoking to vaping, I was at 24mg/ml. I gradually lessened the amount of nic until I was at 0mg/ml. With no nic in the vape, I found I was losing interest in vaping altogether. I was actually smoke-free and vape-free for a few years. My downfall was a disposable vape pen at the checkout counter of a gas station that I bought on a whim. It had no nic but I really enjoyed it. The next day I went to a local vape store and bought a vape pen and some juice--with nic. Something to last me until I could place an online order.

 

[stols001]

From my experiments with quitting smoking and all drugs and alcohol and whatnot I and then going back slowly but surely to smoking, I am not sure your body ever "forgets" nic, either physiologically or psychologically. That one glass of wine and one cigarette I had at my father's second wedding (I desperately, desperately needed them after his wedding speech) well, they were not to be forgotten.

The cigarette the driver of the van let me have when I was transferred from a 6 week involuntary hospital to the state one but that ONE magical cigarette lasted for an eternity and were I a POW I would spend a lot of time thinking about it, I think. Because even though I still wasn't freed and I had to go to the state hospital and detox of 17 unnecessary medications I was smoking a cigarette. If he had said no, I might have died. LOL that cigarette takes up like 8 paragraphs in my autobiographical novel. I should post it on my blog, LOL because MAN it was amazing. I was talking about the hopelessness of editing to my little bro if you are going to spend that much time describing a cigarette, like you could smoke more than one while READING about it.

He just laughed and said: "It sounded like a cigarette worth talking about."

He gets it and he is a better quitter than me, but when I found tobacco I knew my brain had found its very best friend forever and nothing else mattered.

Addiction equals: the right drug meets the right brain For me it was smoking, I did not vape because I hated cigarettes. I loved them, And I do indeed love vaping. But, if I could smoke a single cigarette after dinner every night outside and watching the stars without health consequences (including losing taste buds+ and whatnot which I imagine I would, well, I would be there in a heartbeat. I an pretty sure I could maintain it with vaping until the day I COULDN'T.

If someone near and dear to me dies I will buy a full pack of black American Spirit tobacco and smoke the pack over time, and grieve them. Vaping has saved me a lot, and I don't consider myself a non smoker AT ALL. I am a (most of the time) very energetic and enthusiastic quitter,

But I have smoked before and am sure I will again. However the intervals go longer and longer, .Not sure if that's habit, practice or what, I will say not smoking over the job thing was impressive etc,

Anna

 

[Marper]

You know something stols001, I love how you manage to explain everything and yes I've had drug problems in the past but I'm now a granddad to 12 beautiful grandchildren, yes I started early haha

 

[Marper]

I'm 57

 

[Marper]

So please don't start smoking again

 

[dripster]

Nicotine is a toxin and I'm sure we are not supposed to be inhaling it.

You are sure YOU are not supposed to be inhaling it. Drinkable water becomes a toxin if you drink too much of it at once, and, despite carbon monoxide has long been thought to be VERY toxic when inhaled, more and more clear evidence has been being discovered to support that it helps to IMPROVE health if the dose is kept to within certain specific low dosage levels: http://rc.rcjournal.com/content/62/10/1333

Now, about the addictiveness of nicotine again. There exists compelling evidence to support that, when talking about inhaled nicotine as being a compound in tobacco smoke, self-administered nicotine uptake follows an inverse U-shape relationship as a function of the dosage level, which clearly suggests that if the dose is increased further above a certain level, the level of addictiveness starts to actually decline, from a reinforcement type of behavior to causing aversion. What addictive substance do you know exhibits the same type of relationship? Find that. This all leads me to believe that vaping freebase nicotine is not addictive until proven otherwise. Heck, even the addictiveness of protonated nicotine (nic salt) with benzoic acid is just a theory at this point. If scientific debate standards are going this route, then I might as well be claiming the only things that are addictive are the flagrant lies that surround nicotine.

 

[dripster]

Tried no nic and no it's not the same, maybe it is psychological

It's part psychology, part neurophysiology. Nicotine physically alters the brain's structure at the cellular level.

 

[Territoo]

There exists compelling evidence to support that, when talking about inhaled nicotine as being a compound in tobacco smoke, self-administered nicotine uptake follows an inverse U-shape relationship as a function of the dosage level, which clearly suggests that if the dose is increased further above a certain level, the level of addictiveness starts to actually decline, from a reinforcement type of behavior to causing aversion

Source??

 

[stols001]

You can rarely get enough nicotine into your body without drinking the stuff to bypass nic sickness into death. It can be done but you really have to work at it.

The same can be said to be true for alcohol; that is why fraternity rush parties and binge drinking are dangerous. The consequences of drinking too much usually result in an aversion, leading you your "U shape," which is what I tend to think is what you are talking about.

I don't think nicotine and the brain has been studied enough to make the kind of claims you do. As far as I know, there are actual nicotinic shaped receptors that sprout in the brain and the die off process is approximately 2 weeks which is why they say if you can cold turkey two weeks you are no longer "Technically" addicted (I think it may be the acetylcholine receptors that sort of "accept" nic and sprout but don't quote me on that, it's been a while) but the truth to the matter with minor alkaloids and smoking and etc, not to mention TAR being an anti-depressant in and of itself, forget it.

I don't demonize nicotine and I don't think it's particularly harmful as far as drugs go. Since the tobacco companies lack transparency in what they put in cigarettes however, I do demonize THEM and THAT. It's unconscionable.

I don't know what is making people die off from smoking younger and seem to smoke more than their very elderly counterparts, I noticed my smoking took off at a certain point when tobacco companies started increasing nicotine levels, so maybe dripster has SOMETING of a point-- less may be more where nic is concerned, I don't really know enough to like, really know that much. I will say that was my last tapering quit, and I did it on Nat Shermans so there were no additives and I was like 21 or something, and I managed for a while. Once I was under 6 a day it got a lot easier but I had to work kind of hard, and I didn't have much else happening,
Once I went back forget it.

Also, it could have been other additives we just don't know. But I would also like a source.

No plans to smoke me into an early grave quite yet, LOL.

Anna

 

[Jebbn]

It would be interesting if someone made two bottles one with and one without nicotine. And you didn't know which was which.

With unflavoured juice the nic has to be below 1.5mg or even less to not taste it, for me anyway. Unflavoured nic salts would have to be even lower because of the strong taste of it(to me)
Also, at the low mg's I vape, 2mg to 3mg mtl, I "feel" the nic vs no nic. I have nic free days every 10-12 days and once every 2months take 7-10days nic free.
For me nic has a presence even in low mgs and I could tell you which was which after several puffs.
I have cut all added sugar and any processed food from my diet and now drink only one coffee a day. There is nothing much in my system masking the feel and affect of the nicotine I use. The exception being one 330ml 4.6%alc beer at 5:30 every evening.
It was interesting to me that as I dropped my sugar consumption my nicotine consumption and dosage dropped along side it naturally. It took less and less nicotine to feel it and to feel satiated.

Some of that isnt relevant to what you were suggesting But Im home alone today and feeling chatty.