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Mine is marked SHIPPED! So I guess they do ship on weekends. My FT order page says last updated 5/16/15 5:32am. I am in U.S. central standard time. And it is 10:42am here so last updated doesn't mean the most recent time I checked.oh and get this..... The 50w silver is marked 'in stock' now. Just my luck! Thought about ordering anyway & sending 40w back. But never have returned to FT. Do you know if it is a pain in the ***??

Great! Glad it's shipped and thanks for confirming. That's great to hear they ship out on weekends - maybe they'll even ship my latest order tomorrow (doubt it though as it has some Next Day items which I imagine means next working day.)

Regarding returning, I only know what they state in their Money Back Guarantee:

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You may return undamaged items to us postmarked within 45 calendar days of delivery. If the return is not a result of our error, customers will be required to cover shipping cost both ways. Please make sure the item is returned in the original condition, with the original packaging and accessories.

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    • Volume/wholesale (signified by volume discounts), and customized orders are not covered by this offer.
So you've got to pay return postage - EDIT: and outward postage! - which hardly seems worth it on an item that cost $55. I wouldn't pay $20+ to ship back a mod that cost me $55. I'd ideally keep it as a second mod, or if need be I'd sell it (eBay, classifieds on a forum like this, FaceBook groups, etc )

You'd sell that mod for no problem - might even make a profit on it! :)
 
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I'm not sure about canceling a order that is now packaging. But yeah, it should ship soon after you see that.
'Phone Guy' you are so right about the day estimates. The 50 w had 7 days & this morning is listed as 'in stock' I know you mentioned that earlier in thread awhile back. I wish I would have remembered it when I ordered the 40w . Oh well, live & learn
 

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Great! Glad it's shipped and thanks for confirming. That's great to hear they ship out on weekends - maybe they'll even ship my latest order tomorrow (doubt it though as it has some Next Day items which I imagine means next working day.)
I also had another order placed for some small stuff I didn't think it would go out til next week at least. Says 'packaging' today. Will let you know if it ships later today or tomorrow. If it is then we will know for certain.
UPDATE: my second order just shipped! Time was 5/16/15 11:00:59 am. Awesome they do it on weekends!
 
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TheBloke,
You are a bad influence! I just bought the 60w flask from Fastech, a Goliath RTA, a Plume Veil RDA, and a Stingray x mech mod (last two aren't your fault!). I have batteries coming from Illumn with a charger, Nickel wire in 28 and 30g, a coil master, and other assorted bits.

I am very excited to try the flask with temp control as my ADV. Mech mod will stay home for now.

Thanks for all the info and updates. I can't wait to get it. Be a while as some stuff is not shipping until the 28th, but I can wait.

Thanks again mate,
Sean
 
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TheBloke,
You are a bad influence! I just bought the 60w flask from Fastech, a Goliath RTA, a Plume Veil RDA, and a Stingray x mech mod (last two aren't your fault!). I have batteries coming from Illumn with a charger, Nickel wire in 28 and 30g, a coil master, and other assorted bits.

I am very excited to try the flask with temp control as my ADV. Mech mod will stay home for now.

Thanks for all the info and updates. I can't wait to get it. Be a while as some stuff is not shipping until the 28th, but I can wait.

If I'm going to spiral down into bankruptcy, I'm damn well taking as many of you with me as I can :)

Good purchases! I'm excited about that Goliath now I've tried the genuine. Great tank, and the clone appears to be 0.98:1 - the only glitch is there's too little gap between the positive and negative posts, but a little bit of sanding fixes that. Did you read the discussion thread on FT? There's a thread there from AndyK, the guy who described the sanding, and he's also put up a video up showing the tank in more detail. He very nearly scuppered my purchase, because in his review he incorrectly said it was only top-filling, excluding one of the Goliath's best features - the accessible deck and juice ports. But thankfully he realised shortly afterwards and corrects that it in the thread, and shows it on his video. He's put in a ticket to FT to have the review changed so others don't get confused.

Let me know how the Plume Veil turns out. That's one that I've been thinking about getting for ages, but every time I start looking at it I can't decide if I should get 1.0, 1.1, 1.5, 2.0 or 2.47b, subsection D. So if I get a known-good report on whichever SKU you bought, that'll push me over the edge to buying it I'm sure!

And yeah the Flask I am of course very buzzed about - hopefully just a couple of days before I can gush about it in lurid detail here and on YT :) Well hopefully gush :) Certainly spam luridly!

Black or silver?
 
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Bloke,
I got it in black. I also ordered a Jwrap so I wasn't to concerned about the finish. I did not read the reviews, just went for it. I will review in a minute.

As for the Plume Veil, I got this one:
$11.20 Plume Veil Styled Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / black plated / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I have heard many favorable things about it in the RDA forum and price is right.

I have recently restarted vaping again and have stayed off analogs. I use an Istick 50 with and original Subtank as a daily driver along with an Aspire Sub Ohm CF and an Atlantis. Love the Subtank, hat the Atlantis, no flavor.

I also bought an Innokin Exthermal when I was at my local B&M. Fell in love with RDA's for when I come home and put my feet up. Got the Stingray X to go with the Plume Veil and got the ultimate kit for it from Fat Daddy Vapes.

I am hoping the flask can take the place of the Istick and if the Goliath doesn't work out I always have the Subtank (wicking the RBA sucks! Still haven't got that right yet).
 

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If I'm going to spiral down into bankruptcy, I'm damn well taking as many of you with me as I can :)

Good purchases! I'm excited about that Goliath now I've tried the genuine. Great tank, and the clone appears to be 0.98:1 - the only glitch is there's too little gap between the positive and negative posts, but a little bit of sanding fixes that. Did you read the discussion thread on FT? There's a thread there from AndyK, the guy who described the sanding, and he's also put up a video up showing the tank in more detail. He very nearly scuppered my purchase, because in his review he incorrectly said it was only top-filling, excluding one of the Goliath's best features - the accessible deck and juice ports. But thankfully he realised shortly afterwards and corrects that it in the thread, and shows it on his video. He's put in a ticket to FT to have the review changed so others don't get confused.

Let me know how the Plume Veil turns out. That's one that I've been thinking about getting for ages, but every time I start looking at it I can't decide if I should get 1.0, 1.1, 1.5, 2.0 or 2.47b, subsection D. So if I get a known-good report on whichever SKU you bought, that'll push me over the edge to buying it I'm sure!

And yeah the Flask I am of course very buzzed about - hopefully just a couple of days before I can gush about it in lurid detail here and on YT :) Well hopefully gush :) Certainly spam luridly!

Black or silver?

Regarding the Plume Veil, I recommend these:

$9.90 Plume Veil V1.5 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

$8.64 Plume Veil V2.5 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - 22mm diameter / stainless steel + brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I am a bit paranoid about paint, copper, brass, and carbon fiber anywhere on an atomizer, so I stick to stainless steel. The 1.5 has the extra top airflow holes which really work well. The 2.5 is good for those who prefer a wider dripping opening. Also, and this is only personal taste, these don't have all the garish logos. My first RDA was an all-copper Plume Veil with a SS base. I used it quite a bit until I started noticing that my cotton would turn green overnight wherever it touched the walls of the atty. I ended up getting the SS one and swapping the bases (I don't trust that "gold" plating either), so now I have an all SS Plume Veil.
 
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As @Croak suggested, I emailed Mr Given Lees of Geeco regarding the Nickel Purity. I heard back from him today, after a couple of days.

I asked him a somewhat technical question: does Nickel Purity modify the Coefficient of Resistance, such that we can use the feature to adjust for different wires with different coefficients, such as Titanium (coefficient 0.0035 versus nickel 0.006). This he answered, somewhat.

I also went on to ask the specific number used - eg is Nickel Purity 100 = a coefficient of 0.006? And if so, does 50 mean 0.003? This he did not answer at all, which was no great surprise.

Here is his response in full:

Sorry for my delay response , just coming back from HK for business meeting with clients for our new incredible specil temper control box.
I have browsed your questions, my answer as belows:

For the Market differentNickel Purity , Yes sure you can adjust the number 10-100 , for the high Nickel Purity adjust up to more than 70
For the low Nickel Purity adjust lower than 40, 20-40
Yes one point you are right, our this specil function adjust the number: 10-100 in order to change the chip specification and modisifed Coefficient of Resistance of the wire
Its very amazing , in fact the resistance decided by wire rolls . but our this chip sepcil fucntion can modisfeid it for working.
For market all the wire it can be used for our temper control function. But if really it not contain any nickle elements , of course it will not have the temperature control function.
If the wire contain the nickle elements no matter its Purity , it sure will working with the temper control
Titanium wire, and twisted wire with both Kanthal and Nickel it working for our box.

We developed this chip with sepcil function , the traget is let everybody can use our box mod to match with market different wire .

Here's my reading of this:
  • He specifically says that yes, it modifies Coefficient of Resistance.
  • But then he also says "But if really it [doesn't] contain any nickel elements of course it will not have [TC]. If the wire contain the nickel elements no matters its Purity, it .. will work with [TC]"
    • which is implying that no, it won't help with Titanium,
      • perhaps because in fact it doesn't modify the Coefficient, and he used that term incorrectly;
      • or perhaps because it does, but there's some other factors involved that make Titanium behave differently for temp sensing/prediction.
  • But then that is also contradicted: Titanium wire, and twisted wire with both Kanthal and Nickel [is] working for our box".
    • Which we know already, but we don't know if Nickel Purity helps with it.
    • Perhaps by mentioning it in this context he's saying yes, it is helped.
    • Or he might just have picked out the words Titanium and "twisted Kanthal/Nickel" from my email and simply be confirming it works in general on the mod, as we already know.

So really we're not all that much clearer. I'm not surprised, it was always quite optimistic hoping he'd be able to answer a pretty technical question through two barriers to communication: English to Chinese, and Tech to Salesman. I was hoping maybe he'd pass it on to Infinite or his own tech team, but that was also very optimistic.

It does sound promising that he specifically mentions Coefficient. But he might simply have copied and pasted that from my email - certainly he capitalised it exactly as I did :) He then negates and re-instates that optimism in each successive statement.

So all in all, nothing close to definitive, and it might be saying nothing whatsoever - he might not have understood my questions, and/or if he's not technical and hasn't asked anyone technical, he might just be telling us general specs which we already know.

But it's positive in that it's at least not negative :) He didn't say "no this has no effect with Ti", and he did specifically mention coefficient, even if there's a chance he just used the term because I did. So there's still every chance Nickel Purity will be of benefit.

Anyway was worth a shot, and we should hopefully know soon enough. I ordered several spools of Ti Grade 1, expedited shipping from Germany, which I hope will arrive at around the same time as my Flask next week, and I will be testing Ti with Nickel Purity as soon as I can.

I would say Mr Given is a salesman and not a technician.

Using Titanium on a DNA40 or Rayn board is not a big thing, because the temperature coefficient is not too different. It´s just a different temperature setting to keep it away from dry hits. But I don`t like and trust Titanium.

I´ve tried a different wire, that has a lower temperature coefficient, SS, which is very easy to build. Making a cotton test on an DNA40 or China40 will burn the cotton, but using it in regular usage I got no dry hits and you can see how the TC works. I don`t know why but it work better with thicker wires, with thiner wires i got dry hits. Instead of a fixed parameter for the temperature coefficient in the DNA40 and Yihi chipsets, an adjustable parameter ( Ni Purity ) could help to make SS setups better.

When the guy in the Greco video said that the box went into protection after a second and he couldn`t get some vape out ( purity set at 10 of 100 ), I thought the temperature coefficient must have been decreased a lot by the chipset.

I guess, I have to buy this box.


isn`t 2015 under the sign of regulated mods - damn expensive year
 

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Regarding the Plume Veil, I recommend these:

$9.90 Plume Veil V1.5 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

$8.64 Plume Veil V2.5 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - 22mm diameter / stainless steel + brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I am a bit paranoid about paint, copper, brass, and carbon fiber anywhere on an atomizer, so I stick to stainless steel. The 1.5 has the extra top airflow holes which really work well. The 2.5 is good for those who prefer a wider dripping opening. Also, and this is only personal taste, these don't have all the garish logos. My first RDA was an all-copper Plume Veil with a SS base. I used it quite a bit until I started noticing that my cotton would turn green overnight wherever it touched the walls of the atty. I ended up getting the SS one and swapping the bases (I don't trust that "gold" plating either), so now I have an all SS Plume Veil.

Trank27,

Took your advice and changed the order. Went with this:
$10.76 Mutation X V4 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel (black plated) / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

We'll see. For the money I will try a couple and see what works.

Thanks,
Sean
 

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Trank27,

Took your advice and changed the order. Went with this:
$10.76 Mutation X V4 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel (black plated) / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

We'll see. For the money I will try a couple and see what works.

Thanks,
Sean

Sure.

I've read good things about that Mutation X, good luck.
I have this one coming. Just landed yesterday, should be here Monday.

$10.79 Foggatti Styled Switch Blade Dripper - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Looking forward to building on that weird deck!.
 
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Sure.

I've read good things about that Mutation X, good luck.
I have this one coming. Just landed yesterday, should be here Monday.

$10.79 Foggatti Styled Switch Blade Dripper - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Looking forward to building on that weird deck!.

That one he ordered isn't a mutation x at all. Its a yep clone. I'm not sure why they call it that.

YEP001-3.jpg

^^^That is the authentic yep.
 
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Don't worry, whenever she starts raising hell, avoid eye contact, grab your phone, and send her this link:

Annual Costs of Cancer Care | Cancer Prevalence and Cost of Care Projections

She'll understand.

Take care, and enjoy the new toys.

We know those costs all too well, she is a breast cancer survivior, 7 years strong. We started vaping so we could bring up her chances of staying cancer free.

Unfortunately I moved to Dallas and we couldn't get a house for 8 months. She stayed vaping and I strayed.

All good now. She is a tootle puffer and content with what she has now, ego twists and protanks. I could not find my vape until I got an Atantis and a Sub Ohm CF.

Than I got a Subtank. Then an RDA, and so on....

I just want to find the right thing and have a little fun along the way. She is very supportive, just doesn't understand my affliction, must fixititus!

Thanks,
Sean
 
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We know those costs all too well, she is a breast cancer survivior, 7 years strong. We started vaping so we could bring up her chances of staying cancer free.

Unfortunately I moved to Dallas and we couldn't get a house for 8 months. She stayed vaping and I strayed.

All good now. She is a tootle puffer and content with what she has now, ego twists and protanks. I could not find my vape until I got an Atantis and a Sub Ohm CF.

Than I got a Subtank. Then an RDA, and so on....

I just want to find the right thing and have a little fun along the way. She is very supportive, just doesn't understand my affliction, must fixititus!

Thanks,
Sean
Congrats on her winning struggle!
I am coming back to vaping after a two year relapse. I started with the ego sticks, but having to buy coils every so often turned me off, so I went back to cigs. Now with the rebuildables that's another story. I've been having fun learning a lot in this forum. Have you tried the Aqua V2? great tank/dripper combo:

$22.68 Aqua V2 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
 

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Not yet. Based on TheBloke's post I went with the Goliath for now.

Temp control and the Goliath and Flask, Mutty or Veil with the Stingray X.

Yes, I know they are all clones. Affording the authentics is just not in the budget, never will be for me. Cost is too high for what I am using this stuff for and I just can't bring myself to pay for something I could make myself.

Clones cost so little I don't feel bad and I can always get another one. With the vape market changing in leaps and bounds, investing in this stuff just doesn't make sense now.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

Thanks,
Sean
 

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Not yet. Based on TheBloke's post I went with the Goliath for now.

Temp control and the Goliath and Flask, Mutty or Veil with the Stingray X.

Yes, I know they are all clones. Affording the authentics is just not in the budget, never will be for me. Cost is too high for what I am using this stuff for and I just can't bring myself to pay for something I could make myself.

Clones cost so little I don't feel bad and I can always get another one. With the vape market changing in leaps and bounds, investing in this stuff just doesn't make sense now.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

Thanks,
Sean
You should cancel the yep clone, and order real mutation x v4, they are pretty sweet. Its only $25-30 for the authentic on that one, and the real MXv4 is nicer than the yep RDA, or yep clone. Just my opinion.
 
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Thunder Dan,
Where do you buy them from? For that money I may look at it.

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Sean

VaporDNA had the project sub ohm edition which has their logo instead of the mutation x logo, with coupon I think it comes to $27:

Project Sub-Ohm Designed Mutation X V4 RDA by Indulgence

The regular indulgence mxv4 I got at a local b&m, but several online vendors have them now. Saw some cheap on eBay with free shipping. Selectvape has them for $25.99:
*NEW* Mutation X v4 RDA (Authentic) By: Indulgence

I have gotten stuff from them before they had a website through Instagram which had free shipping, not sure if their website does. (Looks like they still have free USPS first class shipping option).
 

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That's awesome you're off cigs and back on the vape, @seanol ! And yeah having some nice kit is definitely the best way to stay off in my view - the more cool features and things to play with and different things to try the better, I reckon. Makes it a whole more interesting process than just smoking.

It's funny you bought a Goliath based on my post. Because if you had seen any of about 10 posts I made before that, you would have got the Aqua v2 :) It's my all time favourite tank. I like the Goliath a lot, and the Lemo 2, and they both have advantages over the Aqua v2. But overall I think the v2 is still holding its place. And it will even more when I've completed a mod I'm doing on it which will allow a post-less deck - both of the posts of the v2 deck unscrew, so I'm working on a mod that will allow me to wire directly into the deck. That will make it more spacious, and allow long single coils straddling both air holes.

If it were me, I'd cancel enough RDAs to buy an Aqua v2 (the value one is fine.) But then I already know I love it, and I know I use RTAs far more often than RDAs, so it's hard to recommend that someone else cancels an RDA perhaps to get it.

Oh, but then again.. the Aqua v2 is ALSO an RDA! It has a separate top cap to put it in RDA mode. So it's an RTA with stainless steel tank, and PC (acrylic) tank, and an RDA with stainless top piece which provides more airflow than in RTA mode. Two products in one. And it hybrids onto certain mechanical mods - any that have M10 x 1mm threading. I don't know if that includes the mech you're ordering. When hybrid-ed, it looks pretty sweet - a mod and atty combined and no 510s in the way of the connection.

Just throwing that out there :)

Disclaimer: I've never used my Aqua v2s in RDA mode, so while I expect them to be pretty good as an RDA - and watched a video review once that was positive - I can't say from personal experience. Also, in RTA mode it's not super airy, so if you like really wide draws, lung hits etc, it might not be the RTA for you. On the flipside, the flavour is great, which is one of the several reasons I love it.
 
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